First Post Debate Poll!

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    Oct 04, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    The first post debate poll measuring voter preferences is out - and apparently Romney's extremely aggressive debate performance was a hit - with Republicans.
    Independent voters however - were turned off by Romney's rude behavior.

    Very interesting.
    This is the first post debate poll measuring who people intend to vote for.
    It doesn't measure who won the debate.

    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1140220/-Romney-gains-after-debate-with-Republicans-Obama-with-independents

    http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=12047

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    Oct 05, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
    I was amazed and impressed by Romney last night.

    None of us had ever seen this man before.

    His positions were reversed from everything he's been mumbling about for the past 2 years.

    He was comfortable, confident and LYING.

    LYING seemed to energize him.

    Republicans won't care. In fact they will support any lie necessary to fool the public.

    But Independents will resent the deception.

    Democrats will fight back.....and VOTE !
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    Oct 05, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    JockTheVote saidI was amazed and impressed by Romney last night.

    None of us had ever seen this man before.

    His positions were reversed from everything he's been mumbling about for the past 2 years.

    He was comfortable, confident and LYING.

    LYING seemed to energize him.

    Republicans won't care. In fact they will support any lie necessary to fool the public.

    But Independents will resent the deception.

    Democrats will fight back.....and VOTE !




    And the Obama campaign will make ads showing how Mitt blatantly flip-flopped in last night's debate.
    Like this one that just came out:

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/eV5m1NxffEs


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    Oct 05, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    Spin. If you really think Romneys performance fits the definition of aggressive, you must live on a funny farm. Isolated and protected from reality. I'd call it assertive. There's a big difference.
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    Oct 05, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidSpin. If you really think Romneys performance fits the definition of aggressive, you must live on a funny farm. Isolated and protected from reality. I'd call it assertive. There's a big difference.




    Yes - as the poll shows - Repubs like you loved Romney's aggressive behavior.
    Independents however found Romney to be rude - and were turned off.

    But clearly Mitten's aggressive performance lifted Repub voters up out of their funk.
    If the debate doesn't give Mitt a big bump and a clear lead in the poll of polls however - the Repub's post-debate elation will quickly fizzle out.
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    Oct 05, 2012 1:43 AM GMT
    Mitt is the newest version of Sarah Palin, stomp around, tell a bunch of lies, if no one believes them, say them with more conviction and go on the attack. We have seen all this before. Nothing will remove the thought of how confident Mitt spoke to those investors, I mean those supporters secretly taped in Florida and how he disrespected 47% of America. He is a weak candidate because Republican dogma is played out. We are not a country of religious whackery that wants to control womens bodies, control gay marriage and have no control on the banking system.
    The problem for the GOP is that when Mitt loses, they will blame it on his not being crazy enough, not being far enough right. It is a dying party of old white people, bitter that the 1950's are so far in the rear view mirror that the only people who can see the 50's can't really see it at all, but it's cute when they talk to empty chairs.
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    Oct 05, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    bostonsam said
    RickRick91 said
    Blakes7 saidSpin. If you really think Romneys performance fits the definition of aggressive, you must live on a funny farm. Isolated and protected from reality. I'd call it assertive. There's a big difference.




    Yes - as the poll shows - Repubs like you loved Romney's aggressive behavior.
    Independents however found Romney to be rude - and were turned off.

    But clearly Mitten's aggressive performance lifted Repub voters up out of their funk.
    If the debate doesn't give Mitt a big bump and a clear lead in the poll of polls however - the Repub's post-debate elation will quickly fizzle out.


    Romney WON'T get much of a bump in the polls because almost all of them are oversampling Democrats.

    When you have more registered Democrats than registered Republicans, OF COURSE you're going to ask more Democrats.
  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 05, 2012 3:44 AM GMT
    The media blabs about Romney "winning" the debate, but I think Obama knew exactly what he was doing by appealing to Independent and undecided voters, as this poll illustrates. "Winning" the debate is not like winning a wrestling match -- the real victory is decided by the election, and Obama has just improved his standing.
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    Oct 05, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
    bostonsam said
    TigerMM saidRomney is the first presidential candidate to arrogantly harass & disrespect the moderator...then brag that if elected President, he plans to fire him.

    What a pompous jerk. Republicans can have him.


    Right, I caught that too. When the moderator tried to cut him off and he said, "Well I had 5 seconds left until you went ahead and interrupted me."

    Very arrogant, aggressive and disrespectful.

    People, can you PLEASE at least pretend to be of this world and not somewhere out in looney extremist lefty land?

    Thanks from a fellow "Clinton" Democrat.



    LOL
    U mad, Southbeach?
    Yeah, you mad.
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    And NO - you're not a Democrat.
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    Oct 05, 2012 4:12 AM GMT
    bostonsam said
    RickRick91 said
    bostonsam said
    TigerMM saidRomney is the first presidential candidate to arrogantly harass & disrespect the moderator...then brag that if elected President, he plans to fire him.

    What a pompous jerk. Republicans can have him.


    Right, I caught that too. When the moderator tried to cut him off and he said, "Well I had 5 seconds left until you went ahead and interrupted me."

    Very arrogant, aggressive and disrespectful.

    People, can you PLEASE at least pretend to be of this world and not somewhere out in looney extremist lefty land?

    Thanks from a fellow "Clinton" Democrat.



    LOL
    U mad, Southbeach?
    Yeah, you mad.
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    And NO - you're not a Democrat.
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    OK, you and some of the other disappointments on here must have some magical powers to determine what political party someone has registered with. If you had any common sense, you would see how absolutely ridiculous your statement is.

    Unfortunately, the far left extremists of our Democratic party have almost no common sense. :-(

    I fear the used-to-be-sensible Al Gore has fallen in with your crowd - blaming our President's terrible performance in the debate on "high altitude!"


    You want to talk about a extremists party? Reagan destroyed the once great GOP. When you bow down to the evangelicals you know your party is extreme.
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    Oct 05, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidSpin. If you really think Romneys performance fits the definition of aggressive, you must live on a funny farm. Isolated and protected from reality. I'd call it assertive. There's a big difference.


    BUMP
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    Oct 05, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    bostonsam said
    I fear the used-to-be-sensible Al Gore has fallen in with your crowd - blaming our President's terrible performance in the debate on "high altitude!"


    Yes. Al Gore has lost his sense when he blames Obama's debate performance on the high altitude, but Romney didn't make a mistake when he said that it's dangerous that windows don't open on airliners to let in oxygen? Right.
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    Oct 05, 2012 5:35 AM GMT
    bostonsam said
    And Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a proud member of the KKK. Reagan isn't commenting on the debate (unless via some supernatural mode of communication), so let's just stick with the present, eh?


    Really? You're comparing Robert Byrd's influence on the Democratic Party to Reagan's influence on the Republican Party? You've got to be kidding.

    Anyway, given that Reagan has practically been given sainthood by Republicans, and his legacy is still influencing Republicans, his record is fair game.
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    Oct 05, 2012 5:35 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidWhy -why -why do you guys talk to Southbeach? icon_confused.gif You are the sunlight that makes that weed grow. Trolls have no defense against being ignored.


    Cuz it's fun sport.
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    Oct 05, 2012 5:56 AM GMT
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    bostonsam said
    And Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a proud member of the KKK. Reagan isn't commenting on the debate (unless via some supernatural mode of communication), so let's just stick with the present, eh?
    You know, up until now I was skeptical if you really were southbeach, because he and I were getting along pretty well there at the end and I flattered myself that he would have been honest with me.

    But this is precisely something he said, over and over, so:

    1. You are southbeach, and
    2. Apparently you really didn't give a shit about our entente cordiale after all.

    Jerk.





    LOL
    YUP
    Southbeach messed up and dropped another clue.

    The most obvious clue is the fact that BostonSam is using the old "I'm not a Republican" line of bs that Southbeach always used.
    While posting anti-Obama and anti-Democratic comments.

    It's not even debatable now.
    Boston Sam is Southbeach.
    Period.
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    Oct 05, 2012 10:10 AM GMT
    You just cannot imagine that there are people with other opinions and viewpoints, so when someone comes along that doesn't live in your isolated bubble and says something you don't like, you just label and dismiss him. Try to embarass him into silence. That's very loving and accepting of you. It's the same kind of arrogance that religious people who distance themselves from gay people have. Yes, I am comparing you to the intolerant. Chew on that one for a while.......
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    Oct 05, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
    As an independent-minded voter, I am extremely perturbed by the lack of principled conduct from our politicians. I am particularly flabbergasted, albeit glad, that Romney is now saying that his "47%" comment was wrong (see http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/04/romney-on-47-comments-i-was-completely-wrong/?hpt=hp_t1).

    Does he actually believe that he was wrong, or is he saying this mea culpa now because it's politically convenient? If he knew he was wrong, why didn't he just admit that days ago when the video was disclosed? Did he just have a revelation? I am extremely pleased that Romney acknowledged that he's wrong, but on the other hand I am even more suspicious of his character now than I have ever been. I have, to a very large extent, ignored and justified Romeny's flip-flopping in the past, but I'm beginning to think that this is becoming systematic and perhaps symptomatic of a larger character problem.

    Principles count a whole lot, and we expect responsible people--particularly politicians to whom we entrust our country--to have the strength of character to stand by their beliefs and opinions, no matter how distasteful those beliefs and opinions may be to some. I hope that Romney's mea culpa is genuine. Frankly, I don't know, and perhaps I will never know. If it's genuine, then perhaps people need to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 05, 2012 12:50 PM GMT
    Glad to hear it... I think we will find it won't have a huge difference on the election.. I just can't wait until the next debate. I hope Obama stuffs the bullshit right down that SOB's throat!

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  • rnch

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    Oct 05, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
    As I have commented on other threads with this topic:

    These debates will help nobocy but the television network.

    Most voters have long since made up their mind which Presidential candidate to vote for.

    The "undecided" prolly won't even bother to vote.
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    Oct 05, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidSpin. If you really think Romneys performance fits the definition of aggressive, you must live on a funny farm. Isolated and protected from reality. I'd call it assertive. There's a big difference.


    Even Romney thinks it's unbecoming. Ask Mitt Romney:

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    Oct 05, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidWhy -why -why do you guys talk to Southbeach? icon_confused.gif You are the sunlight that makes that weed grow.


    I piss on weeds. Eventually it kills them, in spite of the sunlight.
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    Oct 05, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
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    RickRick91 saidIt's not even debatable now.
    Boston Sam is Southbeach.
    Period.

    If you'll all allow me a moment of vanity (on top of all the others I take), I'll remind that I was one of the first --if not the first-- to profile the new SB sock. And I think I nailed one or two of the last few, too.

    It's crazy to me that it doesn't realize how much it gives itself away, and how quickly. Even when it pretends to be what it's not, it does so in a way that screams "I AM SOUTHBEACH!"




    It is crazy that Southbeach doesn't realize that everyone knows his BostonSam alias is just another Southbeach sock.

    It's common knowledge and a total joke - but BostonSam/Southbeach continues to post comments and continues to claim he's a "Democrat" and that he isn't Soutbeach.

    It's become an amusing piece of performance art at this point.
    He's only generating laughs - and is totally failing at his hoped-for goal of brainwashing the gullible into voting Repub.
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    Oct 05, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
    Ignore what people say and just call them names. Why be so childish?
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    Oct 05, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidYou just cannot imagine that there are people with other opinions and viewpoints, so when someone comes along that doesn't live in your isolated bubble and says something you don't like, you just label and dismiss him. Try to embarrass him into silence. That's very loving and accepting of you. It's the same kind of arrogance that religious people who distance themselves from gay people have. Yes, I am comparing you to the intolerant. Chew on that one for a while.......


    Saddly there are a number of liberal hens here who try to bastardise and embarrass people with diffrent political views than them here at RJ into silance; there is no depth to their depravity.

    But look at all the wrongs and hate they overlook from the liberals, yes it's no diffrent to the religus that they behold so much contempt for, nor are they any better, and overlook the damage they do too; but then they just blame someone else too.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 06, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    Republicans were going to vote for Romney, no matter what.
    HIs rabid performance in the debate, just gave them a little false hope of winning the election.

    Democrats were going to vote for Obama, anyway.
    His lackluster performance didn't change their minds, at all.

    Independents, who were already planning to vote for Obama, were really turned off by Romney's blatant lies (27 lies within 38 minutes).

    Both Democrats and Independents were appalled at watching Romney repeatedly bullying moderator Jim Lehrer.



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