Coffee, muscles and fat...

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    Aug 27, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    I love coffee. I dated someone who once managed a coffee house and he taught me a lot. I've since practiced and can now make a very good espresso or latte or mocha. I rarely have the latter two, but I have several espresso's every day. It's sort of a morning ritual.

    So here's the issue:

    I remember reading a study making reference to the fact that drinking coffee caused your body to hold onto intramuscular fat. What I do remember about the study was that they didn't know whether that was coffee generally or specifically caffeine since the study didn't address decaf only caffeinated coffee. What I don't remember was who did the study and whether it was using good methodology.

    Does anyone know of real scientific study as to positive and negative aspects to building muscle and/or losing fat (excluding the documented caffeine as appetite suppressant issue).
  • UFJocknerd

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    Aug 27, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
    Malek et al. (2006). Effect of eight weeks of caffeine supplementation and endurance training on aerobic fitness and body composition. Journal of Strength Conditioning Research, 20, 751-755.

    This study gives no effect from the equivalent of about 2 cups of coffee or 2 shots of espresso/day in conjunction with aerobic training on body composition. n = 36, 14 men 22 women, age M = 22.4 SD = 2.9. That's less caffeine than you're asking about though.

    Some of the caffeine studies are odd. For example, I think that nearly all the work on creatine inhibition by caffeine was done in mice, and they were given tons of caf (unless other work was done that I didn't see).

    I'd more more concerned about GI issues with that "several" espressos a day. icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 27, 2008 9:53 PM GMT
    Most of the studies I've seen say coffee (caffeine) helps rev up your system and burn more fat. When you're in a leaning cycle, nothing better than to wake-up on empty stomach, have a cup of coffee and two Ephedera capsules.. then cardio for 40 minutes.

  • VinBaltimore

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    Aug 27, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    BigSETXjock saidnothing better than to wake-up on empty stomach, have a cup of coffee and two Ephedera capsules.. then cardio for 40 minutes.



    Gosh almighty, I'm sure my heart would pound right outta my chest! I'm very caffiene sensitive. Had to switch to decaf years ago. If I have a cup of regular coffee in the morning, I can't sleep that night. Darn shame too, that Hydroxycut, or whatever it's called, was really working for me, but I was awake for days at a time.
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    Aug 27, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    Coffee is a stimulant and some do have to be careful. My body isn't very sensitive to most chemicals, so it takes a good quantity. For instance... it takes about a pint of Vodka before I'm feeling a good buzz...
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    Aug 27, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    BigSETXjock saidFor instance... it takes about a pint of Vodka before I'm feeling a good buzz...
    A pint? Good God, I'd be catatonic if I drank half a pint, probably near dead if I drank a pint.
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    Aug 27, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    BigSETXjock saidMost of the studies I've seen say coffee (caffeine) helps rev up your system and burn more fat. When you're in a leaning cycle, nothing better than to wake-up on empty stomach, have a cup of coffee and two Ephedera capsules.. then cardio for 40 minutes.



    Isn't that... um... unhealthy?
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    Aug 28, 2008 12:04 AM GMT
    A lot of the science done on caffeine shows that it affects substrate utilization in a benefical way. It is quite good at shifting the body from using carbohydrates to using fat. So for example, if a particular activity was normally fueled 50% carbs and 50% fat, with an effective dose of caffeine the same activity performed at the same intensity for the same duration might use fuel at 35% carbohydrates and 65% fat. During aggressive calorie deficits and cutting cycles this can have the benefit of sparing muscle glycogen stores.
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    Aug 28, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    I get antioxidants from green tea extract. I was curious about the issue of coffee beyond the caffeine.

    I don't have coffee alone in the morning, I also have a protein shake, oatmeal and fruit in the morning.
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    Aug 28, 2008 2:28 AM GMT
    I have heard mixed things on that. I have never really read the article that says coffee makes you fat, but have read several that says "caffeine" helps you burn fat. I have heard more positive things about caffeine and coffee than negative.

    Here is a forum I had with a news link http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/151975/

    That said I really prefer Tea to coffee and take green tea extract for an energy boost.
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    Aug 28, 2008 2:42 AM GMT
    By the way, just google "coffee health benefits" and see how much info you get .. here is another ..

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/coffee_health_benefits.htm

    I googled "coffee makes you fat" and pulled quite a few articles about it but they were almost all in women's websites and online magazines. Go figure icon_eek.gif

    Well here is one that mentions that along with the benefits:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/health/05brod.html?ex=1218772800&en=9586b6e33e395d20&ei=5070
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    Aug 28, 2008 4:15 AM GMT
    Keep in mind whats in the drink besides coffee. Some common coffee based drinks from some common coffee shops can range from 600 to 1500 calories.
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    Aug 28, 2008 3:11 PM GMT
    It is not the coffee itself that has the calories... it all the syrups and creams that people have added to them. Steer clear of all the extras, use Splenda and some skim milk... or just take it black...

  • Timbales

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    Aug 28, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    My trainer told me that it's not an issue of caffeine with coffee, it's the acid. When you drink coffee, it makes your system's ph more acid. To offset that, you body takes the acid and stores it into your fat, grabbing other things to store as well. It also can leach the calcium from your bones to help neutralize the acid.
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    Aug 28, 2008 4:04 PM GMT
    Along the same lines of the last poster I also read that black coffee can actually be harmful to your bones in that it leeches out the calcium.

    So, to offset that, use milk/cream (not the carnation crap, but real cream or half/half) in your coffee as it can help to neutralize the acid's effects.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 28, 2008 5:33 PM GMT
    Is there anything on drinking pop that is adverse here? Just curious.
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    Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
    all soda's are bad for you, regardless of diet or not. there's a reason every health plan or diet wants you to stop drinking them.
  • TexanMan82

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    Aug 29, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI drink Crystal Lite on a daily basis. If it eventually shows that it's bad for my health I will stop drinking them. I don't generally like sodas. I have sodas like diet Dr. Pepper maybe 4x a year.

    I like my Brita water filter and like to squeeze a bit of lemon into and have that also.


    Yeah I drink a lot of Wyler's Light (Crystal Lite generic). I sometimes worry if I'm feeding a tumor with that stuff
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    Aug 29, 2008 10:20 PM GMT
    BigSETXjock saidCoffee is a stimulant and some do have to be careful. My body isn't very sensitive to most chemicals, so it takes a good quantity. For instance... it takes about a pint of Vodka before I'm feeling a good buzz...


    lol, that's what I'm talking about!!


    Coffee really does nothing for me, it tastes good, though. I can drink it minutes before going to bed and still be able to sleep.