Bullying Epidemic?

  • anacreon

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    Oct 05, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    Reading that thread with the fat anchorwoman who was bullied by an email, I started to wonder if there is indeed a bullying epidemic in America? And most relevant, was Obama bullied by Romney in this week's debate, and should the Obama administration consider taking legal action for this?
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    Oct 05, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
    More so than ever people now freely throw around the word "bully". Yes there is a lot of bullying being brought to light that wasn't before, and that is awesome. But it is also being used as a scapegoat. Someone calls me out on my bullshit behavior? BULLYING. Someone tells me something true that's not easy or pleasant to hear? BULLYING. Teacher is pushing me to work harder because I have a piss poor attitude? BULLYING. Calling out bully is becoming the new sue for everything mentality.
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    Oct 05, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidMore so than ever people now freely throw around the word "bully". Yes there is a lot of bullying being brought to light that wasn't before, and that is awesome. But it is also being used as a scapegoat. Someone calls me out on my bullshit behavior? BULLYING. Someone tells me something true that's not easy or pleasant to hear? BULLYING. Teacher is pushing me to work harder because I have a piss poor attitude? BULLYING. Calling out bully is becoming the new sue for everything mentality.


    Do you think that Obama was bullied by Romney?
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    Oct 05, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidMore so than ever people now freely throw around the word "bully". Yes there is a lot of bullying being brought to light that wasn't before, and that is awesome. But it is also being used as a scapegoat. Someone calls me out on my bullshit behavior? BULLYING. Someone tells me something true that's not easy or pleasant to hear? BULLYING. Teacher is pushing me to work harder because I have a piss poor attitude? BULLYING. Calling out bully is becoming the new sue for everything mentality.

    This. A society of whiners and pussies.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 05, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
    I think Obama needs to put Romney in his place in the next debate. icon_evil.gif
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    Oct 05, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
    I'm bullied all the time here. icon_cry.gif
  • AMoonHawk

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    Oct 05, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    Bullying only occurs when a person is in a situation where they cannot defend themselves .... stating facts about a person is not a case of bullying.

    Young people in school do experience bullying and can be both physically and mentally abused because they do not have the life experience, physical size and other factors to defend themselves. Mentally, disable people can also be easily bullied. Physically, challenged can also be easily bullied.

    Someone writing a letter to a public figure who is old enough and smart enough to defend herself and to know that being in the public eye she is going to open herself up to criticism (whether that be her speech, dress, looks or weight) and telling her that she is fat and should do something about her weight, is not a case of bullying.
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    Oct 05, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidBullying only occurs when a person is in a situation where they cannot defend themselves .... stating facts about a person is not a case of bullying.

    Young people in school are both physically and mentally abused because then do not have the life experience, physical size and other factors to defend themselves.

    Someone writing a letter to a public figure who is old enough and smart enough to defend herself and to know that being in the public eye she is going to open herself up to criticism (whether that be her speech, dress, looks or weight) and telling her that she is fat and should do something about her weight, is not a case of bullying.


    I think the other problem with bullying in schools is that most kids don't have a choice about what school they attend and have no way to escape their tormentors. As adults, we usually have an easier time of getting out of situations like that, by finding jobs and/or neighborhoods that we choose ourselves, rather than being forced into a situation we have no control over.
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    Oct 05, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
    I also think there are very specific environments where behavior can be constituted as bullying. Inescapability and defenselessness are definitely key, quintessentially in schools. There are also other situations, like work environments where co-workers or superiors can display bullying behaviors and you have limited recourse. I think also neighbors can display bullying and you have limited recourse because you're kinda stuck where you live. Cyber bullying also falls into this category because in a way you can't run away on the internet, if bullies have your email/facebook/twitter etc they can target you in a way that you can't conventionally escape.

    Random single letter to a public figure? NOT bullying. Public debate? NOT bullying. Anything involving one-time instances with strangers? NOT bullying. Jerks, assholes, idiots, sure why not. But not bullies.
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    Oct 05, 2012 10:00 PM GMT


    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/gay-slur-in-school-yearbook-still-haunts-bullied-man-42-years-later/article4590079/
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    Oct 05, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    It's always been about albeit less exposed in the past than now. However I think that advances in technology and social media have provided additional avenues for bullying that weren't available before.
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:16 AM GMT
    The fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    Bullying is being thrown around way too much as the same as the same with psychologists are diagnosing kids with ADHD!
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThe fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.




    Being fat is a choice for most, not all.



    Whatever it is being a choice is besides the point. No one should be bullied & or picked on for "showing up" no matter how different they appear to the next.
  • Medjai

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    Oct 06, 2012 6:24 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThe fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.


    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...
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    paulflexes saidThe fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.




    Being fat is a choice for most, not all.



    Yes I know. But she gave no legitimate reason. Instead, she admitted being "obese" by the medical definition and gave no indication of an intent to change it. She's fat because she's lazy - not because she has an underlying medical condition that made her that way.
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:28 AM GMT
    Medjai said

    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...


    The majority of the US is obese, and the numbers are only projected to rise and rise. It's like there's this whole attitude of "Yeah yeah we know we're fat...we'll do something about it when we feel like it (which will be never in most cases), and in the meantime DON'T say anything about it, DON'T point it out and sugarcoat everything (lol) related to our obesity, because if you ever mention it YOU'RE A BULLY."
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    IanJar said
    paulflexes saidThe fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.




    Being fat is a choice for most, not all.



    Yes I know. But she gave no legitimate reason. Instead, she admitted being "obese" by the medical definition and gave no indication of an intent to change it. She's fat because she's lazy - not because she has an underlying medical condition that made her that way.


    Okay, but the statement "Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice." seemed pretty general to me. Didn't know the statement was specifically for the news woman who's evidently extremely sensitive about her weight.

    She admitted being obese but never said why or how she became obese... Some have thyroid problems (not saying it's the issue for her) you know.
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidThe fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.


    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...
    One of my best family friends in high school owned a "layer house" (chicken house with hens that lay eggs).

    Walking on eggshells is easy. icon_wink.gif
  • Medjai

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    Oct 06, 2012 6:31 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Medjai said

    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...


    The majority of the US is obese, and the numbers are only projected to rise and rise. It's like there's this whole attitude of "Yeah yeah we know we're fat...we'll do something about it when we feel like it (which will be never in most cases), and in the meantime DON'T say anything about it, DON'T point it out and sugarcoat everything (lol) related to our obesity, because if you ever mention it YOU'RE A BULLY."


    It's not the right way to approach it. Throw blame at them and the walls go up and toning changes. This is the field in in. These people generally have a terrible self image and this approach will not support them in getting healthy, nor will spotlighting their faults improve their self image. It's a difficult area. One that needs to be addressed, but addressed right.
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:34 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    Ariodante said
    Medjai said

    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...


    The majority of the US is obese, and the numbers are only projected to rise and rise. It's like there's this whole attitude of "Yeah yeah we know we're fat...we'll do something about it when we feel like it (which will be never in most cases), and in the meantime DON'T say anything about it, DON'T point it out and sugarcoat everything (lol) related to our obesity, because if you ever mention it YOU'RE A BULLY."


    It's not the right way to approach it. Throw blame at them and the walls go up and toning changes. This is the field in in. These people generally have a terrible self image and this approach will not support them in getting healthy, nor will spotlighting their faults improve their self image. It's a difficult area. One that needs to be addressed, but addressed right.
    The only way to address it right (and have it be successful) is to change the mind of one person at a time, in real life...just like us "long-been-out" gays who've been interacting with our haters for 20+ years, slowly changing the minds of America one person at a time. icon_wink.gif
  • Medjai

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    Oct 06, 2012 6:35 AM GMT
    IanJar said
    paulflexes said
    IanJar said
    paulflexes saidThe fat anchor woman wasn't bullied. She was instructed how she could use her popularity to make a positive and healthy impact on her viewers.

    She took it as an insult because she's too lazy to do anything about her fatness.

    Ya see, being bullied for sexual orientation, color, race, gender, or handicap is to be bullied for something that you cannot change.

    Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice.




    Being fat is a choice for most, not all.



    Yes I know. But she gave no legitimate reason. Instead, she admitted being "obese" by the medical definition and gave no indication of an intent to change it. She's fat because she's lazy - not because she has an underlying medical condition that made her that way.


    Okay, but the statement "Being fat can be changed, and IS a choice." seemed pretty general to me. Didn't know the statement was specifically for the news woman who's evidently extremely sensitive about her weight.

    She admitted being obese but never said why or how she became obese... Some have thyroid problems (not saying it's the issue for her) you know.


    Current studies are showing that, in many cases, hypothyroidism is being caused by the obesity, as opposed to vice versa. Spontaneous hypothyroidism is actually incredibly rare.
  • Medjai

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    Oct 06, 2012 6:35 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Medjai said
    Ariodante said
    Medjai said

    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...


    The majority of the US is obese, and the numbers are only projected to rise and rise. It's like there's this whole attitude of "Yeah yeah we know we're fat...we'll do something about it when we feel like it (which will be never in most cases), and in the meantime DON'T say anything about it, DON'T point it out and sugarcoat everything (lol) related to our obesity, because if you ever mention it YOU'RE A BULLY."


    It's not the right way to approach it. Throw blame at them and the walls go up and toning changes. This is the field in in. These people generally have a terrible self image and this approach will not support them in getting healthy, nor will spotlighting their faults improve their self image. It's a difficult area. One that needs to be addressed, but addressed right.
    The only way to address it right (and have it be successful) is to change the mind of one person at a time, in real life...just like us "long-been-out" gays who've been interacting with our haters for 20+ years, slowly changing the minds of America one person at a time. icon_wink.gif


    This is my field, so it hits close to home.
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    Oct 06, 2012 6:37 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    Ariodante said
    Medjai said

    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...


    The majority of the US is obese, and the numbers are only projected to rise and rise. It's like there's this whole attitude of "Yeah yeah we know we're fat...we'll do something about it when we feel like it (which will be never in most cases), and in the meantime DON'T say anything about it, DON'T point it out and sugarcoat everything (lol) related to our obesity, because if you ever mention it YOU'RE A BULLY."


    It's not the right way to approach it.


    Matter of opinion.
  • Medjai

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    Oct 06, 2012 6:39 AM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Medjai said
    Ariodante said
    Medjai said

    While I do agree with you, that's an unpopular statement. Walk on eggshells...


    The majority of the US is obese, and the numbers are only projected to rise and rise. It's like there's this whole attitude of "Yeah yeah we know we're fat...we'll do something about it when we feel like it (which will be never in most cases), and in the meantime DON'T say anything about it, DON'T point it out and sugarcoat everything (lol) related to our obesity, because if you ever mention it YOU'RE A BULLY."


    It's not the right way to approach it.


    Matter of opinion.
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    Matter of experience.