Testing Our Value Systems: The Male Pregnancy Scenario

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    Oct 06, 2012 5:07 AM GMT

    Greetings:
    I am Rudrod64 and thank you for joining this forum. Below is a scenario I would like you to read followed by some discussion questions. Please do not concern yourself with how realistic or scientifically feasible the scenario is and instead focus on the ethical and moral issues it is seeking to raise.

    The male pregnancy scenario:

    Imagine that medical and reproductive technology has advanced to the point where doctors can help males get pregnant. They can utilize artificial eggs and are able to combine the chromosomes of two same-sex partners and successfully implant a fertilized egg in a specific cavity in a male that can sustain and carry a pregnancy. The medical technology is also advanced enough to allow parents to choose the sex of their future child. The male who chooses to get pregnant may request the doctors to help him develop lactating glands if he wishes to breastfeed his future baby. Any male that decides to undergo this procedure is fully informed of the physical changes he will endure after the procedure (redistribution of body fat, changes in body shape, stretch marks, etc.)

    Discussion questions:

    1) If you were in a committed relationship and wished to have children would you pursue this option if you had the financial means to do it?
    2) If you decided to pursue this option, would you be willing to be the one who gets pregnant or would you try to convince your partner to go through the pregnancy? What is the reasoning behind your choice?
    3) If you decided to pursue this option, would you select the sex or your child and what sex would you choose? Why or why not?
    4) If you decided to get pregnant yourself, would you ask the doctor to help you make it possible for you to breastfeed your baby? Why or why not?
    5) Would your notions of masculinity change if this pregnancy option were available to you? Why or why not?
    6) What personal values you think you are applying when you make reproductive decisions like this? Why are those values important to you?
  • AlexGuess

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    Oct 06, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
    There are plenty of abandoned children in the world, why undergo through those changes when you can adopt a child, I think my priorities are different from most people, but isn´t it a little whimsical to go that far?
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    Oct 06, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    Interesting question

    1) I would not pursue this choice for myself. (I don't want any of this happening to me. I may be gay, but there are certain thing I like having and not having:rollicon_smile.gif If my partner wanted it, I would support him. (though try to persuade them not to) I would fear that all these changes would basically turn him into a woman, and the man I fell in love with would be turned into someone else entirely, possibly ruining the relationship.icon_sad.gif

    2) I would be unwilling to go through this, if my partner wanted to I would let him, but not convince him to. I don't want to give birth to a child. The process is long messy and in my opinion, something I would not want to deal with. I would support my partner, but I refuse to do it myself.

    3) If my partner is doing all the heavy lifting, he gets to chose. I find that either would be fine with me. Personally I find the element of randomness in normal pregnancys keeps parents from expecting things from the child and just loving him/her for who he/she is.

    4) No. I may like nipples on guys, but I don't want to alter myself to be able to feed a baby.

    5) I don't think I can say if my view of masculinity would change because I think of masculinity in a certain way, seeing the less masculine (or feminine) side of someone masculine doesn't change my view of masculinty as a whole, just my view of that person.

    6) There are honestly too many views here to express. I will just say that I belive people are made the way they are for a reason. Being able to "play god" is something people have always strived for but I am against it. Putting that much power into people's hands changes their values, and diminishes the value of men and women. Being able to blur the line between men and women and basically turning all of us into the same beings is something that could change the world drastically. I admit to not knowing if it is for the better or worse though.
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    Oct 06, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    AlexGuess saidThere are plenty of abandoned children in the world, why undergo through those changes when you can adopt a child, I think my priorities are different from most people, but isn´t it a little whimsical to go that far?


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    Oct 06, 2012 2:23 PM GMT
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    I'd flush the little blood fart.
  • spacemagic

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    Oct 06, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    AlexGuess saidThere are plenty of abandoned children in the world, why undergo through those changes when you can adopt a child, I think my priorities are different from most people, but isn´t it a little whimsical to go that far?


    Agree. I work in the child welfare system where it's nothing for a woman to have 5, 6, even 8 children. In no way do we need to provide a means to make MORE people able to give birth.
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    Oct 06, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
    I thought this topic might be about men being the bearers of children instead of women and what laws would be in place as a result around abortion.

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    Oct 06, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    meninlove said I thought this topic might be about men being the bearers of children instead of women and what laws would be in place as a result around abortion.

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  • HottJoe

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    Oct 06, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    WaytoDawn said
    AlexGuess saidThere are plenty of abandoned children in the world, why undergo through those changes when you can adopt a child, I think my priorities are different from most people, but isn´t it a little whimsical to go that far?


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    Oct 06, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    This has got to be one of the most fucked up questions I have ever heard in my life...
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    Oct 20, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
    I love philosophy and value question exercises!

    Philosophy has always been one of my strongest academic subjects, both as a subject in itself, and it's implementation in many other humanity subjects. It makes my soul buzz with electricity. Just sayin'.

    Answers.

    1) I probably would if it meant that the DNA of the child was made up of both mine and my partner's. It it was possible to create an embryo made of both my and my partners DNA and paced in an empty egg for a donor to carry, then I would probably prefer to take that option instead.

    2) I would be willing to undergo being pregnant as I'd be curious to go through the bonding process that being pregnant with my and my partner's child entails, and to ensure a healthy host environment for the foetus. I'd also be happy for my partner to do so if he wanted. Or take turns if we decided on more than one child.

    3) No, I wouldn't select the sex of the child. It is irrelevant. The sex does not guarantee the characteristics of the child, nor the relationship I/we'd be likely to have with him/her in life.

    4) Hmm, I know that breastfeeding is best for the child, health wise, and it helps the bond between parent and child, but I feel this might be a bit too much. I'd feel like a woman doing that. I wouldn't like to. I'd prefer to have a surrogate. I wouldn't do it unless there wasn't any other option. If there are other options, I'd get surrogate milk/the best formula milk.

    5) Slightly, it's mean that, on a larger social level, in this scenario, women are no longer the sole bearers of life. Their inherent influence over men would be much less substantial. But, otherwise, not so much on a personal level as pregnancy is only a process, it's not the make-up of a person's character/general demeanour.

    6) The value of ensuring genes are passed on to a future generation, the value to raise offspring for a fulfilling life experience and potential old age security.


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    Oct 20, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    WaytoDawn said
    AlexGuess saidThere are plenty of abandoned children in the world, why undergo through those changes when you can adopt a child, I think my priorities are different from most people, but isn´t it a little whimsical to go that far?


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    Oh and ruin my figure.No thanks! icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 20, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
    Whenever I think of the process of giving birth, the movie "Alien" comes to mind.
  • keromonkey2

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    Aug 26, 2014 4:18 AM GMT
    1) If you were in a committed relationship and wished to have children would you pursue this option if you had the financial means to do it?

    I would consider it. I can promise no more than that.
    This isn't solely my decision, it would have to be something that both myself and my partner(s?) decided. I desire to have biological kids, but I can do that without myself or my male partner assuming a female role for a moderate period of time. However, if my partner wanted to do it. If it was exceedingly important to him that we have a kid that was genuinely biologically the both of ours- then we would have a long talk and discuss all of the...side-effects that could occur. And I would consider it, out of love and the desire to see my partner happy, as well as come closer to accomplishing my goals.

    2) If you decided to pursue this option, would you be willing to be the one who gets pregnant or would you try to convince your partner to go through the pregnancy? What is the reasoning behind your choice?

    This is complex. I would not be interested in physically bearing children. The idea is frightful. I would be completely okay with just doing it the traditional way to achieve the desired result. In a world where there was no other option and the livelihood of our species depended on males safely bringing the seeds to fruition inside their own bodies, I would consider doing it on a few conditions.
    A) I'd have to see someone else do it first, so I can know what to expect. (This determines whether I'd be willing to physically endure the experience)
    B) I would have to REALLY REALLY REALLY love the male I was with and REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY be able to trust him. Because generally I loath the thought of being forced to rely on anyone by ANY circumstance. But this experience, interesting though it may potentially be, would REQUIRE me to rely on him. And forced codependency is something I despise. I value our ability to be mutually independent in a relationship and this would be an 'ultimate test' vs that independence.

    In effect, I'd be temporarily sacrificing my personal freedom for a mutual endeavor, so it had BETTER be WORTH it.

    Of course, since chances are my partner would be the one to insist on this idea, since I'm not too keen on it, my ultimate response would be 'lead by example'. If he wanted me to do it, then I'd take the second kid, he'd have to bear the first. lol.


    3) If you decided to pursue this option, would you select the sex or your child and what sex would you choose? Why or why not?

    At this moment in my life, no. I have 3 tries to get it ideal. (I want three kids: 2 boys, 1 girl), though I'm totally cool with all boys. I'd leave the first pregnancy or 2 to chance, and depending on how the those went I might consider the altering the last one. But the key word is 'consider'. Nothing is set in stone and, again, this has to be a mutual decision between my partner and myself.
    Though...in the interest of furthering science, my curiosity might have me leaning in the direction of experimentation. So it's hard to say, lol.


    4) If you decided to get pregnant yourself, would you ask the doctor to help you make it possible for you to breastfeed your baby? Why or why not?

    Only if I were in a traveling caravan in a post apocalyptic world where gender didn't matter anymore...and even then, its something I'd 'consider'. I'd have to ask my partner because having breasts is...well, I doubt he'd be into that sort of thing given his preference for men, haha.

    5) Would your notions of masculinity change if this pregnancy option were available to you? Why or why not?

    It would hard to be manly while flailing milk-filled boobs around. I could still be strong, yes. But the defining features of a man might be lost in the transition. This is alot like going trans. The better question is: is it temporary? Is it reversible? This would create quite a strange world.

    6) What personal values you think you are applying when you make reproductive decisions like this? Why are those values important to you?
    -Communication: important because without it a relationship can too easily fall in shambles.
    -Support: Even though I value mutual independence, two beings in a relationship need to be ABLE to rely on one another when necessary. That's one of the primary purposes of a relationship.
    -Progeny: It's a biological need for the species to procreate in order to continue on. It's a biological desire for me to contribute to that.
    -Masculinity: In men, it's what sexually attracts me. I enjoy the idea of having good sex born of mutual attraction with my partner.
    -Trust: This one speaks for itself, but in case it's not clear. Don't try to raise a kid with someone you can NEVER trust or rely on when needed.
    -Reliability: Same as trust.
    -Science vs. 'playing god', an age-old debate I'm too tired to get into, lol.



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  • jo2hotbod

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    Aug 26, 2014 4:31 AM GMT
    No it is not natural, regardless as to what science is able to accomplish and both partners may want... Some things weren't made to mess around with, creation of life is one of them
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    Aug 26, 2014 1:46 PM GMT
    AlexGuess saidThere are plenty of abandoned children in the world, why undergo through those changes when you can adopt a child...

    children past a certain age are difficult to adopt. I dont see why I would invite this into my life if I could not be more than successful raising a child.

    If i really really wanted a child

    do it your self.