Call the Senate race upset of they year

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    Oct 07, 2012 4:54 PM GMT
    Heidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R)...
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    Oct 07, 2012 5:02 PM GMT
    NJDewd saidHeidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R)...

    Why? Just curious, I used to live there, met her a few times.
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    Oct 07, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
    Interesting article on the matter:

    ‘North Dakota Nice’ Plays Well in Senate Race

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/us/politics/democratic-heidi-heitkamp-is-strong-in-gop-north-dakota.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 07, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    This is excellent news. The rural, midwestern State of North Dakota gives a right wing republican the boot and votes in a democrat as US Senator. I guess the remote northern Great Plains are not a lost cause after all.icon_smile.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 07, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    Chris Murphy (D) may lose to Linda McMahon (R) in Connecticut Senate race.

    George Allen (R) winning in a squeaker in the Virginia Senate race over Tim Kaine (D) though Allen is losing significantly in the polls
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    Oct 07, 2012 6:53 PM GMT
    Richard Carmona (D) beats Jeff Flake (R) for John Kyl's seat in Arizona.
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    Oct 07, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
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    NJDewd saidHeidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R)...

    Why? Just curious, I used to live there, met her a few times.


    From what I read it is a close race in a very reliably Republican state. She dropped out of the governor's race in 2000 against John Hoeven (the other US Senator from ND) because of breast cancer. She supposedly has a much better persona than Rick Berg. ND has elected Democrats as you know too!
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    Oct 07, 2012 9:26 PM GMT
    comfortablynumb saidRichard Carmona (D) beats Jeff Flake (R) for John Kyl's seat in Arizona.


    Yes that could happen too. Great article on that race in today's NY Times which spurred me to post the question. RE: Virginia race to that poster: what are the polls showing in terms of spread? Incumbent Sen. Robert Menendez (D) in NJ will win easily over state Sen. Joseph Kyrillos of Monmouth County.
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    Oct 08, 2012 11:56 AM GMT
    Scott Brown retains his seat over Elizabeth (Cherokee) Warren
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    Oct 08, 2012 12:09 PM GMT
    And Josh Mandel over Sherrod Brown would also be nice.
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    Oct 08, 2012 12:46 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAnd Josh Mandel over Sherrod Brown would also be nice.


    ", Mandel VOTED AGAINST the Ohio House Bill 176,[20] the Equal Housing and Employment Act which "[p]rohibits discriminatory practices on the basis of "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" under many of the Ohio Civil Rights Commission (OCRC) Law's existing prohibitions against various unlawful discriminatory practices.".[21] The bill passed the Ohio House by a vote of 56 to 39."


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    Oct 08, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidAnd Josh Mandel over Sherrod Brown would also be nice.


    ", Mandel VOTED AGAINST the Ohio House Bill 176,[20] the Equal Housing and Employment Act which "[p]rohibits discriminatory practices on the basis of "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" under many of the Ohio Civil Rights Commission (OCRC) Law's existing prohibitions against various unlawful discriminatory practices.".[21] The bill passed the Ohio House by a vote of 56 to 39."




    And?
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    Oct 08, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
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    NJDewd saidHeidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R)...

    Why? Just curious, I used to live there, met her a few times.

    From what I read it is a close race in a very reliably Republican state. She dropped out of the governor's race in 2000 against John Hoeven (the other US Senator from ND) because of breast cancer. She supposedly has a much better persona than Rick Berg. ND has elected Democrats as you know too!

    The odd thing is the way ND splits its votes. The Statehouse in Bismarck (the building a marvelous example of Federal Deco, BTW) usually goes Republican.

    But for much of the time I lived there the Congressional delegation they sent to Washington was Democratic. Of course that's only a total of 3 in Congress: the required 2 Senators, and just 1 House member, because of the low State population of only 650,000. In ND it's actually more exclusive to be their single Congressman than a Senator, all 3 of the offices decided by state-wide races.

    Heitkamp was always well-liked, enough to get her elected State Attorney General for a number of years, a difficult feat for a Democrat at the State level. (But then my personal attorney was also the Republican ND AG for a number of years, whose incompetence & inattention cost me to lose a house I owned there)

    Her main problem was typical Republican attacks on a woman's ability to be in a position of authority (except when she's one of theirs, of course). I hate when Republicans attack women based on gender stereotypes, just like they routinely do with Hillary Clinton, and this is what Heitkamp has faced in the past.

    But I was curious why this was considered an upset, since ND is as likely to elect a Democrat to the US Senate as a Republican.

    Ex_Mil8 posted a link to a very good article. There really is such a thing as "North Dakota Nice." Upper Minnesota has it, too, both places settled largely by Norwegians & Germans. They may be politically conservative if you force them to choose sides on an issue in an election, like gay marriage, yet if they meet a gay (like me) they will have you sit down with them for dinner. And have you speak the lesson from the pulpit in a Lutheran church, as I often did myself, with my BF sitting in the front pew.

    So this mention of Heitkamp as an upset race interested me. I could see it going either way. She'd be replacing a Democratic Senator (whom I also knew), so that's to her benefit. But I see that Republicans are running their usual ideological lies against her, and those often play well in ND, forcing voters to make an emotional values choice, not a practical one. I'll want to watch the outcome of this contest.
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    Oct 09, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidChris Murphy (D) may lose to Linda McMahon (R) in Connecticut Senate race.

    George Allen (R) winning in a squeaker in the Virginia Senate race over Tim Kaine (D) though Allen is losing significantly in the polls


    You only wish.....
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    Oct 09, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    comfortablynumb saidRichard Carmona (D) beats Jeff Flake (R) for John Kyl's seat in Arizona.


    I only wish.....
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    Oct 09, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAnd Josh Mandel over Sherrod Brown would also be nice.


    Wont happen....Josh WILL be elected homecoming king however icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 09, 2012 12:55 AM GMT
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    NJDewd saidHeidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R)...

    Why? Just curious, I used to live there, met her a few times.

    From what I read it is a close race in a very reliably Republican state. She dropped out of the governor's race in 2000 against John Hoeven (the other US Senator from ND) because of breast cancer. She supposedly has a much better persona than Rick Berg. ND has elected Democrats as you know too!

    The odd thing is the way ND splits its votes. The Statehouse in Bismarck (the building a marvelous example of Federal Deco, BTW) usually goes Republican.

    But for much of the time I lived there the Congressional delegation they sent to Washington was Democratic. Of course that's only a total of 3 in Congress: the required 2 Senators, and just 1 House member, because of the low State population of only 650,000. In ND it's actually more exclusive to be their single Congressman than a Senator, all 3 of the offices decided by state-wide races.

    Heitkamp was always well-liked, enough to get her elected State Attorney General for a number of years, a difficult feat for a Democrat at the State level. (But then my personal attorney was also the Republican ND AG for a number of years, whose incompetence & inattention cost me to lose a house I owned there)

    Her main problem was typical Republican attacks on a woman's ability to be in a position of authority (except when she's one of theirs, of course). I hate when Republicans attack women based on gender stereotypes, just like they routinely do with Hillary Clinton, and this is what Heitkamp has faced in the past.

    But I was curious why this was considered an upset, since ND is as likely to elect a Democrat to the US Senate as a Republican.

    Ex_Mil8 posted a link to a very good article. There really is such a thing as "North Dakota Nice." Upper Minnesota has it, too, both places settled largely by Norwegians & Germans. They may be politically conservative if you force them to choose sides on an issue in an election, like gay marriage, yet if they meet a gay (like me) they will have you sit down with them for dinner. And have you speak the lesson from the pulpit in a Lutheran church, as I often did myself, with my BF sitting in the front pew.

    So this mention of Heitkamp as an upset race interested me. I could see it going either way. She'd be replacing a Democratic Senator (whom I also knew), so that's to her benefit. But I see that Republicans are running their usual ideological lies against her, and those often play well in ND, forcing voters to make an emotional values choice, not a practical one. I'll want to watch the outcome of this contest.


    Yes I knew of the Clinton-coined "Team North Dakota" Conrad & Dorgan as Dem Senators and Earl (the Pearl) Pomeroy as the at large Dem Congressman. I guess I saw the state moving to its traditional national presidential preference with Jack Dalrymple as the GOP governor and former Gov. John Hoeven now Senator. As a woman, Heidi faces an uphill climb ther ein addition to being a Dem. But she has a long state tenure as AG and a winning personality. Heidi - for the Greatland!
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    Oct 09, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    NJDewd said
    ART_DECO said
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    ART_DECO said
    NJDewd saidHeidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R)...

    Why? Just curious, I used to live there, met her a few times.

    From what I read it is a close race in a very reliably Republican state. She dropped out of the governor's race in 2000 against John Hoeven (the other US Senator from ND) because of breast cancer. She supposedly has a much better persona than Rick Berg. ND has elected Democrats as you know too!

    The odd thing is the way ND splits its votes. The Statehouse in Bismarck (the building a marvelous example of Federal Deco, BTW) usually goes Republican.

    But for much of the time I lived there the Congressional delegation they sent to Washington was Democratic. Of course that's only a total of 3 in Congress: the required 2 Senators, and just 1 House member, because of the low State population of only 650,000. In ND it's actually more exclusive to be their single Congressman than a Senator, all 3 of the offices decided by state-wide races.

    Heitkamp was always well-liked, enough to get her elected State Attorney General for a number of years, a difficult feat for a Democrat at the State level. (But then my personal attorney was also the Republican ND AG for a number of years, whose incompetence & inattention cost me to lose a house I owned there)

    Her main problem was typical Republican attacks on a woman's ability to be in a position of authority (except when she's one of theirs, of course). I hate when Republicans attack women based on gender stereotypes, just like they routinely do with Hillary Clinton, and this is what Heitkamp has faced in the past.

    But I was curious why this was considered an upset, since ND is as likely to elect a Democrat to the US Senate as a Republican.

    Ex_Mil8 posted a link to a very good article. There really is such a thing as "North Dakota Nice." Upper Minnesota has it, too, both places settled largely by Norwegians & Germans. They may be politically conservative if you force them to choose sides on an issue in an election, like gay marriage, yet if they meet a gay (like me) they will have you sit down with them for dinner. And have you speak the lesson from the pulpit in a Lutheran church, as I often did myself, with my BF sitting in the front pew.

    So this mention of Heitkamp as an upset race interested me. I could see it going either way. She'd be replacing a Democratic Senator (whom I also knew), so that's to her benefit. But I see that Republicans are running their usual ideological lies against her, and those often play well in ND, forcing voters to make an emotional values choice, not a practical one. I'll want to watch the outcome of this contest.


    Yes I knew of the Clinton-coined "Team North Dakota" Conrad & Dorgan as Dem Senators and Earl (the Pearl) Pomeroy as the at large Dem Congressman. I guess I saw the state moving to its traditional national presidential preference with Jack Dalrymple as the GOP governor and former Gov. John Hoeven now Senator. As a woman, Heidi faces an uphill climb ther ein addition to being a Dem. But she has a long state tenure as AG and a winning personality. Heidi - for the Greatland!



    This race was written off for the Democrats in the beginning. Now she has a legitimate shot of winning. Saw her on Chris Matthews' show not long ago and I really like her (meaning....move to Florida-kick out Rubio!).
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    Oct 20, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
    Latest ND polls - Heidi tied with Rick Berg!!!! Go Heidi...North Dakota First!
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    Oct 25, 2012 11:42 AM GMT
    Now, how about Joe Donnelly over Richard Mourdock in Indiana. Race was tight before the comment!!
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    Oct 25, 2012 11:47 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidScott Brown retains his seat over Elizabeth (Cherokee) Warren


    Bahahahahah I'm sorry that is not happening.
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    Nov 03, 2012 1:01 PM GMT
    From a GOP pollster: Indiana is over: Donnelly leading Republican Dick Mourdock (Howey-DePauw Poll) 47-36. Congrats Sen. Donnelly!
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    Nov 07, 2012 11:36 AM GMT
    Heidi Heitkamp in ND over Rick Berg (R) - I called it!!... AND SHES LEADING!! ART DECO, even you wouldnt have believed it!! And Joe Donnelly wins over Richard Mourdock in Indiana.
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    Nov 07, 2012 12:11 PM GMT
    Oooooh Some-Body done got their Clocks cleaned in the US Senate icon_biggrin.gif

    Wanna call it a legitimate Rape?
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    Nov 07, 2012 12:45 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidScott Brown retains his seat over Elizabeth (Cherokee) Warren


    Guess the Cherokee women prevailed. Have you been correct on any of your picks so far?