Mixed issues, African American vs Latino.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 8:05 AM GMT
    yes I'm posting yet again, but only because of another post referring to Latino's sharing their culture and what not, I mentioned that my Father was 100% Mexican, mostly of Spanish descent because of his white skin green eyes and blonde hair, most Latino people haven't really welcomed me into that part of my culture at all, however African American culture has been more them welcoming to me (my mother is mixed but appear mostly black) in fact most black people seem very happy that I consider myself apart of their culture, where as Mexican people kind of have this "how dare you think your one of us" mentality, which is so so ignorant. why(speaking from my own experiences) is some Latino culture so exclusive if your not pure blooded?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 8:10 AM GMT
    Well, Latinos come in all varieties like Americans. Not every one of us is the typical brown mestizo, eh? Some of us are as white as the palest people in Europe and North America. Others are totally negrito. Many are partially or fully Native American or indigenous. Then there are plenty who are partially or fully Asian. Not to mention all the people who are a mix of a bunch of things. No one is pure anything, not even the criollos as much as they like to believe so.

    All in all, who cares what others think? They sound like people not worth being around if they're going to exclude you for looking different.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 8:44 AM GMT
    nicodegallo saidWell, Latinos come in all varieties like Americans. Not every one of us is the typical brown mestizo, eh? Some of us are as white as the palest people in Europe and North America. Others are totally negrito. Many are partially or fully Native American or indigenous. Then there are plenty who are partially or fully Asian. Not to mention all the people who are a mix of a bunch of things. No one is pure anything, not even the criollos as much as they like to believe so.

    All in all, who cares what others think? They sound like people not worth being around if they're going to exclude you for looking different.



    I don't think you read my description properly, I'm fully aware of this hahaha, thank you so much for your anwser anyways, my father is 100% mexican but WHITE mexican hahahaha, so I'm fully aware that they can look different. but latino culture vs black culture I notce black culture embraces you regardless of what you do or don't look like so long as you claim the culture. were as a lot of hispanic culture doesn't include at all in anything because you don't speak spanish or are familiar with some things, that fact is I'm curious about a lot in terms of that part of my heritage, but always felt excluded and never a part of that side of my culture.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 8:50 AM GMT
    I don't really pay attention to that stuff because I personally don't care about trying to fit into a racial/ethnic/cultural clique. I mean, the only advantage I seem to have with most Hispanics is that I speak Spanish, but it's not like I'm trying to keep a group of them just for the sake of maintaining our Hispanicness, lol. I don't know, but I like variety in my friends.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:10 AM GMT
    nicodegallo saidI don't really pay attention to that stuff because I personally don't care about trying to fit into a racial/ethnic/cultural clique. I mean, the only advantage I seem to have with most Hispanics is that I speak Spanish, but it's not like I'm trying to keep a group of them just for the sake of maintaining our Hispanicness, lol. I don't know, but I like variety in my friends.


    bahahaha once more you don't understand what i'm saying, how you read how diverse my background is??? i'm black, mexican, native american and some white(swedish) everybody in my family looks different, I'm talking about culture or wanting to included in activities pertaining to my culture, where did you get all my friends need to be this one way??? not calling me diverse is a huge insult to me my god.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:16 AM GMT
    Frankly, I´m still not even sure what you´re really on about. You´re whining that Latinos don´t want you in their "cultural activities" because they don´t think of you as one of them whereas the blacks seem to embrace you with full arms even if you´re amount of African heritage is minimal. OK, so you got one group that likes you. That´s good.

    So what more do you need? Mexicans, Swedes, and Native Americans who will take you like the blacks? I don´t see how their acceptance/unacceptance should hinder you from engaging in cultural activities that interest you.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:21 AM GMT
    nicodegallo saidFrankly, I´m still not even sure what you´re really on about. You´re whining that Latinos don´t want you in their "cultural activities" because they don´t think of you as one of them whereas the blacks seem to embrace you with full arms even if you´re amount of African heritage is minimal. OK, so you got one group that likes you. That´s good.

    So what more do you need? Mexicans, Swedes, and Native Americans who will take you like the blacks? I don´t see how their acceptance/unacceptance should hinder you from engaging in cultural activities that interest you.


    thanks for trying hahahaha, ^_^
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:23 AM GMT
    Maybe you can start your own Mexican-Black-Native American-Swedish club and see what kinds of things you can put together. Otherwise, I don't think you're going to be too satisfied icon_rolleyes.gif

    For the record, I'm avoiding answering your question about Latino exclusion because I'm not here on behalf of all Latinos to give possible reasons.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:28 AM GMT
    So the OP's dad is ethnically European/Spanish, but culturally Mexican.

    Kinda reminds me of that story where a guy was rejected for an African-American scholarship. He was born in South Africa and became a US citizen. But he's white. icon_lol.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:32 AM GMT
    I'm a mix of a bunch of things, but I was born in Spain and got stuck with an Andalusian accent when I speak Spanish. I know any kind of Spaniard accent tends to rub Latinos the wrong way while others like to make fun of it, but hey, it is what it is. I can laugh about it too.

    Filling out race/ethnicity sections of any kind of paperwork is quite troublesome! I usually leave those things blank or mark a big X over the whole section to make a statement, lol.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 9:36 AM GMT
    xrichx saidSo the OP's dad is ethnically European/Spanish, but culturally Mexican.

    Kinda reminds me of that story where a guy was rejected for an African-American scholarship. He was born in South Africa and became a US citizen. But he's white. icon_lol.gif


    Haha! A real African by nationality versus an African-American whose family has probably been in the US for generations.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 10:24 AM GMT
    Daveyarri20 saidyes I'm posting yet again, but only because of another post referring to Latino's sharing their culture and what not, I mentioned that my Father was 100% Mexican, mostly of Spanish descent because of his white skin green eyes and blonde hair, most Latino people haven't really welcomed me into that part of my culture at all, however African American culture has been more them welcoming to me (my mother is mixed but appear mostly black) in fact most black people seem very happy that I consider myself apart of their culture, where as Mexican people kind of have this "how dare you think your one of us" mentality, which is so so ignorant. why(speaking from my own experiences) is some Latino culture so exclusive if your not pure blooded?


    I don't know why specifically some Latinos feel a greater sense of worth and pride than others. Hell, I am not sure why any human feels they are somehow 'better' than another human, period. I will say though, in my own experience, I deal with a similar kind of attitude from Persians (specifically Irani) and Arabs. Both of these sides of me think they're better than anyone else-- even other Persians or Arabs. Iranis refuse to recognize that "Persian" isn't exclusive to Iran. Levantine Arabs sometimes think they're better because they feel their ancestors are from Phoenicia and Canaan-- which were both precursor people to Jews, not Arabs per se. Either way, I think Black people, for me, have been far more accommodating and kind to me because they don't give as much of a shit about the cultural and skin-color divides like some other people do. In my experience, they have shown far more sincerity and kindness than my own people have to me. I think that's why I like 'em better sometimes more so than my own people. :/

    *Shrugs* Just sharing my thoughts.
  • FitGwynedd

    Posts: 1468

    Oct 08, 2012 10:50 AM GMT
    nicodegallo saidI'm a mix of a bunch of things, but I was born in Spain and got stuck with an Andalusian accent when I speak Spanish. I know any kind of Spaniard accent tends to rub Latinos the wrong way while others like to make fun of it, but hey, it is what it is. I can laugh about it too.

    Filling out race/ethnicity sections of any kind of paperwork is quite troublesome! I usually leave those things blank or mark a big X over the whole section to make a statement, lol.


    I write down Celtic in the "other" section
  • FitGwynedd

    Posts: 1468

    Oct 08, 2012 10:50 AM GMT
    ParadiseLost said
    Daveyarri20 saidyes I'm posting yet again, but only because of another post referring to Latino's sharing their culture and what not, I mentioned that my Father was 100% Mexican, mostly of Spanish descent because of his white skin green eyes and blonde hair, most Latino people haven't really welcomed me into that part of my culture at all, however African American culture has been more them welcoming to me (my mother is mixed but appear mostly black) in fact most black people seem very happy that I consider myself apart of their culture, where as Mexican people kind of have this "how dare you think your one of us" mentality, which is so so ignorant. why(speaking from my own experiences) is some Latino culture so exclusive if your not pure blooded?


    I don't know why specifically some Latinos feel a greater sense of worth and pride than others. Hell, I am not sure why any human feels they are somehow 'better' than another human, period. I will say though, in my own experience, I deal with a similar kind of attitude from Persians (specifically Irani) and Arabs. Both of these sides of me think they're better than anyone else-- even other Persians or Arabs. Iranis refuse to recognize that "Persian" isn't exclusive to Iran. Levantine Arabs sometimes think they're better because they feel their ancestors are from Phoenicia and Canaan-- which were both precursor people to Jews, not Arabs per se. Either way, I think Black people, for me, have been far more accommodating and kind to me because they don't give as much of a shit about the cultural and skin-color divides like some other people do. In my experience, they have shown far more sincerity and kindness than my own people have to me. I think that's why I like 'em better sometimes more so than my own people. :/

    *Shrugs* Just sharing my thoughts.


    Well put
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 12:26 PM GMT
    Messicans are a whole deefferent breed of peeple.

    Latin = Southern Messican.

    *runs out of thread* icon_razz.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    ParadiseLost said
    Daveyarri20 saidyes I'm posting yet again, but only because of another post referring to Latino's sharing their culture and what not, I mentioned that my Father was 100% Mexican, mostly of Spanish descent because of his white skin green eyes and blonde hair, most Latino people haven't really welcomed me into that part of my culture at all, however African American culture has been more them welcoming to me (my mother is mixed but appear mostly black) in fact most black people seem very happy that I consider myself apart of their culture, where as Mexican people kind of have this "how dare you think your one of us" mentality, which is so so ignorant. why(speaking from my own experiences) is some Latino culture so exclusive if your not pure blooded?


    I don't know why specifically some Latinos feel a greater sense of worth and pride than others. Hell, I am not sure why any human feels they are somehow 'better' than another human, period. I will say though, in my own experience, I deal with a similar kind of attitude from Persians (specifically Irani) and Arabs. Both of these sides of me think they're better than anyone else-- even other Persians or Arabs. Iranis refuse to recognize that "Persian" isn't exclusive to Iran. Levantine Arabs sometimes think they're better because they feel their ancestors are from Phoenicia and Canaan-- which were both precursor people to Jews, not Arabs per se. Either way, I think Black people, for me, have been far more accommodating and kind to me because they don't give as much of a shit about the cultural and skin-color divides like some other people do. In my experience, they have shown far more sincerity and kindness than my own people have to me. I think that's why I like 'em better sometimes more so than my own people. :/

    *Shrugs* Just sharing my thoughts.


    You always give the best answers relating to my issues, thank you, I'm actually not suprised to hear that about Persian culture I have few Persian friends and they seem just as exclusive and defensive about their culture and offended easily, but it's perfectly fine to talk mess about everyone else which is hilarious and I call them out on it. Yeah I guess the privilege of being a mutt is you can leave the B.S one culture gives where as somebody who 100% something has to put up with t and be forced to like it or be proud of it because they have no other options. so culturally I relate more to my African american heritage vs Mexican, I'm proud to be( hell mostly mexican )because my father isn't even mixed like my mothers he's full blooded, but I'll say half because I'm to detached from the culture, but I love "dia de los muertos" and the food n stuff like that.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    xrichx saidSo the OP's dad is ethnically European/Spanish, but culturally Mexican.

    Kinda reminds me of that story where a guy was rejected for an African-American scholarship. He was born in South Africa and became a US citizen. But he's white. icon_lol.gif


    Thats actually really interesting, well my aunts an uncles are more mexican looking but have european feature still like green eyes and what not, light hair is not strictly european but in that case I'm sure that's where that's from. Thats a really funny story, not sure what to think of it, hahahaha, It's probably not in his current genetics, or birth certificate, but it's cool and different that he see's himself the same way,
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    Like others have said, and I'm sure you know already, Latino is not a racial term but a cultural and geographic one.

    Me thinks, the reason you believe you haven't been embraced by the Latino community is because you have very few ties to them (us). Just because your dad is Mexican doesn't mean you have grown up surrounded by the cultural norms of Hispanic culture. And that means more than just speaking Spanish. Trust me, my Spanish is HORRIBLE, yet fully feel and embrace the Hispanic culture. It's just something I grew up with, so all the little stories, jokes, food, etc that you see in the Hispanic thread, I am able to laugh and remise about. And you specifically singled out Mexicans as the ones excluding you, are you sure they were all Mexican? If not, then that is another mistake by you. Hispanics don't lump each other in homogenous categories like non-Hispanics do. It looks like you really don't know much about the culture.....

    It seems like you are just, metaphorically speaking, walking in and demanding that just because my dad is Mexican I want to be part of your club. Without you knowing what the Latino experience is here in the United States. While you can techincally speaking be considered Latino because of your dad, you don't have the cultural understanding to be accepted by us. Just because you look Latino doesn't you actually are one. You seem to be fixated on appearance. Go to Argentina and see how they look there. Then go to the Dominican Republic. It's not about race.


    I dunno. That's just my opinion. And you managed to annoy Nico, who is one of the nicest guys on here, so that's not a good sign either....icon_neutral.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidI dunno. That's just my opinion. And you managed to annoy Nico, who is one of the nicest guys on here, so that's not a good sign either....icon_neutral.gif


    No kidding! It takes a lot to bug me. Although I do have my moments, so perhaps that was one of those moments. I was feeling a bit moody at the time because I couldn't sleep icon_confused.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 6:35 PM GMT
    Cheer up! Let's go enjoy some enchiladas in the other thread. icon_biggrin.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 6:36 PM GMT
    xrichx saidCheer up! Let's go enjoy some enchiladas in the the thread. icon_biggrin.gif


    In spirit of the OPs heritage, perhaps enchiladas, fried chicken, Swedish meatballs, and frybread are in order?
  • TheBizMan

    Posts: 4091

    Oct 08, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidLike others have said, and I'm sure you know already, Latino is not a racial term but a cultural and geographic one.

    Me thinks, the reason you believe you haven't been embraced by the Latino community is because you have very few ties to them (us). Just because your dad is Mexican doesn't mean you have grown up surrounded by the cultural norms of Hispanic culture. And that means more than just speaking Spanish. Trust me, my Spanish is HORRIBLE, yet fully feel and embrace the Hispanic culture. It's just something I grew up with, so all the little stories, jokes, food, etc that you see in the Hispanic thread, I am able to laugh and remise about. And you specifically singled out Mexicans as the ones excluding you, are you sure they were all Mexican? If not, then that is another mistake by you. Hispanics don't lump each other in homogenous categories like non-Hispanics do. It looks like you really don't know much about the culture.....

    It seems like you are just, metaphorically speaking, walking in and demanding that just because my dad is Mexican I want to be part of your club. Without you knowing what the Latino experience is here in the United States. While you can techincally speaking be considered Latino because of your dad, you don't have the cultural understanding to be accepted by us. Just because you look Latino doesn't you actually are one. You seem to be fixated on appearance. Go to Argentina and see how they look there. Then go to the Dominican Republic. It's not about race.


    I dunno. That's just my opinion. And you managed to annoy Nico, who is one of the nicest guys on here, so that's not a good sign either....icon_neutral.gif


    I agree with this.

    I am genetically Black (African American) and Colombian (Latino) split equally 50/50, and yet I relate very little to either culture because I was not raised around either side of my family. This has allowed me to develop my own personal culture where I make the rules.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    jmusmc85 saidLike others have said, and I'm sure you know already, Latino is not a racial term but a cultural and geographic one.

    Me thinks, the reason you believe you haven't been embraced by the Latino community is because you have very few ties to them (us). Just because your dad is Mexican doesn't mean you have grown up surrounded by the cultural norms of Hispanic culture. And that means more than just speaking Spanish. Trust me, my Spanish is HORRIBLE, yet fully feel and embrace the Hispanic culture. It's just something I grew up with, so all the little stories, jokes, food, etc that you see in the Hispanic thread, I am able to laugh and remise about. And you specifically singled out Mexicans as the ones excluding you, are you sure they were all Mexican? If not, then that is another mistake by you. Hispanics don't lump each other in homogenous categories like non-Hispanics do. It looks like you really don't know much about the culture.....

    It seems like you are just, metaphorically speaking, walking in and demanding that just because my dad is Mexican I want to be part of your club. Without you knowing what the Latino experience is here in the United States. While you can techincally speaking be considered Latino because of your dad, you don't have the cultural understanding to be accepted by us. Just because you look Latino doesn't you actually are one. You seem to be fixated on appearance. Go to Argentina and see how they look there. Then go to the Dominican Republic. It's not about race.


    I dunno. That's just my opinion. And you managed to annoy Nico, who is one of the nicest guys on here, so that's not a good sign either....icon_neutral.gif


    I agree with this.

    I am genetically Black (African American) and Colombian (Latino) split equally 50/50, and yet I relate very little to either culture because I was not raised around either side of my family. This has allowed me to develop my own personal culture where I make the rules.


    I totally think that bitch Zoe Saldana stole your part in Colombiana!!!!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
    Is it sad I thought about changing my screen name to Squashedenchilida as a homage to JP? icon_biggrin.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 08, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    I see myself as not belonging to any particular group. I was born in Spain and have a Spaniard accent when I speak Spanish. However, most of my mom's family is from San Antonio, TX and Mexico while my dad's family is from the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia. I didn't have much contact with either side of my family because my parents had limited ties to their families as adults. I basically associated myself with neighborhood friends and classmates growing up.

    Speaking Spanish has definitely made it easier for me to make some Hispanic friends although I have plenty of Hispanic friends who speak only English. However, most of the Latinos here in the DC area are Salvadoreans, Bolivians, and Peruvians. I've never known too many Mexicans here. Truth be told, I'm probably more familiar with their customs and habits than with the Mexicans and Spaniards because I've been around more of them than with people of my own heritage.