PUTIN ACCUSES US OF ORCHESTRATING GEOGIAN WAR...

  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 28, 2008 5:04 PM GMT
    The implication he makes is .. it was orchestrated to benefit McCain.
    I think most people would find this a little over the top... but with the Iraqi
    "manipulation" by Bush, is it really that outragious a claim?
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    Aug 28, 2008 7:01 PM GMT
    of course blame the US for everything. Lame.
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:11 PM GMT
    I'd say it is a pretty outrageous claim.

    Putin does, however inadvertently, bring up a question that I've been wondering about since the conflict flared back up. I wonder if the reason that Saakashvili thought it would be a good idea to use force is similar to the reason that Iraq decided to invade Kuwait in the early '90s. If anyone remembers, one of the primary reasons that Iraq went ahead with its invasion was because the Bush I administration was sending signals--again, however inadvertently--that it would not push back against the invasion. It was decidedly more of a situation of "sending signals by omission," but I wonder if a situation of that sort caused Saakashvili to use force against S.Ossetia. In this case it would certainly be the opposite signals, in which the Americans and NATO sent signals through diplomats that they would be more amenable to using force to back up Georgia, but I'm curious in the ensuing years whether information of that nature will surface.
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
    Any foreign disturbance benefits McCain, because McCain is the stronger leader with foreign policy issues. It hurts Obama because he has no experience or balls to stand up for America and everyone knows it.
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
    UmustBon1 saidAny foreign disturbance benefits McCain, because McCain is the stronger leader with foreign policy issues. It hurts Obama because he has no experience or balls to stand up for America and everyone knows it.


    You're absolutely right, everyone knows that. I mean hell, I know it; that's why I'm voting for him. I just love a candidate who I think is going to run my country into the ground. Also, I hate America, so I'm voting for Obama. Oh yeah, he's a muslim too, amirite?! [/sarcasm]

    Please speak only for yourself, and not everyone else.
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:44 PM GMT
    Of course, Putins assertion is totally bogus...but as badly as the Georgian invasion went you would think it was planned by our military. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:58 PM GMT
    UmustBon1 saidAny foreign disturbance benefits McCain, because McCain is the stronger leader with foreign policy issues. It hurts Obama because he has no experience or balls to stand up for America and everyone knows it.


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    Aug 28, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    I was speaking for myself. Do you think I would speak for you? I don't even know your language. I don't speak dumb liberal.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    Putin is trying to deflect criticism and manipulate anti-American sentiment is his favor. The scary part is that our standing in the world has sunk so low that people might actually believe it. Rove and his acolytes are clever, but their reach is not so pervasive.

    My understanding from reading a few international news sources and a great article in the Guardian was that the conflict was over west Asian oil pipeline and struggles for control over it.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    UmustBon1 saidI was speaking for myself. Do you think I would speak for you? I don't even know your language. I don't speak dumb liberal.


    There's nothing stupider than a smug right-winger.

    Why don't you go back to FreeRepublic where you belong, jerk?
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:22 PM GMT
    You are right it is all about the pipeline. I can't help but notice you always mention Rove. I didn't know commentators no longer in office had so much power.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    UmustBon1 saidI was speaking for myself. Do you think I would speak for you? I don't even know your language. I don't speak dumb liberal.


    Really? That's your reply?
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:24 PM GMT
    Chewey_Delt said
    UmustBon1 saidI was speaking for myself. Do you think I would speak for you? I don't even know your language. I don't speak dumb liberal.


    Really? That's your reply?


    Chewey, remember: Don't Feed The Trolls.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    Dear BonBon,

    While you don't speak dumb liberal (amongst a number of languages I suspect you don't speak) you do give new dimension and emphasis to dumb. As a lifelong conservative I would rather suck Osama Bin Laden's cock than be seen at some IHOP with a douchabag like you.

    Sincerely,
    Terry

    UmustBon1 saidI was speaking for myself. Do you think I would speak for you? I don't even know your language. I don't speak dumb liberal.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:26 PM GMT
    Spot on.

    NNJfitandbi saidI have this strange feeling that we're (meaning the world is) in a situation like right before WWI.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    It is people like you that have made the word "stupider" a real word. It should be more stupid.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    UmustBon1 saidIt is people like you that have made the word "stupider" a real word. It should be more stupid.


    I'll take your word for it. You are certainly the expert on stupid.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:30 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    Chewey_Delt said
    UmustBon1 saidI was speaking for myself. Do you think I would speak for you? I don't even know your language. I don't speak dumb liberal.


    Really? That's your reply?


    Chewey, remember: Don't Feed The Trolls.


    Even poison?
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    URSAMAJOR,

    I have read many of your posts. You are NOT a conservative.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 28, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    Well checking back here and glad we have a spirited conversation going......

    I was curious if the Putin remark occurred since McCain is such a strong supporter of Georgia.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    UmustBon1URSAMAJOR,

    I have read many of your posts. You are NOT a conservative.


    And you are NOT listening. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:50 PM GMT
    Georgia has sacrificed so much for its democracy. I don’t see how we can turn a blind eye to these suffering people.
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    Aug 28, 2008 9:52 PM GMT
    Putin's comment seems pretty unguarded and somewhat careless.

    Of course, the case that was made to justify the attack on Iraq is kinda' out there, too.

    So, his otherwise groundless charge isn't so far-fetched to me.
    -a
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    Aug 28, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    UmustBon1 saidGeorgia has sacrificed so much for its democracy. I don’t see how we can turn a blind eye to these suffering people.


    If you're so concerned about suffering people, you might exercise some compassion on the people who have to listen to your inanities and shut the hell up.
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    Aug 28, 2008 10:09 PM GMT
    The implication that a nation would potentially instigate WWIII for a US election is preposterous! I wouldn't not say the US was involved in Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia but solely for McCain?!? No, that's truly over-the-top.