fat free cheese - good or bad?

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    Oct 08, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
    is fat free cheese a good source of protein or is it misleading to call cheese fat free. the label says no fat and 5 grams of protein per slice.
  • Bunjamon

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    Oct 09, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    Just eat less real cheese, and drink more skim milk. You'll get calcium and protein, but still ENJOY your cheese.
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:12 AM GMT
    goat cheese is the best thing when it comes to dieting in my opinion.
  • prototype

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    Oct 09, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    Its kinda like diet soda...

    The more you think its doing less harm to your diet, really you're actually making it worse because moderation is no longer considered.


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    Oct 09, 2012 3:24 AM GMT

    Fat Free cheese = Fat Free milk.

    Now, does that sound anything wrong or weird to you? 26.gif
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
    I use Kraft's shredded fat free cheese in place of regular cheese all the time. Sure it takes a while to get used to, but to get all of the protein but none of the fat (and far fewer calories) is awesome.

    The above comment (from Prototype) assumes that everyone is stupid enough to lose grasp of moderation, which isn't the case for everyone (and, I suspect, certainly not the case of most people concerned with "gay fitness, health, & life") so as long as you're not overindulging, then it is a MUCH healthier replacement.
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:24 AM GMT
    I haven't had it in years since it turned plastic-y when melted and tasted real artificial - not sure if they've improved on that since. Now I avoid cheese almost altogether, treating myself to the real stuff monthly, if that. Same with margarine/butter.
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    Oct 09, 2012 9:03 AM GMT
    Just eat real cheese if you want to eat cheese. It's full of protein and calcium. Just don't overeat it.
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    Oct 09, 2012 9:10 AM GMT
    Jaxe saidJust eat real cheese if you want to eat cheese. It's full of protein and calcium. Just don't overeat it.


    + exactly as he says!
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    Oct 09, 2012 9:14 AM GMT
    I love cheese!! +48 Goudse!!
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    Oct 09, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    I've even seen heathy lifestyle cooks use fat-free cheese in severe moderation. The stuff is too gross even for their plates.
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
    Jaxe saidJust eat real cheese if you want to eat cheese. It's full of protein and calcium. Just don't overeat it.


    Agreed. If you're just restricting calories, this is the best advice.

    If you're on a low fat diet, the question is, why. As a vehicle towards eliminating blood lipid issues/fat/metabolic syndrome, the low fat/higher carb diet has basically been proven to be nonsense and in some instances quite counterproductive. It's carbs (not fatty or even cholesterol-laden foods) that screw up your blood lipids. The Ornish diet actually makes most folks' blood lipids WORSE.
  • imbrad

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    Oct 09, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    i want my diet the same as my men and that is NOT fat free! icon_biggrin.gif
  • TAG06

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    Oct 09, 2012 5:22 PM GMT
    Bad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal

    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.
  • Medjai

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    Oct 09, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
    TAG06 saidBad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal

    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.


    So we should stop nursing babies too, since human milk would also, by extension, be carcinogenic?

    I'd like to see the actual studies linking casein to any type of cancer. I'll even drop dairy instead of cheating with lactase pills if you can.
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
    TAG06 saidBad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal

    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.


    Just to let you know (as someone who has studied cancer and works in Oncology) that was not the best study conducted! The rats which were the test subjects in that case were fed a 20% casein diet for 5 weeks straight. I highly doubt anyone here is going to eat 20% Casein daily for 5 weeks straight.

    Also Casein is healthy by the fact it shows antimutagenic effects.

    Almost everything now a day is a carcinogen! Please dont let this scare you.

    PS- Whey protein has actually been shown to prevent colon tumors icon_biggrin.gif
  • Medjai

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    Oct 09, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    RadRTT said
    TAG06 saidBad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal

    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.


    Just to let you know (as someone who has studied cancer and works in Oncology) that was not the best study conducted! The rats which were the test subjects in that case were fed a 20% casein diet for 5 weeks straight. I highly doubt anyone here is going to eat 20% Casein daily for 5 weeks straight.

    Also Casein is healthy by the fact it shows antimutagenic effects.

    Almost everything now a day is a carcinogen! Please dont let this scare you.

    PS- Whey protein has actually been shown to prevent colon tumors icon_biggrin.gif


    Just a note, a lot of things have been shown to be a potential cancer risk, whereas very few things have been known to actually cause cancer (asbestos, benzene, radiation, etc.) huge difference.

    Fun fact, the chemical in potatoes and apples that makes them go brown have been called a cancer risk? Makes sense too. It's a benzene ring with two hydroxyls on the 1' and 2' carbons. Structurally similar.
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:45 PM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidThere is nothing good about the phrase "fat-free cheese."


    We don't agree on a whole lot, but you really nailed this one dude.
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:46 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    RadRTT said
    TAG06 saidBad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal

    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.


    Just to let you know (as someone who has studied cancer and works in Oncology) that was not the best study conducted! The rats which were the test subjects in that case were fed a 20% casein diet for 5 weeks straight. I highly doubt anyone here is going to eat 20% Casein daily for 5 weeks straight.

    Also Casein is healthy by the fact it shows antimutagenic effects.

    Almost everything now a day is a carcinogen! Please dont let this scare you.

    PS- Whey protein has actually been shown to prevent colon tumors icon_biggrin.gif


    Just a note, a lot of things have been shown to be a potential cancer risk, whereas very few things have been known to actually cause cancer (asbestos, benzene, radiation, etc.) huge difference.

    Fun fact, the chemical in potatoes and apples that makes them go brown have been called a cancer risk? Makes sense too. It's a benzene ring with two hydroxyls on the 1' and 2' carbons. Structurally similar.


    I know, Im a radiation therapist...I give radiation to treat cancer...yet it also gives it which is a very low percentage by the way
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidThere is nothing good about the phrase "fat-free cheese."

    True - except for fat free ricotta cheese (which isn't like regular cheese, although it is natural). Has 90 calories and 12 grams of protein per 1/2 cup (a rather large serving). Since it is like paste, you probably have to spread it on something.

    Otherwise, all natural cheeses have a lot of fat in them, which is why they taste so good. If you're trying to decrease fat intake, you just have to limit the amount of cheese you eat, or how often. But I would never give it up completely.

    There are much better sources of protein than cheese.
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    Oct 09, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
    I have some special fat free cheese. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 09, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    TAG06 saidBad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal
    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.

    I think you need a treat to this...~ they all look seriously delicious! icon_wink.gif


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    Oct 10, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI have some special fat free cheese. icon_biggrin.gif

    Oderiferous, I presume?
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    Oct 10, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    eat your cheese people, it tastes good and its not all that bad for you
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    Oct 10, 2012 7:54 AM GMT
    TAG06 saidBad. All cheese is bad. "Casein [the main protein found in dairy], in fact, is the most 'relevant' chemical carcinogen ever identified; its cancer-producing effects occur in animals at consumption levels close to normal—strikingly unlike cancer-causing environmental chemicals that are fed to lab animals at a few hundred or even a few thousand times their normal levels of consumption." - T. Colin Campbell, PhD. in The Wall Street Journal

    Plus the dairy industry is inhumane and destructive to the planet. You can in fact, despite popular mythology, get all the protein you need from a plant based diet.


    I doubt that. Dairy is cow's milk. And humans also produce milk for human infants. So wouldn't human milk be carcinogenic as well?

    "Human milk contains two types of proteins: whey and casein. Approximately 60% is whey, while 40% is casein."

    http://www.americanpregnancy.org/firstyearoflife/whatsinbreastmilk.html