Gay Rights Pioneer Del Martin Dies at 87-who cares?

  • jc_online

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    Aug 28, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
    Del and her partner Phyllis were together for 55 years! Their lives, committment to each other, and work on all of our behalfs, should be passed along from us to future generations.

    Del was one of a core group that lobbied the Psychiatric Association to drop homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders. For that fact alone, she should be remembered by name forever.

    That's my 2 cents. What do any of you think? How many new of her before she passed away this week?

    I have been very concerned for years that the currnet 20-something generation and those yet to mature will lose, or never know, the details of the lgbt rights struggle. Learn what you can, and pass along your knowledge.
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:02 PM GMT
    Del and Phyllis are a true American love story: warriors, lovers, poets - the whole thing. God bless this. They are the original badass granny-grrlls. Their legacy has affected millions of people all over the world.
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    Aug 28, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    jc_online saidDel was one of a core group that lobbied the Psychiatric Association to drop homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders. For that fact alone, she should be remembered by name forever.


    I didn't know that; thank you for sharing.
    And you are right... for just that alone, we are truly indebted to her.


  • EricLA

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    Aug 28, 2008 10:24 PM GMT
    Passing down our history is important. We've probably lost a lot already. But, I'm really looking forward to Gus Van Sant's upcoming "Milk" starring Sean Penn. Versions of this movie have been in development for a very long time, but never made it to the screen.

    I had just turned 12 years old and lived south of San Francisco when Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone were assassinated in Nov. '78. I remember then City Supervisor Dianne Feinstein's announcement that both were dead. I remember the candlelight march of 1000s of people for both of them that night. I already had a sense I might be gay at that time, though I wasn't entirely sure what that meant. I had mixed feelings, because on one hand Milk's death made me think that being out gay and proud could get you killed. But, seeing all those 1000s of people march that night made me realize that not everyone felt that way.
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    Aug 28, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    Sorry but who?

    Well I was also one of the people whom lobbied the government to have homosexuality dropped from the mental health list. It was how the police and military got rid of their homosexual service men. So should Pattison be set in stone too?

    But it is manly men down here whom has gotten the job done, and like in the str8 world, and the women benefited.

    One of the big diffrent with the gay and lesbian communities down in Oz, and the US of A. We guys down here really have nothing to thank the lesbian community for, in so many ways, we are not one community; yet forced under the one banner.

    It's like the guys got the big parties going, did all the ground work, and made it happen, and they had been for about 10 years, and then the dyke's wanted in on the fun, as they said: we ( the guys) have more cash than them. But they wanted to keep their small party women only, yet another man's only intention, was made to let in women, while women keep women only clubs, and parties.

    So the homosexual community down here, has very little to thank the dyke's for.
  • Barricade

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    Aug 28, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    I never had heard of her until her death, But given her fight for gay rights, isn't it kinda like taking a step back to vote for politicians like McCain?icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 28, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    Who cares?! Who cares?! I'm not some huge activist or one to go mixing social circles with lesbians (...you all know it's relatively true, we don't always mix well) but I do know struggle, triumph and heroism when I see it. Anyone this day in age, gay, striaght, or what have you for being with one partner for 55 years and standing up for what they believe in for just as long needs admiration and respect. I can do nothing but stand proud and applaud this (from what knowledge I've learned) wonderful woman and thank god that we as a non-heterosexual community, especially being that I am only 25 years old and am still learning life myself, have people like this to follow in the footsteps of. That any person in our community should question the importance of this loss of a beacon of hope is absurd as faced with the struggles that we have today and yet to come. I know I may only be but a small voice in a large choir of opinion, but please people, let's never take for granted what accomplishments have been done for us large or small.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart Del for doing what is right, what is good, and what was needed all those many years and Phyllis please know that there are many many people in this world with you in their thoughts and prayers. This also goes for the nameless and voiceless people that loose their lives daily from adversity or health reasons, your lives were small steps on the larger path to equality. Thank you all.
  • farfle

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    Aug 28, 2008 11:59 PM GMT
    Yes, I did know who she was, but I had not heard of her death until now. Thank you for posting this, jc. I too fear that much of our history will be lost and am glad to seethat some 20 somethings do care about our past, and will hopefully preserve it for future generations.
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    Aug 29, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    I'm ashamed to not know who she is. But then again, the history of gay rights is still something that isn't even openly talked about in most circles.

    I know only a handful. Harvey Milk, Matthew Shepard, and Oscar Wilde are only those I can recall offhand. icon_redface.gif
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    Aug 29, 2008 12:19 AM GMT
    Heartbreaking story. I'm so glad that she was able to wed before her death. I know she more than probably didn't need the validity of our government for her relationship, but she got it. I'm so glad she did.
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    Aug 29, 2008 12:22 AM GMT
    Pattison saidSorry but who?

    Well I was also one of the people whom lobbied the government to have homosexuality dropped from the mental health list. It was how the police and military got rid of their homosexual service men. So should Pattison be set in stone too?


    Well maybe if you've done a third of the stuff she accomplished in her lifetime, your name could be set in stone too.

    From the article I just read, this woman sounded amazing. Do you really need to be so abrasive in your response? "Oh well, in my past experiences, dykes don't really do anything anyway lol"

    Regardless of where you're from, it's pretty hard to deny the fact that Del Martin accomplished a LOT. Your reply seems to be kind of a verbal shrug of indifference.

    I wish her wife the best and hopefully all of her achievements will be remembered and appreciated by everyone in the GLBT community.



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    Aug 29, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    Ironically, my roommate and I were just watching a documentary on gay history right now. There was a segment mentioning this particular movement she was involved in; she was mentioned briefly. I wanted my roommate, who is 21, to watch this because we are starting a gay & lesbian studies class at Pasadena City College next week and I wanted him to have more incite because I to believe that the 20 something generation is not very informed in the struggle people have fought to get us where we are today. He was very moved and as I predicted had no idea what life was like before 1990! (baffling, I know.)

    After the program ended I came online to check my email and coincidentally here is this article and forum post about the very subject we were just watching! I cant wait for him to take that class next week. Like many others, he has been taking his freedom for granted.

    If there is anyone who reads this who has fought the fight that allows me to be free and open about who I am; I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Your hard work will not go down in vein.
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:19 AM GMT
    Recommended reading:

    MAKING HISTORY: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, 1945-1990
    An Oral History by Eric Marcus.


    I have the first edition from 1992, I think there was a revised edition with more stories. It's about 500 pages long, but it's a great and easy read since it's broken down into chapters of about 10 pages, each telling the story of another person.

  • tinman511

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    Aug 29, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    younger Generations may be able to take alot for granted and I hope they will be able to do that. Until then we have to do our part and vote and educate and shall I say OUT and Proud.

    As a teenager looking through the highschool yearbook of an Aunt, i noticed that there were only white people in it . I asked her if It had been a private school at one time...She said "No that was before intergration"
    I said " OMG how OLD are YOU?" Little did I know that it was not that far in the past. I am glad that I was able to take for granted that color was not an issue that played a part in my friendship choices. Considering that the same school was 75-85% black when I attended, all the white really looked strange to me... I hope one day we will see the same with Gays, lesbians, trans and bi's...

    Until then Keep your faith, play safe, and register to vote....
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    Aug 29, 2008 2:39 AM GMT
    Pattison saidSorry but who?

    Thank you for reminding me why I normally just skip right over anything you post...