Rachel Maddow interviews Olson and Boies on marriage equality

  • metta

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    Oct 09, 2012 6:51 AM GMT
    Rachel Maddow interviews Olson and Boies on marriage equality


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    Oct 09, 2012 1:21 PM GMT
    Olson and Boies are so eloquent and this was just amazingly moving. They own the argument every time. Love them!

    And yes, one of the greatest lawyers of our time pushing to give us all equal rights is a Republican. That horrible horrible evil man!!
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 09, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    If only others in the republican party were that reasonable. Unfortunately, in a two party system you're voting for what the majority in your party thinks, and the majority of republicans are against gay marriage (or gay anything, really).
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    Oct 09, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIf only others in the republican party were that reasonable. Unfortunately, in a two party system you're voting for what the majority in your party thinks, and the majority of republicans are against gay marriage (or gay anything, really).


    But Olson OBVIOUSLY hates gay people because he's supporting Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their other views (inexorably attached to a larger picture of issues)...and...and, and well,... you JUST CAN'T be for gay rights and still support those two candidates! And yet, he will be one of the biggest factors in our upcoming equality, proving that you CAN be for gay rights and not be able to choose perfect candidates on every issue when there are a multiplicity of issues involved!

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    Oct 09, 2012 4:54 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    HottJoe saidIf only others in the republican party were that reasonable. Unfortunately, in a two party system you're voting for what the majority in your party thinks, and the majority of republicans are against gay marriage (or gay anything, really).


    But Olson OBVIOUSLY hates gay people because he's supporting Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their other views that are part of a large political picture...and...and, and well,... you JUST CAN'T be for gay rights and still support those two candidates! And yet, he will be one of the biggest factors in our upcoming equality!



    Of course a judge is going to argue that ONLY the courts can make a fair decision regarding minority rights. He expounded on his belief that the reason we even needed courts was because the majority would NEVER side with minority rights. The problem with that logic is that he's preaching from an ivory tower. If he stepped down onto main street he'd see that there already IS a party in which the majority sides with equal rights for minorities, and that's the democratic party.icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 09, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    HottJoe saidIf only others in the republican party were that reasonable. Unfortunately, in a two party system you're voting for what the majority in your party thinks, and the majority of republicans are against gay marriage (or gay anything, really).


    But Olson OBVIOUSLY hates gay people because he's supporting Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their other views (inexorably attached to a larger picture of issues)...and...and, and well,... you JUST CAN'T be for gay rights and still support those two candidates! And yet, he will be one of the biggest factors in our upcoming equality, proving that you CAN be for gay rights and not be able to choose perfect candidates on every issue when there are a multiplicity of issues involved!



    I don't think that Olson has stated that he will vote for Romney...unless I missed it. He said that, as a Republican, he looks for opportunities to speak to them and to encourage dialogue. There is a big difference there. I have many Republican friends...many of whom are straight. None of whom will vote for Romney primarily because of their stance on civil rights. They are not willing to cross that line. Some have told me that they would rather write in a candidate, such as Fred Karger, than vote for Romney. It is not worth the risk of putting more Scalias' on the Supreme Court. There are other issues that they disagree with them on, such as vouchers, and privatizing student loans.
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    Oct 09, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkles said
    HottJoe saidIf only others in the republican party were that reasonable. Unfortunately, in a two party system you're voting for what the majority in your party thinks, and the majority of republicans are against gay marriage (or gay anything, really).


    But Olson OBVIOUSLY hates gay people because he's supporting Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their other views (inexorably attached to a larger picture of issues)...and...and, and well,... you JUST CAN'T be for gay rights and still support those two candidates! And yet, he will be one of the biggest factors in our upcoming equality, proving that you CAN be for gay rights and not be able to choose perfect candidates on every issue when there are a multiplicity of issues involved!



    I don't think that Olson has stated that he will vote for Romney...unless I missed it. He said that, as a Republican, he looks for opportunities to speak to them and to encourage dialogue. There is a big difference there. I have many Republican friends...many of whom are straight. None of whom will vote for Romney primarily because of their stance on civil rights. They are not willing to cross that line. Some have told me that they would rather write in a candidate, such as Fred Karger, than vote for Romney. It is not worth the risk of putting more Scalias' on the Supreme Court. There are other issues that they disagree with them on, such as vouchers, and privatizing student loans.


    It was pretty clear from what Maddow said that he is supporting the Republican ticket. He served in the Bush administration as well. Pro-marriage equality advocates voted for Obama in the last election despite Obama's anti-gay marriage platform and somehow justified that it was "okay" so I don't see why someone this time around can't be pro-gay marriage and still vote for the republican ticket for economic or other reasons without suddenly becoming a "gay hater" or "self-loather"...unless, of course, you're suggesting that every gay man who voted for Obama last time around was a self-loather until just a couple months ago when Obama finally came out in support.
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    Oct 09, 2012 6:35 PM GMT
    RACHAEL MADOW IS A PANDERING IDIOT LESBIAN
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    Oct 09, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
    CDAVIS saidRACHAEL MADOW IS A PANDERING IDIOT LESBIAN


    What an intelligent, insightful opinion.
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    Oct 09, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
    CDAVIS saidRACHAEL MADOW IS A PANDERING IDIOT LESBIAN


    You're an idiot.