free speech .... but only if you're religious

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    Oct 09, 2012 10:09 AM GMT
    to me yes i do feel free speech is around but only to those that relate to what their saying to their beliefs, if you are atheist (like myself) then i feel you have no freedom of speech

    links below show what i mean
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/10/reading-university-atheist-group-punished-for-blasphemous-muhammad-pineapple-2475970.html

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2012/01/12/atheists-have-no-right-to-decide-what-is-or-what-is-not-offensive-to-believers/

    am i right or am i looking too much into this
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    Oct 09, 2012 12:01 PM GMT
    I notice a lot of horror stories when it comes to freedom of speech in schools and other places. As an Atheist and being gay I can definitely say I feel like a second class citizen and will continue to feel that way for a while methinks. I remember in High School we had a guy say the Pledge over the intercom one day. He left out "And to God, for which we stand" one day and the whole school flipped shit over it. He ended up being kicked off the committee and having his car vandalized more than once.

    When I came out as Atheist (lol) and was open about it I had notes written on my car when I got off work at 12am (most of them said "Atheist Freak"). It was pretty scary at first but then I realized if someone is too scared to say it to my face then chances are they're not going to have the balls to approach me in real life. It ended shortly after.

    Another thing I would like to add is this applies to job interviews surprisingly it seems like. In the U.S. their are only two "Unclaimed Baggage" stores. One of them is in my town. A couple of years ago I was called up for an interview and I gladly went in. Most of the questions were standard but the interviewer really took me off guard when she said "Unclaimed Baggage is strictly based on a Christian foundation. Are you a Christian and what church do you go to around here?"

    I was really thrown off guard because I'm Atheist and actually lied about it. I ended up getting another job offer a week later and took that instead. (and I'm currently working at it two years later).
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    Oct 09, 2012 12:24 PM GMT
    People seem to think that saying "I´m offended by that" means something.

    Lots of people are offended by lots of things: I´m offended by the hypocrisy of the Church which hides its own sex scandals at the same time as condemning gay marriage, by the direction the GOP has taken, and by the existence of wasps. I am aware that my offence makes no difference to the pope, Mitt Romney or wasps.

    A lot of religious groups pull the "I´m offended" line a lot of the time. Tough. Deal with it. I´m offended that religious conservatives exist and try to have their absurd, arbitrary beliefs made into law. That is much more serious than a pineapple.
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    Oct 09, 2012 1:26 PM GMT
    I don't understand why certain theistic fanatics treat atheists with such disdain. I am not an atheist; however, I do sympathize with them. I honestly believe those who can malign atheists do so out of fear and weakness of their own practice. People who can absolve themselves to accept a person regardless of their creed are ones who remain strongest not only in integrity but also in their spiritual beliefs. Who cares what a person believes or does not believe in? It's no skin off MY nose so long as that person doesn't start attacking me for having beliefs different from their own.

    *Sighs and shakes head hugging all three* :/ I'm so sorry the church goers sometimes can be such Nazis. I really think they're just so terribly scared.
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    Gymfreak, you're an atheist?? I gotta remove you from my hotlist now! LOLicon_wink.gif

    I'm kidding.


    My good friend says he is Poly-Atheistic...He doesn't believe in any gods.
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    ParadiseLost saidI don't understand why certain theistic fanatics treat atheists with such disdain. I am not an atheist; however, I do sympathize with them. I honestly believe those who can malign atheists do so out of fear and weakness of their own practice. People who can absolve themselves to accept a person regardless of their creed are ones who remain strongest not only in integrity but also in their spiritual beliefs. Who cares what a person believes or does not believe in? It's no skin off MY nose so long as that person doesn't start attacking me for having beliefs different from their own.

    *Sighs and shakes head hugging all three* :/ I'm so sorry the church goers sometimes can be such Nazis. I really think they're just so terribly scared.


    NO it´s because THEY ARE RIGHT! THEY ARE RIGHT DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SCARED NO? ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE WRONG ARE SCARED. THEY ARE RIGHT!!!

    *huddles in corner, scared that if someone disagrees then it´s all over*
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    Telling an adult that there's no God is like telling a child that there's no Santa. They usually start crying and end up hating you forever.icon_evil.gif
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    JumpMan_Josh saidAnother thing I would like to add is this applies to job interviews surprisingly it seems like. In the U.S. their are only two "Unclaimed Baggage" stores. One of them is in my town. A couple of years ago I was called up for an interview and I gladly went in. Most of the questions were standard but the interviewer really took me off guard when she said "Unclaimed Baggage is strictly based on a Christian foundation. Are you a Christian and what church do you go to around here?"

    I was really thrown off guard because I'm Atheist and actually lied about it. I ended up getting another job offer a week later and took that instead. (and I'm currently working at it two years later).
    I did this when I applied for the movie theater I worked at 2 years ago. I kind of wish I had been truthful, because working there was horrible.

    Totally illegal question to ask.

    I get what the OP is saying but the same can be said about really anything. Women decide whats offensive to women. Religious people decide whats offensive to them. Gays decide whats offensive to them. Personally, I think it's all crap and I can say whatever I want about any of them.

    Atheists can decide whats offensive to you as well. If I said, "All atheists are a bunch of arrogant pricks who have nothing better to do then try and crush every person who believes in something entire belief system because they have an undying need to be right all the time." Could you not see how offensive and stereotypical that is as yourself being an atheist?
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    JumpMan_Josh saidAnother thing I would like to add is this applies to job interviews surprisingly it seems like. In the U.S. their are only two "Unclaimed Baggage" stores. One of them is in my town. A couple of years ago I was called up for an interview and I gladly went in. Most of the questions were standard but the interviewer really took me off guard when she said "Unclaimed Baggage is strictly based on a Christian foundation. Are you a Christian and what church do you go to around here?"

    I was really thrown off guard because I'm Atheist and actually lied about it. I ended up getting another job offer a week later and took that instead. (and I'm currently working at it two years later).
    I did this when I applied for the movie theater I worked at 2 years ago. I kind of wish I had been truthful, because working there was horrible.


    Haha well stuff happens I guess! At least you're not suffering there anymore, eh?
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
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    ParadiseLost saidI don't understand why certain theistic fanatics treat atheists with such disdain. I am not an atheist; however, I do sympathize with them. I honestly believe those who can malign atheists do so out of fear and weakness of their own practice. People who can absolve themselves to accept a person regardless of their creed are ones who remain strongest not only in integrity but also in their spiritual beliefs. Who cares what a person believes or does not believe in? It's no skin off MY nose so long as that person doesn't start attacking me for having beliefs different from their own.

    *Sighs and shakes head hugging all three* :/ I'm so sorry the church goers sometimes can be such Nazis. I really think they're just so terribly scared.


    NO it´s because THEY ARE RIGHT! THEY ARE RIGHT DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SCARED NO? ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE WRONG ARE SCARED. THEY ARE RIGHT!!!

    *huddles in corner, scared that if someone disagrees then it´s all over*


    *Petpats* :/
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
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    Totally illegal question to ask.

    I get what the OP is saying but the same can be said about really anything. Women decide whats offensive to women. Religious people decide whats offensive to them. Gays decide whats offensive to them. Personally, I think it's all crap and I can say whatever I want about any of them.

    Atheists can decide whats offensive to you as well. If I said, "All atheists are a bunch of arrogant pricks who have nothing better to do then try and crush every person who believes in something entire belief system because they have an undying need to be right all the time." Could you not see how offensive and stereotypical that is as yourself being an atheist?


    Hmn.. well, no one's rights should be marginalized from a legal stand point regardless of being theist or atheist. It's okay if people in here do not want to believe in God or a higher being. That is their right just like it's okay for people to believe as well. I believe that people shouldn't be smudged and treated like crap but I guess what it really boils down to is human nature. :/
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    Oct 09, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    Sometimes I wonder just how far we've really come since Galileo (punished for proving the earth isn't at the center of the universe). And I realize we really haven't come all that far.
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    Oct 09, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    Of personal concern to gays should be the US Christian groups who say that civil laws that limit their homophobic practices constitute a "war on religion" and cannot be applied to them.

    It harkens back to a conflict during the European Middle Ages between church & state. The Christian Church claimed that its ecclesiastical members (but not its secular followers) were not bound by civil law. Instead, the Church judged its own in its own laws and courts. They warned the state that the church was answerable only to God, setting up conflicts from the time of King Henry II and Archbishop Thomas Beckett, to the diminution of clerical authority during the French Revolution.

    The 18th-Century authors of the US Constitution knew their European history quite well, and did not want to see Church authority eclipse that of the government. Nor did they want favoritism by the state for one religious denomination at the expense of any others. A government neutral to religion is at the same time equally favorably to all.

    But this legal supremacy of religion is exactly what Christian fundamentalists want, and now aided by their allies in the US Republican Party seeking their votes. So that every time I hear the phrase "war on religion" I know it really means a war on my civil rights as protected by the Constitution, against the tyranny of religious fanatics.