Who would you rather have as your president....

  • HottJoe

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    Oct 10, 2012 6:45 PM GMT
    ....if a crisis like the AIDS crisis hit the gay community like it did in the '80s.


    Gay activists for the last three decades have decried Reagan for doing nothing when the AIDS crisis hit, and thousands of young men died as a result. Some say Reagan didn't care because it was happening to gay people, others say he actually sought to eradicate gay people.

    If a new crisis hit and your friends were dying, or you yourself wound up in a hospital bed, who would you rather have as your president, Romney, or Obama?

    I know of only one candidate who would stand up to injustice, who would fight for answers in a time of desperation and confusion, and that's Obama. Romney would likely wipe his hands of us, or use our suffering as proof that he's tough on gays.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
    I don't think it would make all that much difference who is president if, god forbid, a disease hit the gay community, just like I don't think the reaction in the early stages of the AIDS crisis in the 80's would have been all that much different if it happened under President Carter.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 10, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    Of the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."

    Christ, at least Marie Antoinette would've let us eat cake before we die horribly.icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 10, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    The way some older gay men talk, it sounds like Ronald Reagan was out at night doing some things his wife didn't know about. That said, I seldom look to the president when there's a disease going around, unless it's coming from 3rd world countries through our porous borders. It isn't the role of government to find cures for diseases, that is up to universities and drug makers, who have a reason to do so.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."


    Okay, now I know you're just trying to stir up shit in a variety of threads today. What's wrong with you? Reagan never said any such thing. Bold faced Lie!
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 10, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."


    Okay, now I know you're just trying to stir up shit in a variety of threads today. What's wrong with you? Reagan never said any such thing. Bold faced Lie!


    It's not like I wrote the bloody quote. Contact CBS if you have a complaint about it, because they used it in a movie depicting Reagan's life....

    From what I've read, Reagan didn't fund AIDS research because it would've hurt him politically. The CDC believes that AIDS could've been contained if steps had been taken early on in the prevention/research. Instead, years went by with unanswered questions and more heardache than anyone can wrap their mind around.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    It's not like I wrote the bloody quote. Contact CBS if you have a complaint about it, because they used it in a movie depicting Reagan's life....



    It doesn't matter where it came from, Reagan never said any such thing. As for the AIDS question, it was a huge HUGE conundrum and few had any answers for years. Hindsight is always 20/20, but there is no evidence that any other president would have handled it any differently in the early stages of the disease. We can only speculate, and it's always easier to lay blame after the fact.
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    Oct 10, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."

    Christ, at least Marie Antoinette would've let us eat cake before we die horribly.icon_confused.gif


    I don't often call anyone a liar, but ... you earned it this time.
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    Oct 10, 2012 9:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe said....if a crisis like the AIDS crisis hit the gay community like it did in the '80s.


    Gay activists for the last three decades have decried Reagan for doing nothing when the AIDS crisis hit, and thousands of young men died as a result. Some say Reagan didn't care because it was happening to gay people, others say he actually sought to eradicate gay people.

    If a new crisis hit and your friends were dying, or you yourself wound up in a hospital bed, who would you rather have as your president, Romney, or Obama?

    I know of only one candidate who would stand up to injustice, who would fight for answers in a time of desperation and confusion, and that's Obama. Romney would likely wipe his hands of us, or use our suffering as proof that he's tough on gays.


    No question .... Romney.
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    Oct 10, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."


    Okay, now I know you're just trying to stir up shit in a variety of threads today. What's wrong with you? Reagan never said any such thing. Bold faced Lie!


    And one wonders why I thought this one was a Catfish sock!
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 10, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."


    Okay, now I know you're just trying to stir up shit in a variety of threads today. What's wrong with you? Reagan never said any such thing. Bold faced Lie!


    And one wonders why I thought this one was a Catfish sock!


    And here I thought YOU were a sock.icon_evil.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    And one wonders why I thought this one was a Catfish sock!


    A part of me still does --- not gonna say what part though icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 10, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThe way some older gay men talk, it sounds like Ronald Reagan was out at night doing some things his wife didn't know about. That said, I seldom look to the president when there's a disease going around, unless it's coming from 3rd world countries through our porous borders. It isn't the role of government to find cures for diseases, that is up to universities and drug makers, who have a reason to do so.


    If the US Government hadn't directly funded HIV/AIDS drug research, people would still be dropping like flies today as they were in the 80s. AZT would barely be available. And to be fair to Reagan and Bush I, the funding had begun in earnest under them.

    What reason do drug makers have to come up with cures? Name the last time a drug maker made a CURE for a disease vs. a permanent life long TREATMENT? There is A LOT more money to be made in the long run via a permanent lifelong treatment than a one-time cure.
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    Oct 10, 2012 9:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said
    And one wonders why I thought this one was a Catfish sock!


    A part of me still does --- not gonna say what part though icon_wink.gif


    Lol, y'all need to get a room.

    BTW, he's definitely a real person, unless he's been able to fake a whole bunch of public information about what he does in real life, which would be quite the feat.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 10, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    showmeLol, y'all need to get a room.



    I thought they had a treehouse?
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    Oct 10, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    showmeLol, y'all need to get a room.



    I thought they had a treehouse?


    Good question. Does the conservaposse treehouse have a mattress on the floor? Enquiring minds and all.icon_wink.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    showme said
    I thought they had a treehouse?





    I could take you there, but then I'd have to kill you icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 10, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    showme said
    HottJoe said
    showmeLol, y'all need to get a room.



    I thought they had a treehouse?


    Good question. Does the conservaposse treehouse have a mattress on the floor? Enquiring minds and all.icon_wink.gif


    yes
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    Oct 10, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
    showme said
    HottJoe said
    showmeLol, y'all need to get a room.



    I thought they had a treehouse?


    Good question. Does the conservaposse treehouse have a mattress on the floor? Enquiring minds and all.icon_wink.gif


    No need. They hide out in the closet, and then tap their feet in airport restrooms.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    showme saidDoes the conservaposse treehouse have a mattress on the floor? Enquiring minds and all.icon_wink.gif


    Oh puh-lease! Why would we put 500 thread count Egyptian silk sheets on a mattress on the floor? What do you think we are --- Green Party members? icon_wink.gif

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  • HottJoe

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    Oct 10, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    ^^^^Hmmm, I'm trying to decide if I would sell my soul to live in your treehouse.icon_evil.gif

    I think I'll pass.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 10, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    HottJoe said^^^^Hmmm, I'm trying to decide if I would sell my soul to live in your treehouse.icon_evil.gif

    I think I'll pass.icon_rolleyes.gif


    No worries...I had to leave anyway. It's my night to fly surveillance over Wilton Manor. I'll be sure to wave at ya from 30,000 ft --- while I'm watching your every move icon_wink.gif

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    Oct 10, 2012 11:40 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."


    Okay, now I know you're just trying to stir up shit in a variety of threads today. What's wrong with you? Reagan never said any such thing. Bold faced Lie!


    YOU and freedumb are quite the presidential scholars!

    Gotta love your kneejerk certainty that "Reagan never said such a thing."

    I don't picture either of you exploring the Reagan archives. Who knew?
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    Oct 10, 2012 11:54 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidOf the AIDS crisis Reagan said, "Let those who live in sin die in sin."


    Okay, now I know you're just trying to stir up shit in a variety of threads today. What's wrong with you? Reagan never said any such thing. Bold faced Lie!


    YOU and freedumb are quite the presidential scholars!

    Gotta love your kneejerk certainty that "Reagan never said such a thing."

    I don't picture either of you exploring the Reagan archives. Who knew?




    You don't picture CJAZ as a realtor either--why is that?
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    Oct 11, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    451no,
    You know that answer.....but if you want some even juicier details, message me.