Obama's acceptance speech.

  • Thriller83

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:18 AM GMT
    Just watched it on C-SPAN. All in all, I thought it was a great speech, even if you don't plan to vote for him. The pyrotechnics and epic music afterwards was a bit cheesy though.
  • auryn

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:32 AM GMT
    It certainly was! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:32 AM GMT
    It was a good speech, but I think he left some holes that will lead to attacks by the GOP. I think he should have spent more time on his weaknesses, such as foreign policy instead of turning back to domestic issues.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:45 AM GMT
    It was outstanding in almost every way and he did and said what he needed to. I was pleased. It made me proud to be a democrat and an American
    and sized the Republicans down ... way down.
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:10 AM GMT
    Is that the guy Oprah hangs with?icon_wink.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 5:42 AM GMT
    Yes, his speech was pretty amazing -- I can hardly wait till his "First 100 Days"...cancer will be cured, the poor will all be dripping in Armani, Global warming will be haulted, peace around the world, Cars will run on, well, AIR, yeah, that makes for good speech -- AIR!
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    Aug 29, 2008 6:17 AM GMT
    Now you're puffin' air. Americans love it when their politicians feed them a series of exaggerations. You think Obama was overindulgent? Wait until you hear McCain!
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    Aug 29, 2008 6:23 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYes, his speech was pretty amazing -- I can hardly wait till his "First 100 Days"...cancer will be cured, the poor will all be dripping in Armani, Global warming will be haulted, peace around the world, Cars will run on, well, AIR, yeah, that makes for good speech -- AIR!


    But cars DO run on air.
    http://www.theaircar.com/
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    Aug 29, 2008 6:24 AM GMT
    Didn't see it, but judging by the articles about it his speech was nothing more than promising loot to 51% of America.
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    Aug 29, 2008 6:49 AM GMT
    geras saidDidn't see it, but judging by the articles about it his speech was nothing more than promising loot to 51% of America.


    as all political platforms are
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    Aug 29, 2008 8:18 AM GMT
    26mileman saidIs that the guy Oprah hangs with?icon_wink.gif


    LOL icon_biggrin.gif you got it dude!
  • thisguy023

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    Aug 29, 2008 9:50 AM GMT

    The speech was brilliant.

    And the republican commentaries are becoming very repetitive and boring. I wish they would come up with some new ideas. It would make the campaign a lot more interesting to watch.
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    Aug 29, 2008 9:53 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYes, his speech was pretty amazing -- I can hardly wait till his "First 100 Days"...cancer will be cured, the poor will all be dripping in Armani, Global warming will be haulted, peace around the world, Cars will run on, well, AIR, yeah, that makes for good speech -- AIR!


    Right, like the Republican promises that cutting taxes will lead to surpluses because of all the ways the windfall the rich get will be reinvested rather than spent on yachts and seventh homes.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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    Aug 29, 2008 10:23 AM GMT
    Dude, i watched it and got chills. After studying politics for 4 years, i was watching a politician talk and I thought 'this guy gets it!!!!!!' An amazing man, and he had some amazing messages. No, he cant fix the nation singlehandedly, but he can help us help ourselves. I agreed with so much of what he said, I told my staunch republican parents to watch it. That is if they can find youtube...
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    Aug 29, 2008 11:51 AM GMT
    Thriller83 saidThe pyrotechnics and epic music afterwards was a bit cheesy though.

    Jeez, it wasn't like Beijing. I was wondering what they'd do in lieu of dropping massive balloons and confetti. Plus, I think most people were expecting that in a large outdoor stadium.
  • Koaa2

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    Aug 29, 2008 12:04 PM GMT
    The speech and show were fabulous. I can't wait until he gets into office.

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    Aug 29, 2008 12:22 PM GMT
    As far as political speeches go, it was a good one. I just listened to all 45 plus minutes of it on YouTube just to hear if he would mention gays and lesbians which he did. He thinks we ought to be able to visit each other in the hospital and live life with dignity. Whoopee doo!

    As usual it will be up to the American people to make the changes necessary to get the country back on track. Isn't that just what he said.
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:00 PM GMT
    Yeah....I want to vote for the boring, uninspiring, aging, senile one with no ideas and no substance.

    Tax cuts? Fine.
    Let us get married so with our $250,000 plus annual income we can file a joint tax return to truly take advantage of the Bush tax cuts.

    National Security? Fine.
    Check the seaports and all the containers entering this country. And while you're at it, send more troops to Afghanistan and Pakistan. I've been to Pakistan three times now and can tell you the place is falling apart.

    Health Care? Fine.
    As a 32 year old man in perfect health who got a new job last December, my new health insurance policy won't cover a $2,000 medical follow-up because they classified it as a pre-existing condition. Fuckers!

    McCain's entire campaign is based on the premise, "I'm not Obama." That's it?

    Where does he stand on the issues? What are the details of his platform? Who is John McCain?

    And since he keeps reminding us that he spent more than 5 years as a POW, then why hasn't anyone asked about his MENTAL FACULTIES? He was physically and mentally tortured, but no one questions whether he's mentally fit. I'm Vietnamese and the VC murdered my grandmother because my father worked as a translator for the Americans in Saigon. Those sons of bitches tortured every American POW.

    GOBAMA! Because I actually believe again in the American Dream.
  • MuslDrew

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    Aug 29, 2008 1:08 PM GMT
    I loved Obama's speech last night. McCain's in my city today. It'll be interesting around here.....
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:09 PM GMT
    I have treated everything Obama has said over the campaign with extreme scepticism but I was impressed last night. I am leaning again towards voting for him, especially because last night he made a partisan argument that can win and dispensed (mostly) with the Unity schtick. It was the first speech I watched and thought, "He could actually win," and my support for Senator Clinton was always based on a) her basic pragmatism and b) the overwhelming belief that she stood a better chance in a general election match-up against any Republican candidate. Maybe Obambi has it too, we will see what the polls say.

    Still, I have to comment that the ending was a bit scary-- the fireworks and the sweeping music. I know I may get attacked for pointing out the stylistic similarity, but the staging, fireworks and soundtrack after Obama's speech ended were highly reminiscent of 'Triumph of the Will' and early fascist propaganda films. The overt flag-waving nationalism was, I know, somewhat necessary as Obama has had to fight charges of being un-American throughout the campaign. Still, add to that the careful placement of purple, the colour of Caesar and empire as well as a reference to the end of 'red' and 'blue' Americas, and there were elements about last night's performance that should give thinking people pause about some of the underlying themes of the era Obama seems to want to usher in.
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:21 PM GMT
    "the staging, fireworks and soundtrack after Obama's speech ended were highly reminiscent of 'Triumph of the Will' and early fascist propaganda films. The overt flag-waving nationalism was, I know, somewhat necessary as Obama has had to fight charges of being un-American throughout the campaign. Still, add to that the careful placement of purple, the colour of Caesar and empire as well as a reference to the end of 'red' and 'blue' Americas"

    Rather than this foreshadowing a dark gray iron fascistic tenure in power, I think it just says the next president of the U.S., and those around him, has very poor aesthetic tastes. They should have outsourced the production of the whole affair to the guy who did the Olympics.
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:26 PM GMT
    Very well done!
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    McGay said

    Rather than this foreshadowing a dark gray iron fascistic tenure in power, I think it just says the next president of the U.S., and those around him, has very poor aesthetic tastes. They should have outsourced the production of the whole affair to the guy who did the Olympics.


    Yes, because the Olympics weren't at all a venue for overt displays of Chinese nationalism.

    I did not say that Obama is, or will become, a fascist, I said that the style of the rhetorical situation (i.e. his acceptance speech in a stadium with fireworks, music et al) used fascist themes and said that we should be wary of such displays and where they can lead. That's a very different argument than "foreshadowing a dark gray iron fascistic tenure in power."

    Arguing that last night's staging was simply a matter of bad taste is overly simplistic, considering the elaborate plans and effort that go into staging party conventions. Everything is meant to communicate a message and everyone is expected to stay on message. People make active choices about what songs to use, what words to include-- but also what words to exclude.

    These choices matter and understanding their effects is absolutely necessary if you want to analyse a speech for meaning. As Aristotle said, rhetoric (public speaking, argument and the use of language) is "the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion." To understand how someone is, or is attempting to persuade you, you have to be willing to break down the performance into the choices made and then start analysing from there.

    Make no mistake, I think it was a great speech; I'm just pointing out some of the ways it worked and what those things mean.
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    Aug 29, 2008 1:52 PM GMT
    The way US citizens have embraced the exaggerated "I love my country", flags, and patriotism has had more than a touch of Triumph to it, but about that speech.

    The Good: Had the balls to call Bush & Co. out on short-sighted economic policies (albeit with little mention of how the dems have endorsed it), at least acknowledged gays and lesbians, called Iraq for the humane mistake it is, acknowledged the stark inequality in education and healthcare (and how it's more of a luxury than a right in this nation) and called McCain out for being a part of the "Good Ole' Boys Club" which has been running this country into the shit since Nixon.

    The Bad: Played the protectionism card with trade policy while contradicting himself by saying US citizens need to be competitive in the global workforce; didn't challange the premises of the so-called "War on Terror"; promises more militarism (in Afghanistan); suggests people should serve in the "War on Terror" for an education; wholeheartedly embraces Israel (no mention of occupied Palestine/Palestinians); wants to cut social services AND more taxes on the middle class (okay, somebody's gotta pay the bills); more "Commander-in-Chief" mumbojumbo; didn't explain his vote for spying and telecommunications immunity; didn't challange the fiction of Bin Laden; didn't mention the political/economic/social inequalities which African Americans still suffer under on MLK's birthday(!); and lastly, embraces the fiction that if you "work hard and are responsible" you can get ahead ("American Dream").

    For all of that though, it was refreshing to see and hear a Presidental candidate sound erudite and use nuance, something which is the total opposite of what that frat fool (W. Bush) has been giving us for almost a decade.
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    Aug 29, 2008 2:17 PM GMT
    NNJfitandbi saidHe hasn't helped Hilary with her campaign debt all that much.

    Why is that really expected? Has that been practiced in the past? Or is it just a bribe for her followers' votes? It seems ridiculous to me, and it was irresponsible for Hillary to go over $20 million in debt.