CBS News Poll: BIDEN WINS VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE -- 50% to 31%

  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 12, 2012 4:12 AM GMT
    CBS News reports a huge loss for Paul Ryan... from their website:

    POLL: JOE BIDEN WINS VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
    Fifty percent of uncommitted voters polled after watching the vice presidential debate picked Joe Biden as the winner while 31 percent thought Rep. Paul Ryan won. Anthony Mason reports.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50132981n&tag=breakingnews
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    Oct 12, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidCBS News reports a huge loss for Paul Ryan... from their website:

    POLL: JOE BIDEN WINS VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
    Fifty percent of uncommitted voters polled after watching the vice presidential debate picked Joe Biden as the winner while 31 percent thought Rep. Paul Ryan won. Anthony Mason reports.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50132981n&tag=breakingnews


    I thought Paul Ryan won.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 12, 2012 4:15 AM GMT
    msuNtx said
    KissTheSky saidCBS News reports a huge loss for Paul Ryan... from their website:

    POLL: JOE BIDEN WINS VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
    Fifty percent of uncommitted voters polled after watching the vice presidential debate picked Joe Biden as the winner while 31 percent thought Rep. Paul Ryan won. Anthony Mason reports.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50132981n&tag=breakingnews


    I thought Paul Ryan won.

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  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 12, 2012 4:26 AM GMT
    The importance of this survey is that it is undecided voters who are siding with Biden... that is the key to winning the election.

    CNN's survey had a different result, but it was among all voters.
    Apparently Ryan did not effectively reach beyond his base, who were already going to vote for him, so the debate was a huge missed opportunity for him.

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    Oct 12, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    After the praise being heaped on Martha Raddatz's performance as a moderator, the ultimate indignity for Paul Ryan:

    "Somehow at this debate, Paul Ryan came in third."
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 12, 2012 4:55 AM GMT
    Were we watching the same debate? LOL! No way did Biden win this one. In fairness, I'm not sure Ryan did either. I kind of think overall it was a draw, but Ryan came off as way more likable and respectful. I have no doubt that, unlike the Romney/Obama debate in which Romney was the clear winner, tomorrow's polls will be all over the map with some for Biden, others for Ryan, no winner, no loser, basically just a V.P. debate that is here today, gone tomorrow.
  • comfortablynu...

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    Oct 12, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    bostonsam said
    Ex_Mil8 saidAfter the praise being heaped on Martha Raddatz's performance as a moderator, the ultimate indignity for Paul Ryan:

    "Somehow at this debate, Paul Ryan came in third."


    And somehow, at 6am in the UK, you, a UK citizen, are posting about American politics on Realjock. Pathetic.


    And somehow, at 1am on the east coast you're on the internet calling people pathetic from an unverified account.

    Weren't you pissing and moaning about name calling the other day?

    Delicious Irony.
  • DR2K

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    Oct 12, 2012 5:07 AM GMT
    One was clearly calling the other one out on their lies. The first half was especially brutal, I don;t think Ryan was prepared to get called out on his lies as they were coming out of his mouth. Sarah Palin was a better opponent.

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    Oct 12, 2012 5:24 AM GMT
    comfortablynumb said
    bostonsam said
    Ex_Mil8 saidAfter the praise being heaped on Martha Raddatz's performance as a moderator, the ultimate indignity for Paul Ryan:

    "Somehow at this debate, Paul Ryan came in third."


    And somehow, at 6am in the UK, you, a UK citizen, are posting about American politics on Realjock. Pathetic.


    And somehow, at 1am on the east coast you're on the internet calling people pathetic from an unverified account.

    Weren't you pissing and moaning about name calling the other day?

    Delicious Irony.


    So late? It's only 10.23pm here in Vancouver.
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    Oct 12, 2012 8:14 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidI thought Paul Ryan won.

    Obviously you are smarter than the undecided voters polled here. icon_lol.gif
    Which is meant as a slam at the undecided.
    It's 3 weeks before the election....

    Then again, maybe not. I agree with CJAZ and thought it was pretty much a draw on substance.
    Subjectively you may have liked Paul Ryan's down-to -business style (or looks? icon_rolleyes.gif ) better.
    Others might think that Biden made him look like a young pup charging at windmills.

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    Oct 12, 2012 10:18 AM GMT
    It's hard to debate Repubs because facts and truth mean nothing. You can factually show them they are wrong and they are totally oblivious. They go right on with their bullshit undaunted.
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    Oct 12, 2012 10:23 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said"Somehow at this debate, Paul Ryan came in third."

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 12, 2012 11:32 AM GMT
    I can tell you, while BIden did leave a few things out.. largely I was very pleased. BIden slammed the repub disaster, prudently, comprehensively.. very happy with what I heard.

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    Oct 12, 2012 12:01 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidOn style, at best it was a tie. On substance, much of Ryan's rhetoric was lies, just as Romney's was (and the entire campaign has been) including that 20 million would lose their medicare coverage with the Obama plan, that Iran can now make 5 nuclear weapons, and about the 716 billion in cuts to overpayments to insurance companies, which is in his own plan. The math doesn't add up still on the tax cuts and increased military spending, even though Ryan speaks more capably on the subject than Romney himself does.

    All in all, again it was a deft debater (Biden) doing his best with a slippery and manipulative opponent. It's challenging to engage someone who is as liberal with the facts as both Romney and Ryan are....their virtue is solely in their conviction to their sweet fiction....they're sirens wooing fools to a rocky death.


    I've been saying that all along. Why do we need 2 trillion in additional military spending? Since the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq began the U.S has had a negative deficit. We have had our biggest deficits since WW2 and these wars don't come anywhere close in terms of the size and supplies needed. Of all the bullshit that both candidates say, the over-hyped lie that we need a stronger military makes me the most pissed.
  • Menergy_1

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    Oct 12, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    comfortablynumb said
    bostonsam said
    Ex_Mil8 saidAfter the praise being heaped on Martha Raddatz's performance as a moderator, the ultimate indignity for Paul Ryan:

    "Somehow at this debate, Paul Ryan came in third."


    And somehow, at 6am in the UK, you, a UK citizen, are posting about American politics on Realjock. Pathetic.


    And somehow, at 1am on the east coast you're on the internet calling people pathetic from an unverified account.

    Weren't you pissing and moaning about name calling the other day?

    Delicious Irony.


    So late? It's only 10.23pm here in Vancouver.



    Oh SNAP! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • rnch

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    Oct 12, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe importance of this survey is that it is undecided voters who are siding with Biden... that is the key to winning the election.






    AGREE! Biden for the win.





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  • Menergy_1

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    Oct 12, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    I'm sure I heard Ryan saying something like (paraphrasing) "our Democratic party/opponents have to resort to using falsehoods not facts to create fear in the voting public to win." Ironic isn't it that apparently with some research and disclosures, one finds this is actually more true of the Republican campaign and advertising?

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    Oh, and kudos to Martha Raddatz' excellent leading and moderating!
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    Oct 12, 2012 1:50 PM GMT
    Nobody watches CBS anymore. CNN is also liberally slanted but people still watch it, and a slight majority thought Ryan outperformed Biden.
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    Oct 12, 2012 1:54 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidOn style, at best it was a tie. On substance, much of Ryan's rhetoric was lies, just as Romney's was (and the entire campaign has been) including that 20 million would lose their medicare coverage with the Obama plan, that Iran can now make 5 nuclear weapons, and about the 716 billion in cuts to overpayments to insurance companies, which is in his own plan. The math doesn't add up still on the tax cuts and increased military spending, even though Ryan speaks more capably on the subject than Romney himself does.

    All in all, again it was a deft debater (Biden) doing his best with a slippery and manipulative opponent. It's challenging to engage someone who is as liberal with the facts as both Romney and Ryan are....their virtue is solely in their conviction to their sweet fiction....they're sirens wooing fools to a rocky death.


    The highlight of the night was Ryan helping the American people understand that more taxes is not the answer or even possibly a solution, too much spending is the problem.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 12, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    Biden wiped the floor with that child. A tall order given that Romney and Ryan will both spread lies at the drop of a hat, but Ryan came off as just plain ignorant on Iran, defense spending, the efficacy of Romney's impossible tax math, women's rights (politicians should control women's health? Okay, dude).

    Biden enjoyed kicking this clown back to right-wings ville. If anything, it just revealed the depth of GOP lies and delusion: unlike Democrats, they won't tell the truth when they've lost a debate.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 12, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidBiden wiped the floor with that child....
    If anything, it just revealed the depth of GOP lies and delusion: unlike Democrats, they won't tell the truth when they've lost a debate.



    Please feel free to post, other than various opinions, any real evidence that ANYONE actually won this debate. You may be able to post a poll or two to argue your point, but I could post polls to refute that point....and we both know that polls basically are hardly something we can depend on. The reality is that this debate was a draw, both sides claiming victory, and both Biden and Ryan accomplishing what they needed to do going in. I seriously doubt either candidate helped or hurt their campaign with this debate. Judging by what I am seeing in the press and on the morning shows today, the takeaway that most seem to be talking about is Biden's demeanor. You can draw your own conclusions about that demeanor's effect on undecided voters. I guess it would mostly depend on if those voters can also see the humor in a nuclear Iran icon_wink.gif
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 12, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said I guess it would mostly depend on if those voters can also see the humor in a nuclear Iran icon_wink.gif


    Or if they can see the humor in Romney-Ryan's bullshit assertion that America can afford yet another war they have no clue how to pay for. icon_wink.gif Right-wing bullshit is funny: if you don't laugh at it, you cry.

    The GOP platform: war war war, spend spend spend, but don't tax me. ROFLMAO right along with Laughin' Joe. Give em hell, Joe!
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 12, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
    Biden had to laugh to keep himself from crying at the stupidity Ryan was spewing.

    When I hear republicans talk, I don't know whether to laugh or cry either.

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  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 12, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidHis answers on balancing the budget with all the tax credits and extra expenditures were vacuous. The "5 point plan" was just "the 5 platitudes".


    +1

    The entire nation is laughing right along with Joe Biden at this right-wing bullshit. It's hard not to laugh when you realized that the Republicans have nominated candidates who do not understand basic math.

    Sooo, we can't afford student loans, programs that benefit the poor, and health care reform, but we can afford tax cuts for rich guys like Romney and a war with Iran.

    Bahahahahahahahahha. Okay Romney-Ryan. Okay.