McCain V.P. Choice - Alaska Governor Sarah Palin

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 2:44 PM GMT
    This is an interesting and surprising choice for sure. I'm not sure I have an opinion yet about it because I know nothing about her. I do think it is great that he thought outside the box and picked a woman. This choice could help or hurt him. Your thoughts?
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    Aug 29, 2008 2:51 PM GMT
    A first term two-year governor? She undermines McCain's experience narrative, which means he is going to play the 'change' game, which is Obama's home turf. Certainly an interesting choice.

    I wonder if her trooper-gate scandal is going to resurface much? I wonder what this will mean for the Senate race (where incumbent Republican Ted Stevens is getting the crap beat out of him due to scandal.)
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    Yeah, I think it was a bit of a risky choice. I would have felt much more comfortable with Romney even though, admittedly, that came with some risks too.
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    Not to mention Romney could have really helped with the battleground state of Michigan. Granted, McCain hasn't lead there in any recent poll that wasn't an outlier, but McCain stands a better chance of taking Michigan with Romney than he stood of losing Alaska with anyone else.

    She has better be useful on the stump, because with a pre-packaged scandal and a lack of experience I can't see what she brings to his team other than being a woman.
  • Timbales

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:43 PM GMT
    This woman is a Republican's wet dream:

    On September 11, 2007, the Palins' eighteen-year-old son Track, eldest of five, joined the Army. He now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September 2008. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7.

    On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome. She returned to the office three days after giving birth. Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

    Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:54 PM GMT
    I give McCain credit for gambling with this choice, but I also see it as a huge gamble for the country. If McCain is elected, and God forbid anything should happen to him early on, this woman is the President of the U.S. I don't know, she will have to really REALLY shine on the stump and in the debates, but I think it's a scary choice that could backfire in a huge way. I just don't see her drawing the #'s toward McCain, but I guess time will tell. This is definitely going to be interesting.
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:54 PM GMT
    I was a Hillary supporter, and now I'm leaning more towards McCain. I feel that you can make the same argument for Obama, he ran on the idea of Change and Change and again, Change...yet he picked Senator Biden, who has been in Washington for years.

    The choice McCain made is a great one for many reasons, and the first one being that he is going for the female constituency. Also, I feel that a governor is more able to lead than a senator who is just a member of a larger body...

    Again, who was Bill Clinton, he was a young governor from Arkansas, and look where he ended up...
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    From your mouth to God's ears
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    I think the biggest problem with this choice is that she only has ~2 months to prove she could be president... Obama's had ~2 years and people are still unsure of him. With McCain's age I think it going to be a bigger deal than it normally would be with a vp candidate.

    I'm wondering why he chose her vs. someone like Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    Looks like it's a black guy vs a white woman again! McCain is clever. Except Hillary was much better than this conservative Christian beauty queen.
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidDetails of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.
    Interesting, she sounds like a lesbian.

    Then again, I am seeing anti-gay on my radar ..
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    Aug 29, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    ANFJock21 saidI was a Hillary supporter, and now I'm leaning more towards McCain. I feel that you can make the same argument for Obama, he ran on the idea of Change and Change and again, Change...yet he picked Senator Biden, who has been in Washington for years.

    The choice McCain made is a great one for many reasons, and the first one being that he is going for the female constituency. Also, I feel that a governor is more able to lead than a senator who is just a member of a larger body...

    Again, who was Bill Clinton, he was a young governor from Arkansas, and look where he ended up...


    Sorry, dude. Your logic is just bad.

    Try again.
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    Aug 29, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYeah, I think it was a bit of a risky choice. I would have felt much more comfortable with Romney even though, admittedly, that came with some risks too.


    Yeah, the Romney campaign ad would have been fun to write too:

    A Monopoly board. Boardwalk. Park Place. And a hand just keeps adding more houses, one by one.

    "How many houses does John McCain have?

    The hand adds more houses.

    "HOW many?"

    Even more.

    "And how many does Mitt Romney have?"

    Then another hand is shown turning over Mediterranean Avenue.

    "He had only ONE, but is was foreclosed on."

    The first hand is seen scooping up all the second guy's cards and money.
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    Aug 29, 2008 9:52 PM GMT
    daystroom saidI think the biggest problem with this choice is that she only has ~2 months to prove she could be president... Obama's had ~2 years and people are still unsure of him. With McCain's age I think it going to be a bigger deal than it normally would be with a vp candidate.

    I'm wondering why he chose her vs. someone like Kay Bailey Hutchinson.


    My thoughts as well. I saw Kay interviewed soon after the announcement, and she was being kind, but NOT giving any kind of ringing endorsement you'd expect one to give to someone in your party after an announcement like this.
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    Aug 29, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    ANFJock21 saidI was a Hillary supporter, and now I'm leaning more towards McCain. I feel that you can make the same argument for Obama, he ran on the idea of Change and Change and again, Change...yet he picked Senator Biden, who has been in Washington for years.

    The choice McCain made is a great one for many reasons, and the first one being that he is going for the female constituency. Also, I feel that a governor is more able to lead than a senator who is just a member of a larger body...

    Again, who was Bill Clinton, he was a young governor from Arkansas, and look where he ended up...


    OK, you're not a (real) woman Hillary supporter, but it's good you're here to ask. How do you reply to Hillary's question (really to you and others like you): Were you for her, or were you for her ideals and those she worked for?
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    Aug 29, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
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    ANFJock21 saidI was a Hillary supporter, and now I'm leaning more towards McCain. I feel that you can make the same argument for Obama, he ran on the idea of Change and Change and again, Change...yet he picked Senator Biden, who has been in Washington for years.

    The choice McCain made is a great one for many reasons, and the first one being that he is going for the female constituency. Also, I feel that a governor is more able to lead than a senator who is just a member of a larger body...

    Again, who was Bill Clinton, he was a young governor from Arkansas, and look where he ended up...


    OK, you're not a (real) woman Hillary supporter, but it's good you're here to ask. How do you reply to Hillary's question (really to you and others like you): Were you for her, or were you for her ideals and those she worked for?


    He's not really thinking. Can't you tell? icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • acrojock10

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    Aug 29, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
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    ANFJock21 saidI was a Hillary supporter, and now I'm leaning more towards McCain. I feel that you can make the same argument for Obama, he ran on the idea of Change and Change and again, Change...yet he picked Senator Biden, who has been in Washington for years.

    The choice McCain made is a great one for many reasons, and the first one being that he is going for the female constituency. Also, I feel that a governor is more able to lead than a senator who is just a member of a larger body...

    Again, who was Bill Clinton, he was a young governor from Arkansas, and look where he ended up...


    Sorry, dude. Your logic is just bad.

    Try again.




    AGREED-

    Obama's choice for Senator Biden was VERY intelligent.
    By choosing someone with a well acknowledged background, he showed that change requires experience, and that he needs someone with that experience to actually induce any amount of real change. A legislative background is important for the simple reason that legislatures are the ones that decide which laws pass, and which ones don't. When it comes to changing policy it is important that the individual know how to go about it the right way. As Chad pointed out in another post, change is not an easy thing to come by. It is going to be a long difficult road ahead of us. But if we vote for someone that promises to back and carry on with policies that have screwed this country royally for the past 8 years, what have we accomplished? To give my vote to someone who backs policies that I disagree with, and refuses to recognize me as an equal human being; would be incredibly stupid. As I seem to be eternally single, marriage is at this time not a big deal to me. At some point I may like to be married, and I feel that it's important that we are viewed equally in that respect, and have the option. And if it isn't a concern to you... FINE. I can't tell other people how to vote... and yeah... maybe this is all moot, and won't make anything different in the long run, but at least take the chance. And as far as comparing Palin to Clinton... shame on you! It really just seems the McCain Campaign is thinking that by having a female running mate that you can stir all of those votes. Sex, and race shouldn't have anything to do with this election. None of that is even important. And if that's what someone is basing their vote on; that would make them an idiot! Going from Hillary to McCain is jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other. I believe that Obama, given time, and a good chance can do a few good things for our country. (I gave Hillary my vote in the primary.) And just to let it be known... I consider myself a libertarian. I'm not a hardcore Democrat. I have some very conservative views. But I can't give my vote to McCain. I feel you should vote your heart, but I'm not sure how as a gay american your heart can say REPUBLICAN at this point in time! I'm not voting based on the gay issues, because there shouldn't be a gay issue. Overall Obama's policy plans make more sense to me in our current climate.
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    Aug 29, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    I am sure Carl Rove told him to pick her.
  • SkyMiles

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    Aug 29, 2008 11:40 PM GMT
    Are any republicans pissed off at this? There were all these Hillary supporters who were SO upset at Hillary not winning and then not being picked as VP, but McCain just gave the big F-freakin-U to Romney, Huckabee, Paul and all their supporters.

    So what's the deal, do republicans just suck up this kind of thing, take one for the team and go on THAT easily? I admit, I'm impressed a little if they do.


  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 29, 2008 11:42 PM GMT
    You know my thoughts Todd.....

    But its the nation's thoughts that will count come election time.
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    Sep 20, 2008 4:09 AM GMT
    Wow....If you really like a conservative atmosphere and anti-gay policies then McCain - Palin is the ticket for you!! She is much more conservative then he is. Although they would never say it publically...they both feel gay is a sin. She's going to make some blunder in the debates and hopefully will disappear back in to her hole in Alaska after we elect the only real choice.
    Lets see our choices are: a bright young intellegent self-made person....or an old gizzer that loves war and finished 5th from the last in his class at the Naval Academy....wouldn't even have made in to the Naval Academy without daddy pulling a few strings.....that's our choice!!
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    Sep 20, 2008 11:26 AM GMT
    Sorry. Who says Obama is bright and young? He was losing the Democratic nomination for Senate until his opponent had a scandal, then he was losing in the general election for Senate until his Republican opponent had a scandal. The Rebublicans put in Alan Keyes cause they had no one else in that area, and Obama beat him. If not for the scandals, he was losing even the Democratic race for Senator from Illinois. He won because his opponents had scandals. Not saying much for them but does not say much for him.
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    Sep 20, 2008 11:39 AM GMT
    HEY SCAMP-

    Wow....If you really like a conservative atmosphere and anti-gay policies then McCain - Palin is the ticket for you!! She is much more conservative then he is. Although they would never say it publically...they both feel gay is a sin. She's going to make some blunder in the debates and hopefully will disappear back in to her hole in Alaska after we elect the only real choice.
    Lets see our choices are: a bright young intellegent self-made person....or an old gizzer that loves war and finished 5th from the last in his class at the Naval Academy....wouldn't even have made in to the Naval Academy without daddy pulling a few strings.....that's our choice!!


    Old Geezer that loves war? Yeah....talk to me when you get out of 5 years in a cage, dumbass. Daddy pulled strings? You put it out there...prove it. Or shut the hell up.

    I am the same age as Obama. We both had to sign up for selective service. Neither one of us served. But, man, last time it was all about Kerry serving and Bush not serving, but I guess service does not mean much anymore. Last time it was all about who served, Kerry more than Bush, but now not so much, eh?

    Palin vetoed a ban on blocking domestic partnership benefits. What did Obama do in Illinois?

    Elect the only "real choice" who has already supported a ban on Gay Marriage publicly. He is OUR guy......

  • Sep 20, 2008 11:50 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis is an interesting and surprising choice for sure. I'm not sure I have an opinion yet about it because I know nothing about her. I do think it is great that he thought outside the box and picked a woman. This choice could help or hurt him. Your thoughts?


    She is a "Dumb Right Wing Lying Bitch" with inadaquate education, and or experience to lead the country.

    Does not believe man has contributed to global warming

    Tried to have certain books removed from public libraries

    She has abused her power by trying to get ex brother in law fired







  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 20, 2008 11:55 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis is an interesting and surprising choice for sure. I'm not sure I have an opinion yet about it because I know nothing about her. I do think it is great that he thought outside the box and picked a woman. This choice could help or hurt him. Your thoughts?



    I'm not sure why I didn't discuss in more detail in this early Palin woman thread.....

    Wow and I'm even more surprised CuriousJock was so flexible.. but it was early.

    Clearly the Palin woman selection was a grab for votes and not "putting country first". It was a right wing effort to solidify the base with someone who shouldn't go near the White House. I'm all for having a woman on the ticket, but not the Palin woman. The answer: Send her back home to the Alaskan wilderness in November.