McCAIN CHOOSES SARAH PALIN AS VP.. Smart?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    I think not.. I think he's pandering to Hillary women supporters and at 72
    I think it isn't wise. He put getting "votes" ahead of what might be prudent for this country. If he dies, where's the experience? She's only been a govenor for 2 years (actually 1.5 years... since Jan, 07)
    And the Repubs are after Obama for a lack of experience? And they seek this woman out for their own ticket......
  • Timbales

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    I think it's a pretty shrewd choice. She's not a Washington DC insider. She's younger and I think a lot more relatable than Hillary to the average American woman.

    Honestly, how much experience does a Senator have anyway? Governor is better prep for the job in my opinion.

    For the record - I'm a registered Democrat and not a McCain supporter.
  • Laurence

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:40 PM GMT
    I think it's an obvious attempt to pander to disillusioned Hilary supporters.

    Though would democrats really back a right-winger like her?

    Only time will tell I guess.

    Loz
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    A former beauty queen. He shoulda just gone shopping at Hooters.
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    I would disagree Timberoo. HRC was so relatable because she has been a nation-wide public figure since 1991. Our nations women are going to have this women on their radar for two months only. If HRC continues to be an Obama surrogate I see Palin's advantage with women as being null.
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    McGay saidA former beauty queen. He shoulda just gone shopping at Hooters.
    lol .. icon_eek.gif Yah! otherwise know as trollops r' us icon_lol.gif See, now he is going to make cindy jealous!
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    Aug 29, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    Before she became governor two years ago, she was the mayor of a city of 7,000 people.

    She's currently under investigation for using the governor's office to get political revenge on her ex-brother-in-law.

    She is also anti-choice and advocates teaching creationism in public schools.

    Didn't McCain vet her?
  • Timbales

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    Aug 29, 2008 3:56 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI would disagree Timberoo. HRC was so relatable because she has been a nation-wide public figure since 1991. Our nations women are going to have this women on their radar for two months only. If HRC continues to be an Obama surrogate I see Palin's advantage with women as being null.


    I agree HRC is more well known and admired, but I think when women look at Palin they will see someone who's a bit more like themselves.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:01 PM GMT
    A lot is going to hinge on how she performs today and next week at the RNC. This could seal the deal for McCain, or it could blow up in his face...it could go either way.
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    I think it is too obvious of a knee jerk reaction on his part to try to capture those former Hillary supporters. Its like .. "ooh look little boys and girls, ya want some candy?"

    I hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!
  • Timbales

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    I don't think she's so much a bone to the Hillary supporters as she is an incentive to female Republicans or women on the fence politically to support McCain.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI think it is too obvious of a knee jerk reaction on his part to try to capture those former Hillary supporters. Its like .. "ooh look little boys and girls, ya want some candy?"

    I hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!



    Well, few women are but a lot of good Hillary's assets did to get her the nomination or even the V.P. choice -- speaks volumes
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
    Governor Sarah Palin Chavez... hmmm. The Queen of Alaska has been nominated. All hail the Queen! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • EricLA

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    Kansan,

    Yeah, I'm not sure how this is going to play with the American public. I scoffed at Dan Quayle, and Bush/Quayle still got elected. But, you have to think her lack of experience at this time, especially given McCain's age, is not a strength. She's a heartbeat away from being President, and she's only been governor two years and was a mayor before that?

    I know there are a lot of women still furious at Obama, even after the speeches this week, especially by Hillary. It's conceivable some of them may flock to McCain. They helped push Bush over the top last election. One would hope her staunch anti-abortion stance will prevent that, but you never know.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    ActiveAndFit saidI think it is too obvious of a knee jerk reaction on his part to try to capture those former Hillary supporters. Its like .. "ooh look little boys and girls, ya want some candy?"

    I hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!



    Well, few women are but a lot of good Hillary's assets did to get her the nomination or even the V.P. choice -- speaks volumes
    Obama made his VP choice based on who would complement him best as president, not who would complement his opponent. Who is more of a leader, someone who makes a choice based on his own thinking or one who selects a "token" running mate based on his opponents choice? Now that speaks volumes.
  • groundcombat

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI think it is too obvious of a knee jerk reaction on his part to try to capture those former Hillary supporters. Its like .. "ooh look little boys and girls, ya want some candy?"

    I hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!


    Well I'm no political analyst, but some believe thaat while America was ready for a woman in the White House, they wanted one more maternal and amiable (kinda like Bill Clinton vice Hillary)
  • NorCalJD

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:37 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!


    I can see it now at the VP debates:

    Sen. Biden: "Governor Palin, I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. And Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton." She seems, at first blush, of about as much consequence as Dan Quayle was for Bush Sr. (And yes, I know Bush Sr. won with him on the ticket, but I still firmly believe that Quayle was a liability, not an asset.) And it further seems as if the McCain camp put out a casting call for a female, pro-life politician and this was the best they could do.

    Frankly I think the choice smacks a bit of desperation. As ActiveAndFit said, it's a blatant grab for Hillary supporters who have decided they cannot support Obama. But I'm having a hard time believing that Hillary supporters will get behind any candidate who is not pro-choice, even if that candidate is a woman.

    Regardless of the purported experience at the top of the ticket, I don't think the desired reaction to a VP choice is "Who?!?" And I believe that's just the reaction of the vast majority of Americans this morning.
  • groundcombat

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:38 PM GMT
    Laurence saidI think it's an obvious attempt to pander to disillusioned Hilary supporters.

    Though would democrats really back a right-winger like her?

    Only time will tell I guess.

    Loz


    Is she really that Conservative? I was under the impression that while she's a Republican, she's more like the McCain of old. Word on the street is her first veto in office was to back gay civil union rights or something gay-friendly.
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:39 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said
    Well, few women are but a lot of good Hillary's assets did to get her the nomination or even the V.P. choice -- speaks volumesObama made his VP choice based on who would complement him best as president, not who would complement his opponent. Who is more of a leader, someone who makes a choice based on his own thinking or one who selects a "token" running mate based on his opponents choice? Now that speaks volumes.


    This was similar to my thoughts as well. It's almost too transparent in motivation, re:siphoning Hillary supporters, attempting to seem progressive, etc. Does McCain even know her? I know there have been past VP choices who were not necessarily buddies and friends of the candidate, but this is indeed a case of strange bedfellows.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:41 PM GMT
    I must say, knowing absolutely nothing about her going in other than that she is the 1st term Governor of Alaska, listening to her speech I feel much better than I did an hour ago. She's attractive...she's confident...she's a solid speaker...let's hope America feels the same way.
  • EricLA

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:42 PM GMT
    NorCalJD said
    ActiveAndFit saidI hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!


    I can see it now at the VP debates:

    Sen. Biden: "Governor Palin, I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. And Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton." She seems, at first blush, of about as much consequence as Dan Quayle was for Bush Sr. (And yes, I know Bush Sr. won with him on the ticket, but I still firmly believe that Quayle was a liability, not an asset.) And it further seems as if the McCain camp put out a casting call for a female, pro-life politician and this was the best they could do.

    Frankly I think the choice smacks a bit of desperation. As ActiveAndFit said, it's a blatant grab for Hillary supporters who have decided they cannot support Obama. But I'm having a hard time believing that Hillary supporters will get behind any candidate who is not pro-choice, even if that candidate is a woman.

    Regardless of the purported experience at the top of the ticket, I don't think the desired reaction to a VP choice is "Who?!?" And I believe that's just the reaction of the vast majority of Americans this morning.


    Haha, I was thinking about the Hillary Clinton line myself this morning. The Democrats HAVE to work it in there somehow.
  • groundcombat

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    Aug 29, 2008 4:44 PM GMT
    EricLA said
    NorCalJD said
    ActiveAndFit saidI hope former Hillary supporters feel insulted. That lady is no Hillary!


    I can see it now at the VP debates:

    Sen. Biden: "Governor Palin, I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. And Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton."


    Haha, I was thinking about the Hillary Clinton line myself this morning. The Democrats HAVE to work it in there somehow.


    Yeah, and keep in mind this is the same sort of line that got the Clintons painted as racists. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:49 PM GMT
    Palin is on record as being for bans on marriage for gays (though she curiously used a veto as gov. to go against a ballot initive to target gay civil union rights, an ass-up way of supporting gays); she's pro-life; is vocally critical of energy congolmerates; is a member of the NRA; and (the real trump card) she has a son to be deployed to Iraq. (In a related note, she's also a huge fitness and outdoors enthusiast!)

    Clearly Palin is a salvo to those Clinton enthusiasts though as far as her on the ticket with John "POW" McCain, it's peculiar. The race sure as hell got a lot more interesting with her as a pick!
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    Aug 29, 2008 4:56 PM GMT
    One thing that I noticed while watching Palin speak was how well she seemed to relate to average people which is an area where McCain lacks.

    Personally, I think that Palin is an excellent choice. I am an independent and have been reluctant to jump on the Obama band wagon until both canidates had picked their running mates. I still don't know which way I will go. I can't wait to see how Palin does at the convention.

    As far as experience goes, I am not one that thinks that having years and years of political experience is necessarily a good thing, which is one thing that has made me like Obama. From what I've heard and read, it appears that although Palin has only been governor for a short time, she has gotten many things done. Should make things interesting from now until election day!


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    Aug 29, 2008 5:02 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI must say, knowing absolutely nothing about her going in other than that she is the 1st term Governor of Alaska, listening to her speech I feel much better than I did an hour ago. She's attractive...she's confident...she's a solid speaker...let's hope America feels the same way.
    icon_eek.gifYou know nothing but she is attractive? Speaker? You mean she can give a good speech? Like Obama?icon_eek.gif


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    Sounds like good criteria for a VP to me!

    Look people. One of the major things we need now is improved foreign relations as the world is pretty much fed up with the bumbling of the current administration. It is as a former us official said:

    Former official"that the next president will need to work to restore America's standing in the world.

    "I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years," he said. "A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America. Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years."


    Everyone knows that Biden is a well respected foreign relations whiz. What is this lady going to do to relate internationally? Take them hunting and give them a moose burger? We need diplomats running this country, not Calamity Jane and her sidekick Maverick.