Biden was wrong. Ryan sent at least four stimulus requests.

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    Oct 13, 2012 9:55 AM GMT
    "A Freedom of Information Act request for correspondence between Ryan's office and the Environmental Protection Agency, filed by The Huffington Post, unearthed two additional instances in which the Wisconsin Republican petitioned for American Recovery Act funds. In addition, there were many other occasions in which the GOP vice presidential nominee asked the EPA for grant money for projects in Wisconsin's 1st District, which encompasses Ryan's hometown of Janesville and has a slight Democratic lean. Combined, the letters muddy Ryan's claim that the stimulus wasn't helpful and that government spending, more broadly, doesn't assist small businesses. ...

    But the letters' language reveals a congressman who was involved in reviewing the applications and determining that taxpayer money could be useful economically. Moreover, the direct petitioning of the EPA could prove awkward for the Republican ticket, owing to the insistence among many in the GOP that the agency is a hindrance and should be eliminated."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/10/12/paul-ryan-stimulus-funds_n_1962163.html?icid=hp_politics_top_art
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    Oct 13, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    Ryan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.
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    Oct 13, 2012 1:52 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidRyan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.

    That's not the point. The point is that he justified it as "job creating." So it's disingenuous of him to knock the stimulus money now.
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    Oct 13, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidRyan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.

    That's not the point. The point is that he justified it as "job creating." So it's disingenuous of him to knock the stimulus money now.


    That's not the point. Ryan's job 'then' was to represent his district. If the feds are handing out 'free' money, his job was to go get some and figure out some way to justify it. It's going to some representative's district so why not his?

    Different job he's applying for now.
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    Oct 13, 2012 2:33 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree saidRyan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.

    That's not the point. The point is that he justified it as "job creating." So it's disingenuous of him to knock the stimulus money now.


    That's not the point. Ryan's job 'then' was to represent his district. If the feds are handing out 'free' money, his job was to go get some and figure out some way to justify it. It's going to some representative's district so why not his?

    Different job he's applying for now.

    But the justification still stands. The stimulus money was appropriated to ccreate jobs and that is just what Ryan said it did.
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    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree saidRyan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.

    That's not the point. The point is that he justified it as "job creating." So it's disingenuous of him to knock the stimulus money now.


    That's not the point. Ryan's job 'then' was to represent his district. If the feds are handing out 'free' money, his job was to go get some and figure out some way to justify it. It's going to some representative's district so why not his?

    Different job he's applying for now.

    But the justification still stands. The stimulus money was appropriated to ccreate jobs and that is just what Ryan said it did.


    Yes it does so I don't blame him. If the feds are passing out 'free' money, why not get some for his district? It's going to go somewhere.
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    Oct 13, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
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    Yes it does so I don't blame him. If the feds are passing out 'free' money, why not get some for his district? It's going to go somewhere.


    Taking the money then and repudiating the idea now, leaves him looking like a hypocrite. Still, hypocrisy seems to be the stock-in-trade of so many Republicans.
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    Oct 13, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    In a nutshell:
    Ryan requested stimulus money for his district because he wanted to help create jobs.

    Now Ryan has flip-flopped and claims stimulus funds do NOT create jobs.

    He is a liar and a hypocrite.
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    Oct 13, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree saidRyan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.

    That's not the point. The point is that he justified it as "job creating." So it's disingenuous of him to knock the stimulus money now.


    That's not the point. Ryan's job 'then' was to represent his district. If the feds are handing out 'free' money, his job was to go get some and figure out some way to justify it. It's going to some representative's district so why not his?

    Different job he's applying for now.

    But the justification still stands. The stimulus money was appropriated to ccreate jobs and that is just what Ryan said it did.


    Yes it does so I don't blame him. If the feds are passing out 'free' money, why not get some for his district? It's going to go somewhere.

    It's the hypocrisy. Are you incapable of seeing the point?
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    Oct 13, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidIn a nutshell:
    Ryan requested stimulus money for his district because he wanted to help create jobs.

    Now Ryan has flip-flopped and claims stimulus funds do NOT create jobs.

    He is a liar and a hypocrite.

    Thank you.
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    Oct 13, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
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    It's the hypocrisy. Are you incapable of seeing the point?


    He is a gay man who boasts about voting for Santorum. Need you ask?
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    Oct 13, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon21000 said
    freedomisntfree saidRyan represents the constituents in his district. If the feds are handing out ‘free’ money, it’s his job to get him some for his district.

    That's not the point. The point is that he justified it as "job creating." So it's disingenuous of him to knock the stimulus money now.


    That's not the point. Ryan's job 'then' was to represent his district. If the feds are handing out 'free' money, his job was to go get some and figure out some way to justify it. It's going to some representative's district so why not his?

    Different job he's applying for now.

    But the justification still stands. The stimulus money was appropriated to ccreate jobs and that is just what Ryan said it did.


    Yes it does so I don't blame him. If the feds are passing out 'free' money, why not get some for his district? It's going to go somewhere.

    It's the hypocrisy. Are you incapable of seeing the point?


    I'm plenty capable of seeing my point.
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    Oct 13, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidIn a nutshell:
    Ryan requested stimulus money for his district because he wanted to help create jobs.

    Now Ryan has flip-flopped and claims stimulus funds do NOT create jobs.

    He is a liar and a hypocrite.

    Thank you.


    Never ever happened in politics before and certainly never from the democrats

    /sarc
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    Oct 13, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    RYAN CAUGHT ON TAPE LYING ABOUT MAJOR CAMPAIGN ISSUE:

    This video shows Ryan stating unequivocally that he never asked for stimulus funds for Wisconsin and further declaring that he’s “not one of those people who votes for something, then writes to the government asking them to send us money. I did not request any stimulus money.

    Which, actually, he did, as Vice President Joe Biden pointed out in Thursday night’s vice presidential debate, and was also revealed in the official correspondence from Ryan's office, in addition to other requests for stimulus funds. Ryan was caught lying.

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    Oct 13, 2012 6:37 PM GMT
    Yep, two most WAY overused words from the left 'liar' and 'hate'
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    Oct 13, 2012 6:39 PM GMT
    and away we go ...

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2012-vp-debate/2012/10/11/biden-falsely-claims-he-voted-against-afghanistan-iraq-wars
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    Oct 13, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidand away we go ...

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2012-vp-debate/2012/10/11/biden-falsely-claims-he-voted-against-afghanistan-iraq-wars

    I don't know why these guys lie. Do they think nobody is gonna find out? Fuck! They are fact-checked before the debate is over. Srsly!
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    Oct 13, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    "I was there, I voted against them" "No we can't afford that"

    At the start of the clip they're talking about the war and then medicare and then a trillion dollar tax cut... It sounds to me like he was saying he voted against just the tax cut... otherwise he would have said I voted against all those.
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    Oct 13, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidIn a nutshell:
    Ryan requested stimulus money for his district because he wanted to help create jobs.

    Now Ryan has flip-flopped and claims stimulus funds do NOT create jobs.

    He is a liar and a hypocrite.



    if you cannot see the nuance , then fine think that.

    I do not think anyone could say a Stimulus creates NO job. Its just that it is inefficient way to do so.

    When the money has to funnel through the government it gets diverted from the economy and back to the people. There is inefficiency. The government ultimately picks the winners and losers. As we see its often wrong on which projects to invest the money. The market is much better.

    If the same amount of money was provided via tax breaks/incentives it would be more efficient.

    Ryan represents a district , of course if money is appropriated he should ask for it. If he didnt his district would be getting a net negative. His district pays the taxes for that "stimulus money " to be generated.


    to say he "lied" or is flip flopping is only true in the rabid liberal universe.

    Everyone would have much better off taking the 800 billion and distributing it to each man woman and child rather than going through the government.


    CBO estimated 500k to 3.3 million jobs "created" by the stimulus.

    do the math. Even if you accept the ridiculous 3 million jobs number that is roughly 3 million jobs at 260,000 dollars a year.

    ( did we actually see that?) NO , the difference between that and what we saw is equal to the WASTE of the government.

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    Oct 13, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
    If all those tax breaks and trickle-down work, then why aren't we up to our ears in jobs? The Reagan-Republican economic theories are bullshit. It's just cover for the rich and business to get tax breaks...and then keep the money. In the future, ant tax breaks meant to create jobs have to be linked to job creation. No jobs, pay the tax break back. But them the giv't would have to monitor the jobs. Fuck that. Just pay the damn taxes.
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    Oct 13, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    Caslon21000 saidIf all those tax breaks and trickle-down work, then why aren't we up to our ears in jobs? The Reagan-Republican economic theories are bullshit. It's just cover for the rich and business to get tax breaks...and then keep the money.


    What conversation do you want to have? The conversation about a stimulus ? or that of lower taxes?


    You put forth a premise ( why are we in such dire straights given prior tax breaks/ given prior policies?)

    My answer is, we have a natural business cycle. With highs and lows. In 2008 a convergence of things contributed to a big recession.

    From your answer i am guessing you feel that higher taxes are going to help in this situation. How so?
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    Oct 13, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    Ryan begged for stimulus money for his district...If he truly believed this was the wrong policy or direction for our country to undertake you wouldn't ask for the economic assistance...unless you're a hypocrite...WHICH HE IS....FAIL
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    Oct 13, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    mybud saidRyan begged for stimulus money for his district...If he truly believed this was the wrong policy or direction for our country to undertake you wouldn't ask for the economic assistance...unless you're a hypocrite...WHICH HE IS....FAIL


    Your entitled to your opinion. The money was appropriated. To ask his district to not take advantage of it would in effect be given them a tax hike.

    The liberals in congress are against the bush tax cuts. How many did not take them on their returns? I guess it all of them did.

    What a narrow and obscure way to look at this situation. What it is designed to do is to change the conversation and convince people who may not be savy on politics on some sort of inconsistency . I doubt its gonna work.
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    Oct 13, 2012 8:21 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    mybud saidRyan begged for stimulus money for his district...If he truly believed this was the wrong policy or direction for our country to undertake you wouldn't ask for the economic assistance...unless you're a hypocrite...WHICH HE IS....FAIL


    Your entitled to your opinion. The money was appropriated. To ask his district to not take advantage of it would in effect be given them a tax hike.

    The liberals in congress are against the bush tax cuts. How many did not take them on their returns? I guess it all of them did.

    What a narrow and obscure way to look at this situation. What it is designed to do is to change the conversation and convince people who may not be savy on politics on some sort of inconsistency . I doubt its gonna work.
    Ryan like Romney talk from both sides of their mouths....On every fucking issue...they change their views according to public polls...Ain't it a fuckin laugh...They blamed Obama for this when he was leading by larger numbers late last month....Most people remember the lies that got us in two wars in which Obama was burdened with....BUSH LIED TO US....Now Romney/Ryan.......Have a nice day
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    Oct 13, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
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    mybud saidRyan begged for stimulus money for his district...If he truly believed this was the wrong policy or direction for our country to undertake you wouldn't ask for the economic assistance...unless you're a hypocrite...WHICH HE IS....FAIL

    You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think it passes the common sense test. Ryan can oppose the stimulus because he believes it is a waste or inefficient use of taxpayer money. But knowing it is going to be spent anyway, why would he not want some of the taxpayer money from his own district to come back to his district rather than go to someone else's district?

    If some of you guys can't understand that, then you're clearly in a different universe.
    And you're a troll....look at the postings....You probably not even gay...