Kiki and the the Flaming Gypsies

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    Oct 15, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
    A friend sent me this today. His daughter is part of a fire dancing troup in St. Croix. Love it!

    Kiki and the Flaming Gypsies Triathlon Jump-up St. Croix, US virgin islands. Fire dancing at comanche mill yachtless Club. Music by Benny Bennigan "Snake Charmer". May 2012.

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    Oct 16, 2012 3:23 AM GMT
    I've always been a little curious about gypsies actually. Based on my reading of archealogical history, I understand that their origins go back to black african ancient egypt (kemet). I wonder if they know that? I would like to learn more about them actually.
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    Oct 16, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    Let's have have a KiKi... Muthafucka!icon_cool.gif

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    Helios69 saidA friend sent me this today. His daughter is part of a fire dancing troup in St. Croix. Love it!

    Kiki and the Flaming Gypsies Triathlon Jump-up St. Croix, US virgin islands. Fire dancing at comanche mill yachtless Club. Music by Benny Bennigan "Snake Charmer". May 2012.


    The Yachtless Club. That's funny.

    The Comanche is also the nearby hotel as well as the name of the hotel owners', the Dales, boat, an impressive sloop, about a 90 footer, dark blue I think but I'm going back decades. Massive freeboard. I remember it sat high in the water. In my youth I was friendly with the owner's kid (the guy was pretty hot) and was good friends with his best friend who I often skied with.

    And we used to do something kind of bad in retrospect. We used to splash tourists on the docks with walls of water on some fast and hard turns. It seemed funny at the time.

    That guy's parents had a wonderful house with it's own sugar mill (a whatever century ruin). And the Dales had, probably still have, this gorgeous raised jut of land with a big house on it. That St. Croix is a magical little island. My ol'man was there building docks for the supertankers new at that time. My life was snorkling and rainbows just about every day. What a great place to be a kid.
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    Oct 16, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    araphael saidI've always been a little curious about gypsies actually. Based on my reading of archealogical history, I understand that their origins go back to black african ancient egypt (kemet). I wonder if they know that? I would like to learn more about them actually.


    I'm afraid that your information is incorrect. My mother is one of the Roma or Romani people, which is the proper name for the Gypsies. They are not connected ethnically with Egypt. The Gypsies originated in India, where they were an enthic group in the north near where Pakistan is today. They were physically dark but not black, lighter than the people of Southern India. The Gypsies were driven out by the Aryans from the Northwest in about the 10th century. From there they spread to Russia, Eastern Europe, Egypt, Palestine and Britain.

    The Gypsies were not accepted because they did not suscribe to local religions and ways of life. They became wanderers without a homeland for centuries. They developed a culture of great secrecy and oral tradition. In Gypsy customs, oral family history has a great prevelance and elders are held in great respect.

    Eventually, the Gypsies developed into three distinct groups. The Roma in Russia and Eastern Europe. The Sinti in Palestine and the Middle East. And the Yeni in France and Spain, who are very light skinned.

    During World War II, Hitler targeted the Gypsies because they were a dark skinned ethnic minority that he considered inferior. Unlike the Jews, the Gypsies consider the Holocaust as a great shame on their history and do not speak of it and have tried to blot it from memory. As a result, we are unsure of the extent of their extermination, but of the 1.5 million prewar Gypsies, at least a third of their number perished in Treblinka and Auschwitz, and many more were shot by Nazi killing squads. My mother's family managed to escape their homes along the Volga in the early 20th century and the Germans from Russia smuggled them to London and eventually Belfast were my grandparents and mother was born. A couple of decades later, their village was eradicated, along with every family member they left behind.

    Today the Gypsies exist in a diminished and more social form. Gone are the days of traveling camps, about 70% of the Roma people are simply citizens of their nation and happen to be of a different ethnicity. While generations of abuse and prejudice have diminished in Europe, they are by no means eradicated. I myself have been called "Gypo dog" on occasion by people who knew my ancestry, even though I do not identify with my mother's people as I didn't grow up in that community.

    The stereotypes of mystic seers, traveling wagons, fortune tellers and Gypsy carnivals are mostly romanticized with little truth behind them. The Gypsies are for the most part a tragic people.
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    Oct 16, 2012 11:55 PM GMT
    I thought this was going to be about Gmack icon_neutral.gif
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 17, 2012 12:07 AM GMT
    _SAGE_ saidLet's have have a KiKi... Muthafucka!icon_cool.gif



    God Jake Shears hypnotizes me, he's perfect.
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    Oct 17, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
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    Helios69 saidA friend sent me this today. His daughter is part of a fire dancing troup in St. Croix. Love it!

    Kiki and the Flaming Gypsies Triathlon Jump-up St. Croix, US virgin islands. Fire dancing at comanche mill yachtless Club. Music by Benny Bennigan "Snake Charmer". May 2012.


    The Yachtless Club. That's funny.

    The Comanche is also the nearby hotel as well as the name of the hotel owners', the Dales, boat, an impressive sloop, about a 90 footer, dark blue I think but I'm going back decades. Massive freeboard. I remember it sat high in the water. In my youth I was friendly with the owner's kid (the guy was pretty hot) and was good friends with his best friend who I often skied with.

    And we used to do something kind of bad in retrospect. We used to splash tourists on the docks with walls of water on some fast and hard turns. It seemed funny at the time.

    That guy's parents had a wonderful house with it's own sugar mill (a whatever century ruin). And the Dales had, probably still have, this gorgeous raised jut of land with a big house on it. That St. Croix is a magical little island. My ol'man was there building docks for the supertankers new at that time. My life was snorkling and rainbows just about every day. What a great place to be a kid.

    Do you remember Dr. Ghastly on St. Croix television back in 1982 or so? He was a late night horror host. His daughter is one of the dancers in this video. The girl with the short hair and the Hoola Hoop.
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    Oct 17, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    _SAGE_ saidLet's have have a KiKi... Muthafucka!icon_cool.gif



    God Jake Shears hypnotizes me, he's perfect.


    Really?! icon_eek.gif.. OK lol, I guess ;]

    Anna Matronic hypnotises me- I don't know why exactly, but I can't look away... And I don't want to icon_neutral.gif
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    Oct 17, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    First it was flaming faggots. Now it's flaming gypsies?

    WTF is this world coming to?!?!? icon_eek.gif
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    araphael saidI've always been a little curious about gypsies actually. Based on my reading of archealogical history, I understand that their origins go back to black african ancient egypt (kemet). I wonder if they know that? I would like to learn more about them actually.


    I'm afraid that your information is incorrect. My mother is one of the Roma or Romani people, which is the proper name for the Gypsies. They are not connected ethnically with Egypt. The Gypsies originated in India, where they were an enthic group in the north near where Pakistan is today. They were physically dark but not black, lighter than the people of Southern India. The Gypsies were driven out by the Aryans from the Northwest in about the 10th century. From there they spread to Russia, Eastern Europe, Egypt, Palestine and Britain.

    The Gypsies were not accepted because they did not suscribe to local religions and ways of life. They became wanderers without a homeland for centuries. They developed a culture of great secrecy and oral tradition. In Gypsy customs, oral family history has a great prevelance and elders are held in great respect.

    Eventually, the Gypsies developed into three distinct groups. The Roma in Russia and Eastern Europe. The Sinti in Palestine and the Middle East. And the Yeni in France and Spain, who are very light skinned.

    During World War II, Hitler targeted the Gypsies because they were a dark skinned ethnic minority that he considered inferior. Unlike the Jews, the Gypsies consider the Holocaust as a great shame on their history and do not speak of it and have tried to blot it from memory. As a result, we are unsure of the extent of their extermination, but of the 1.5 million prewar Gypsies, at least a third of their number perished in Treblinka and Auschwitz, and many more were shot by Nazi killing squads. My mother's family managed to escape their homes along the Volga in the early 20th century and the Germans from Russia smuggled them to London and eventually Belfast were my grandparents and mother was born. A couple of decades later, their village was eradicated, along with every family member they left behind.

    Today the Gypsies exist in a diminished and more social form. Gone are the days of traveling camps, about 70% of the Roma people are simply citizens of their nation and happen to be of a different ethnicity. While generations of abuse and prejudice have diminished in Europe, they are by no means eradicated. I myself have been called "Gypo dog" on occasion by people who knew my ancestry, even though I do not identify with my mother's people as I didn't grow up in that community.

    The stereotypes of mystic seers, traveling wagons, fortune tellers and Gypsy carnivals are mostly romanticized with little truth behind them. The Gypsies are for the most part a tragic people.

    I believe the Roma are discrimated against to this very day.
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    Oct 17, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
    [quote]I believe the Roma are discrimated against to this very day. [/quote]

    Yes. Especially in countries like Romania, Belarus and Russia. France has had some difficulty with their migrant Roma populations, but it's very much a quagmire of political correctness.

    However, most nations now include the Roma in their non-discrimination laws, even if many people ignore them, it's still a step in the right direction. The Holocaust had the perverse blessing of making discrimination against the Roma no longer politically correct, as countries like Croatia where not one Gypsy survived were put on the international shame list.

    Any minority is still discriminated against somewhere. But not nearly to the extent of 70 years ago and back. It's interesting that if I tell people in mainland Europe I'm of Gypsy descent, I run the risk of being called slurs or shunned. Here in America such a reaction is seen as ridiculous and laughable. My own people in Ireland didn't give much of a damn either as long as I bought a round when it was my turn.
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    Helios69 saidDo you remember Dr. Ghastly on St. Croix television back in 1982 or so? He was a late night horror host. His daughter is one of the dancers in this video. The girl with the short hair and the Hoola Hoop.


    Sorry no, I was about a decade earlier. During a pretty dangerous era of the island's history, actually. The friend I mentioned almost got killed while hitchhiking. Though the worst I personally witnessed was when some Cruzians whipped their horse blood red in the water right in front of our condo balcony. I'll never forget it. Other than that, oh, and that neighbor who got hacked to bits, I thought it was a very nice experience. But mom was like, get us the fuck outa here. We wound up in Florida.

    I kept in touch with my island friends for a few years but then college and life got in the way. If I had a partner or wasn't gay I could live on an island again but single and gay no way. You can make fast friends in a place like that but probably not many opportunities to meet a mate.
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    Oct 17, 2012 4:53 AM GMT
    mmmmm jake shears
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    Oct 17, 2012 5:31 AM GMT
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    TroyAthlete saidGod Jake Shears hypnotizes me, he's perfect.


    Really?! icon_eek.gif.. OK lol, I guess ;]


    Haha. I have a unique taste, definitely not into the gay standard generically hot Abercrombie cookie-cutter muscle guys. I tend to like generically hot cookie-cutter muscle guys who are slightly off-kilter somehow -- face with character, unique style, 3-pack instead of a 6-pack, ethnic or Jewish (or Jewish-looking), ever so slightly soft/feminine, etc.

    He hits all the right buttons. And he can dance and has thick legs (jackpot!) Definite boyfriend material...whew.
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    _SAGE_ said
    TroyAthlete saidGod Jake Shears hypnotizes me, he's perfect.


    Really?! icon_eek.gif.. OK lol, I guess ;]


    Haha. I have a unique taste, definitely not into the gay standard generically hot Abercrombie cookie-cutter muscle guys. I tend to like generically hot cookie-cutter muscle guys who are slightly off-kilter somehow -- face with character, unique style, 3-pack instead of a 6-pack, ethnic or Jewish (or Jewish-looking), ever so slightly soft/feminine, etc.

    He hits all the right buttons. And he can dance and has thick legs (jackpot!) Definite boyfriend material...whew.


    I feel you on that note- i'm often attracted to the slightly unconventional looking ones too lol... Cookie-cutter tends to look nice on paper, but IRL, tends to be as physically/chemically attractive as A4 paper (not a racial jibe people, the paper can be any colour ;).

    Some of guys I've been most attracted to have had something slightly quirky looking about them, or would probably be deemed 'average looking' by most, yet something about their persona/smell/demeanour just sets them apart and well above everybody else in my eyes =]

    BTW: A hot jew is everything- i'll raise my glass to that (not a euphemism) icon_cool.gif