BAR WORKERS, UNITE!!

  • gsh1964

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    Aug 30, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    Being in the gay bar industry, I'm starting to learn many things about our community.
    Share your biggest pet peve about bartending or bar working.

    Mine would be, drunk people thinking they know all about everyone and everything.

    Okay, I have to add another one, back sided compliments. For instance, "Your outfit looks really nice, but I would look better in it."

    Please share and explain how you deal with it.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 30, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    You bar workers have a very demanding job. Personally, I couldn't do it.
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    Aug 31, 2008 1:23 AM GMT
    For about a year and a half, before I joined the Army, I worked in a few night clubs in Massachusetts. I was saddened to find out how prevalent the drug culture was. Even among my fellow coworkers.

    When winter holidays came along and my job at the sawmill closed down for 3 weeks, I was able to pick up a few more hours at the bar as well as attend a few parties when we were down working. In some of those parties, the hosts directed the guests both where to put their coats and where different arrays of drugs were laid out for the guests. It was sad.

    When my three weeks of vacation from the sawmill and my immersion into the gay bar scene was complete, I headed to the recruiters office to pursue my lifelong dream of serving my country.
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    Aug 31, 2008 5:50 AM GMT
    Crimthann saidFor about a year and a half, before I joined the Army, I worked in a few night clubs in Massachusetts. I was saddened to find out how prevalent the drug culture was. Even among my fellow coworkers.

    When winter holidays came along and my job at the sawmill closed down for 3 weeks, I was able to pick up a few more hours at the bar as well as attend a few parties when we were down working. In some of those parties, the hosts directed the guests both where to put their coats and where different arrays of drugs were laid out for the guests. It was sad.

    When my three weeks of vacation from the sawmill and my immersion into the gay bar scene was complete, I headed to the recruiters office to pursue my lifelong dream of serving my country.


    I hear what you are saying. I don't know if you spend your time a lot around gay environements. It is sad. But I have to say the following.

    Here in New York City, I interact a lot with many different kinds of people, straight and gay. I SEE that the stuff you refer to is ALSO prevelent among a lot of straight people too.

    There is a tendency among "us" to somehow think that many of us are fucked up...and that is friggin true. But the same can be said about society in general....straioght people.

    I think since a lot of us are in contact with "gay" culture, we tend to think that Gay people are more fucked up than the rest of the world. It simply isn't true.

    People are people.

    Remember, you are refering to a bar scene.with booze. Everybody acts differently than normal. Some people say that your true personality comes out when you are drunk.

    The same is true for straight society as well.

    But not everyone is so weird ......I've made some great friends just talking and shooting the breeze at a bar....having a few drinks.....and good aspects of human nature also show their true personality.

    Lot's of those "saddened" guys you experienced in the bar also have good jobs and a decent place to live, just like anyome else. Maybve they just wanted to say "fuck it" and let their hair down.

    A bar is just a a slice of the bigger picture of life.

    So how do I deal with it? I know who I am. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I consider myself kind to everyone, even if they are drunk or out of line. It's not easy. But sometimes I have seen the worst assholes turn into kind people because I made it clear where I was coming from and they respected that.
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    Aug 31, 2008 12:46 PM GMT
    I tended bar for a couple years at a local club and the bad tippers are the worst.. they are typically the younger guys.. the same ones that will complain about their drink and demand a new one on the house AFTER they drank the "bad" one.

    the rule of thumb is a buck a drink guys..if you can't scrape up the money for a top shelf long island and throw in a buck for the bartender.. you should switch to beer!
  • Laurence

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    Aug 31, 2008 1:23 PM GMT
    Tiping barstaff is a bit different in the UK.

    You are only expected to tip if you have good service, though as I rule I tend to tip barstaff anyways as they aren't very well paid.

    In the US, where service on the whole is a lot better than in the UK I always tip.

    Keep up the good work guys, you make our evenings better by offering good service.

    Lozx
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    Aug 31, 2008 1:49 PM GMT
    Lapinblanc said
    the rule of thumb is a buck a drink guys..if you can't scrape up the money for a top shelf long island and throw in a buck for the bartender.. you should switch to beer!


    Here's my thing with the "buck a drink" policy, and it's just for me. I realize that you work for your tips, but I'm sorry..... screwing off the lid on a bottle of beer isn't the most tipworthy of bartending duties. I'll even it out over the course of the evening, and the good bartenders will notice. Mixing shots & drinks, I always tip for, and typically generously. But the way I see it, if a beer is three bucks, and I tip a dollar, then I'm tipping 33%, for screwing off the lid of a beer and handing it to me. And unless you do it naked, you're not getting a 33% tip for a bottle of beer.
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    Aug 31, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    First let me start off by saying I have never been, nor do I ever intend on being a bartender.
    With that said, I am a firm believer of tipping for good service. There is more to being a bartender than just "screwing off the lid of a beer."
    In my opinion, you are not just tipping the guy/gal for snagging you a beer. You are also tipping for the interaction that takes place.
    A convincing smile, a lil chit-chat and some friendly flirting IN ADDITION to "screwing off the lid" to meh beer turns a 3 dollar transaction into 5.

    OH!!! and keep the change.

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    Aug 31, 2008 3:05 PM GMT
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    Crimthann saidFor about a year and a half, before I joined the Army, I worked in a few night clubs in Massachusetts. I was saddened to find out how prevalent the drug culture was. Even among my fellow coworkers.

    When winter holidays came along and my job at the sawmill closed down for 3 weeks, I was able to pick up a few more hours at the bar as well as attend a few parties when we were down working. In some of those parties, the hosts directed the guests both where to put their coats and where different arrays of drugs were laid out for the guests. It was sad.

    When my three weeks of vacation from the sawmill and my immersion into the gay bar scene was complete, I headed to the recruiters office to pursue my lifelong dream of serving my country.


    I hear what you are saying. I don't know if you spend your time a lot around gay environements. It is sad. But I have to say the following.

    Here in New York City, I interact a lot with many different kinds of people, straight and gay. I SEE that the stuff you refer to is ALSO prevelent among a lot of straight people too.

    There is a tendency among "us" to somehow think that many of us are fucked up...and that is friggin true. But the same can be said about society in general....straioght people.

    I think since a lot of us are in contact with "gay" culture, we tend to think that Gay people are more fucked up than the rest of the world. It simply isn't true.

    People are people.

    Remember, you are refering to a bar scene.with booze. Everybody acts differently than normal. Some people say that your true personality comes out when you are drunk.

    The same is true for straight society as well.

    But not everyone is so weird ......I've made some great friends just talking and shooting the breeze at a bar....having a few drinks.....and good aspects of human nature also show their true personality.

    Lot's of those "saddened" guys you experienced in the bar also have good jobs and a decent place to live, just like anyome else. Maybve they just wanted to say "fuck it" and let their hair down.

    A bar is just a a slice of the bigger picture of life.

    So how do I deal with it? I know who I am. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I consider myself kind to everyone, even if they are drunk or out of line. It's not easy. But sometimes I have seen the worst assholes turn into kind people because I made it clear where I was coming from and they respected that.


    I understand that both straight and gay people do drugs. I spend the 99% of my time around straight people these days and I have very few gay friends. Those gay friends I do have are mostly military and do not do drugs. I have no tolerance for drug users. It isn't about 'letting your hair down.' It's a lack of moral fiber and a major character flaw.
  • MuslDrew

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    Aug 31, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    And we all are tipping for the side duties that a lot of people don't consider. They're not just opening a bottle and handing it to you. They're keeping busy with all the cleaning, restocking, etc.
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    Aug 31, 2008 6:00 PM GMT
    You guys work so damn hard. If my tab comes to 28 bucks for the night, I give a 10 buck tip. (the house has probably bought me an equal number of drinks).The percentage thing that people get into doesn't apply to me here at a bar.

    It's worth every penny.
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    Sep 01, 2008 2:02 AM GMT
    MuslDrew saidAnd we all are tipping for the side duties that a lot of people don't consider. They're not just opening a bottle and handing it to you. They're keeping busy with all the cleaning, restocking, etc.


    Actually, it's generally bar backs who clean and restock, and generally aren't tipped as well, because they get tipped out from the bartenders. I do fully realize that there is more that just "screwing the lid off a beer," but when I want a beer, I want a beer, not chit chat and fake flirting that we all know nothing will come of it. However, at my favorite bar, there's a system worked out. Of course, I'm there at least once a week so i guess I'm pretty much a regular (or an alcoholic). We alternate. On one night, I'll pay almost my full tab (I'll usually get at least a free shot or something), and I'll tip decently, nothing extravagent. For example, $8-10 on a $30 tab. But then on the next night, my $10 tab (which should really be at least $30, but I'll get most of my drinks free), I'll tip something ridiculous like 25 bucks. It's a pretty neat system. Plus, part of the way I see it is that I keep bringing new friends, old friends, and new people to the bar, who generally return. So I'm helping them with their business. After all, there's a reason why it's my favorite bar.
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    Sep 01, 2008 3:26 AM GMT
    To answer the original question.. I HATE when people argue with me about how to make drinks. I've been working at a bar for about 3 1/2 years now.. I've made more than a fair share of Martinis. Just because YOU don't know how to order YOUR drink the way YOU like it, doesn't mean you should be so rude. If you've got an attitude on you, then you can keep your dollar a drink. I'd rather fill the bar with people who have manners.

    If you leave a shitty tip, because you got shitty service, then hey.. we understand. But when your service is fine, and you still leave me a shitty tip... you might as well have said to me "Hey, we don't think you deserve to eat today. Enjoy!"





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    Sep 01, 2008 10:49 AM GMT
    KentuckyTuss said I HATE when people argue with me about how to make drinks. I've been working at a bar for about 3 1/2 years now.. I've made more than a fair share of Martinis. Just because YOU don't know how to order YOUR drink the way YOU like it, doesn't mean you should be so rude. If you've got an attitude on you, then you can keep your dollar a drink. I'd rather fill the bar with people who have manners.








    LOL.. AMEN, can't tell you how many times I've gotten in an arguement (typically with some ignorant twink) over how a drink should be made, IF YOU WANT BAILEYS IN YOUR CHOCOLATE MARTINI YOU NEED TO ASK FOR IT THAT WAY!... ASS!
  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 01, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    HotToddy said
    MuslDrew saidAnd we all are tipping for the side duties that a lot of people don't consider. They're not just opening a bottle and handing it to you. They're keeping busy with all the cleaning, restocking, etc.


    Actually, it's generally bar backs who clean and restock, and generally aren't tipped as well, because they get tipped out from the bartenders. I do fully realize that there is more that just "screwing the lid off a beer," but when I want a beer, I want a beer, not chit chat and fake flirting that we all know nothing will come of it. However, at my favorite bar, there's a system worked out. Of course, I'm there at least once a week so i guess I'm pretty much a regular (or an alcoholic). We alternate. On one night, I'll pay almost my full tab (I'll usually get at least a free shot or something), and I'll tip decently, nothing extravagent. For example, $8-10 on a $30 tab. But then on the next night, my $10 tab (which should really be at least $30, but I'll get most of my drinks free), I'll tip something ridiculous like 25 bucks. It's a pretty neat system. Plus, part of the way I see it is that I keep bringing new friends, old friends, and new people to the bar, who generally return. So I'm helping them with their business. After all, there's a reason why it's my favorite bar.


    I visit Cols pretty frequently. What is your favorite bar?
  • CAtoFL

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    Sep 02, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
    HotToddy said But then on the next night, my $10 tab (which should really be at least $30, but I'll get most of my drinks free), I'll tip something ridiculous like 25 bucks. It's a pretty neat system.


    Yeah, for you and the bartenders it's a 'neat system'. For the bar owner who's paying for your 'free' drinks so that you can give the bartenders the profits he should be making? Not so much.

    Unless the bartenders have express permission to be throwing you (and who knows who else) those comps, they're ripping the bar off. So enjoy it while you can.
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    Sep 02, 2008 12:44 PM GMT
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    HotToddy said But then on the next night, my $10 tab (which should really be at least $30, but I'll get most of my drinks free), I'll tip something ridiculous like 25 bucks. It's a pretty neat system.


    Yeah, for you and the bartenders it's a 'neat system'. For the bar owner who's paying for your 'free' drinks so that you can give the bartenders the profits he should be making? Not so much.

    Unless the bartenders have express permission to be throwing you (and who knows who else) those comps, they're ripping the bar off. So enjoy it while you can.


    Well, I do have a VIP pass so I never have to pay a cover. I'm pretty sure it's just me & my one friend. So I don't feel that bad about it.
  • shoelessj

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    Sep 03, 2008 3:21 PM GMT
    As a former doorman, I was not amused at the people who would get all upset when you asked for their IDs -- unless they were regulars who you knew were well over 21, its something that had to be done. And I don't care if you come here every Monday night and know that bartender, you're a friend of the owner, etc., I don't work here on that night, so I don't know you.

    Also could not stand it when it got to be last call, and people would not leave. Even when the lights were turned on and bartenders started yelling, 'go home!' people would not leave. Some were really belligerent and would say, 'hey man, i paid for this drink and i have some left and i just need to finish it.' No, you've had an hour to finish that drink. Time's up. Now you leave. Or when people who had left 10 minutes before last call start coming back in once the place was closed, 'looking for my friend,' etc. Or people who took the turning on of the lights to mean it was now time to call their friends and find out where to meet next. Go outside and make your booty calls! People who work in bars do not get paid overtime if they work past closing and folks don't realize that in some towns, if a bar that is supposed to be closed at 2am is still open at 2:03 a.m., cops and city inspectors can and will write citations, neighbors will call cops/the liquor board, and the owners might have to pay fines or potentially lose their liquor licenses. So when you're told to get the hell out already, its not only because the workers want to go home, its also because the workers and management would like to come back tomorrow night, too.

    Then there were people who'd show up after last call and I'd tell them we're closed, and they'd wave their cash in front of me and be all like "What, you don't want the money? We're gonna spend like $50 on shots, then we'll leave. You're stupid, man. You just lost $50." No we didn't, because it would take another half hour to get your asses out of the place.


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    Sep 06, 2008 5:38 PM GMT
    So here's one more thing... from the OTHER side of the bar.

    I HATE bartenders that yammer on about THEMSELVES for their entire shift!

    What happened to the good old days? When the way of the bartender was not only your drink poorer, but also sort of a therapist.. The bartender is a person your supposed to be able to build a relationship with. But the majority of the bartenders I work with do nothing but talk CONSTANTLY about themselves and how stressful and horrible THEIR life is at the expense of the poor guy at the bar who has to sit there and listen to it. He has no choice. He can't take his drink and leave. He's doomed to listen to you whine.

    AWKWARD

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    Sep 07, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
    ^ lol


    Booze costs too much in bars, can get it hella cheaper at a grocer.
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    Sep 11, 2008 12:28 AM GMT
    So I have a semi funny story to tell. Just the other night I went out to a bar with some friends, and was carded at the door. Of course.. that's no big deal. I got a baby face, and I tend to look younger than I am. So I hand the guy my I.D. and politely say, "here ya go." All was well until he pitches it at me on the table, and asks very rudely, "What's today's date, son?" I was confused and stuttered for a second before replying "Today's the 9th, right?"

    Now, my 21rst birthday was just last month, on the 16th. So it's not even a month later. Suddenly I realize WHY he's being such an asshole, when he tells me, "You're 20 until the 16th, bud." ... He has his months confused! Now really.. that's an honest mistake. But pitching the card in my face, and calling me son? That's just plain bad manners.

    You should have seen how red his face went with embarrassment when I leaned over and tapped the card saying, "Yeah... except my birthday was in August. What month is it? .. SON"


    Sweet revenge is sweet. So yeah.. the second thing I hate from a customer perspective: Rude staff.
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    Sep 11, 2008 7:42 AM GMT
    well hmmmmm i'm not a bar staff anymore... I used to be the F&B supervisor for a dance bar before and loved it.

    Still i love going to bars.... BUT I hate it when someone thinks i'm for sale.
  • kinetic

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    Sep 11, 2008 8:13 AM GMT
    I have been working in bars on and off since I was 19.
    Rude people are really my only beef. That more or less encompasses any issue that could possibly arise.
    Really drunk people that can't be reasoned with get on my nerves too but they are usually asked to leave if things are out of hand.
    I guess also stupid behavior. One thing that comes to mind was this one guy recently who was shouting into his phone how his drug dealer was on his way to deliver him an 8-ball. I mean, DUH! How effing dumb can you be??
    I can't stop anyone from being a crack-head, but please, don't be such an idiot about it...

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    Sep 11, 2008 10:17 AM GMT
    gsh1964 saidBeing in the gay bar industry, I'm starting to learn many things about our community.
    Share your biggest pet peve about bartending or bar working.

    Mine would be, drunk people thinking they know all about everyone and everything.

    Okay, I have to add another one, back sided compliments. For instance, "Your outfit looks really nice, but I would look better in it."

    Please share and explain how you deal with it.icon_biggrin.gif


    I've worked at three different bars for almost 10 years, part-time, bartending and waiting tables. Mostly waiting, I'm not white or pretty enough to bartend. LOL Walked out on 2 of them because of the bullshit, still working at the second one. 2 of the bars are gay bars. The one I work now has decent co-workers, but I'm bored with it and dying to get out of it.

    I've seen my co-workers at the 1st bar I worked at throw quarters at customers, scream at customers, give their friends free drinks, get themselves drunk on free drinks, but they would bitch about me out of jealousy, and lie to mgt about me constantly. I never yelled at customers or passed out free drinks. Its funny how much more of their shit I could see when I quit working and went their as a customer. Now I get to be the rat, except I don't have to lie or make up shit. icon_smile.gif One night I had to bartend with this bitch who called her large network of friends and ordered them to not go to my bar and only go to hers. I still out rang her sorry ass on my register by $300.00. Cuz I served my customers, instead of standing around doing free shots with my friends. A handful of customers tipped me $10 or more that night per drink because they actually got service from me. She was pissed, which led to other bullshit. Ultimately I walked out on my shift one night after the last straw and still got invited back several times until I said yes. The people at this bar only care about tips, they have no concern for the atmosphere of fun a bar should have, nor the paying customer.

    My biggest pet peeve is co-workers drama. They can be the biggest back-stabbers worst jealous type of people you will ever meet. 2nd pet peeve, their drug-friends. LOL 3rd pet peeve the management that lets them do what they want even though it ruins it for the rest of us who try to do what's right.



    And that poster or bartender that demands a dollar a drink from customers is an idiot. Yes, you live on tips, that's why YOU GIVE GOOD SERVICE. Maybe you should think about other job opportunities.

    Sorry, it got long. I haven't even bitched about being thrown in the pool, or being chased out yet, or defending my right to be there. The first bar was like Dynasty.
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    Sep 11, 2008 10:40 AM GMT
    KissingPro saidYou bar workers have a very demanding job. Personally, I couldn't do it.
    The job isn't demanding at all. The hard part is dealing with all the jackasses. The part you shouldn't have to deal with, because no one should have to work with jackasses.

    And I'm not bitter. Really.