Why not Hillary?

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    Aug 30, 2008 4:45 PM GMT
    Since the Republicans have chosen Governor Palin of Alaska to be McCain's running mate, I'm curious to hear a discussion as to why O'Bama did not choose Senator Hillary Clinton to be his Vice-President. This ticket would have definately sealed the deal this November for the Dem's. So my question: Why NOT Hillary?
  • gsh1964

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    Aug 30, 2008 5:05 PM GMT
    There's a lot of talk from the insiders that they do not actually like each other. They put on a good front and are respectful, but there is a huge dislike for each other.
    There is also been talk that Michelle is not fond of her. If you look at the way Michelle was glaring at Hillary during her speech, it says alot.

    However, I think that Hillary would make an awesome Secratary of State. She would have more power in that position than as VP.
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    Aug 30, 2008 6:35 PM GMT
    It's obvious. Obama feels threatened by Hillary. He thinks she'd steal the spotlight at every opportunity, and his term would become one long power struggle. He's probably right.

    A better question: did Hillary want the job? Maybe she thinks Obama will lose without her, and she can run for pres in 4 years - instead of being his VP for eight.

    Gotta give McCain credit - well played. He just opened the door to every woman who felt shafted by Hillary being left out.
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    Aug 30, 2008 7:22 PM GMT
    Riptjock:

    I don't think McCain "opened the door" to the majority of women who had backed Hillary. The fact is a great many women, especially the older ones who remember the pre-Roe days, are strongly pro-choice, and while that only seems to us men as one issue among many, for a lot of women it is THE most important issue. And they won't be running to a far-right Christian anti-choice creationist woman any time soon.

    Secondly, I don't think most women are impressed by being patronized and cynically used in this manner.

    Sarah Palin may have been a capable mayor of Wasilla, but I don't see her as attractive on a national stage.
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    Aug 30, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
    riptjock saidIt's obvious. Obama feels threatened by Hillary. He thinks she'd steal the spotlight at every opportunity, and his term would become one long power struggle. He's probably right.

    A better question: did Hillary want the job? Maybe she thinks Obama will lose without her, and she can run for pres in 4 years - instead of being his VP for eight.

    Gotta give McCain credit - well played. He just opened the door to every woman who felt shafted by Hillary being left out.



    I don't think Obama was threatened by Hillary in the least. I think its simply the "change" and "moving on" consideration. I can understand.
    The two might have had some power issues, thats the main reason I can see.

    McCain's cheap play won't work, most will see the reality here.
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    Aug 30, 2008 7:32 PM GMT
    Ok, I'm not racist or sexist in any way. But here are my thoughts.

    Yes, bringing in HC could have brought more votes in, but it very well could have lost more voters as well. This is history people. I don't think some people are ready for a black pres, AND a woman as a VP.

    It would have been great to just bring her along for the votes, but that's not what he wanted, he wanted to choose someone who he felt would be beneficial in the long run, not just to bring women voters in Nov.

    Because "Billary" would have undermined his presidency at every turn.

    Just a couple of my opinions.
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    Aug 30, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
    I think she's too smart to be VP. When the president has a mind of his own, the VP doesn't have that much to do.

    I'd be shocked if Obama didn't give her a cabinet position or nominate her to the Supreme Court if he gets elected.

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    Aug 30, 2008 7:35 PM GMT
    lilmaninsc saidBecause "Billary" would have undermined his presidency at every turn.


    I REALLY hate that term "Billary" but I agree with lilmansc here....I think the effort of keeping Bill from thinking it's really his third term would have been exhausting...and ultimately destructive to Obama's presidency. It ain't Hillary that's the issue here. It's Bill.
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    Aug 30, 2008 7:55 PM GMT
    I feel that Hillary is too executive to be VP.

    Instead, it is my hope that she takes over for Ted Kennedy as a lion for labor, women, and GLBT rights.
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    Aug 30, 2008 9:34 PM GMT
    MikeOnMain saidI think she's too smart to be VP. When the president has a mind of his own, the VP doesn't have that much to do.

    I'd be shocked if Obama didn't give her a cabinet position or nominate her to the Supreme Court if he gets elected.

    This gets my vote. Besides, he owes her after her DNC speech - phenomenal!
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    Aug 30, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    The only reason Chillery did well in the first place. Was because the Republicans were voting for her, as they knew America would never put a Clinton back into the white house after the disrepute, the last one put it into. No would America vote for the ice maiden anyways.

    So they voted for chillery, to stop Obama from getting to where he is now, as they knew he had a better chance of getting the top job over Chillery.

    I can truly understand why Obama would not want this Iron Maiden by his side. Pluse I think he may find it a turn off, that the hair on her chest, runs all the way down to her balls.

    Remember. If you love the USA. Put the USA first, and not your pride, and Vote republican.

    Remember. It's not what America can do for YOU.


    But......What YOU can do for America.

    Vote Republican.
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    Aug 30, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    If you love the USA you would do anything but vote Republican. McCain is a crackpot and he has proven it by taking on this freak Palin.
    Republicans want to put all of us back in the wild west times where gays were strung up with rope along with the blacks and any woman who dared speak her mind or wear pants.
    Give me a break and try thinking about the big picture rather than your self interest for a change.
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    Aug 30, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    blondnga saidIf you love the USA you would do anything but vote Republican. McCain is a crackpot and he has proven it by taking on this freak Palin.
    Republicans want to put all of us back in the wild west times where gays were strung up with rope along with the blacks and any woman who dared speak her mind or wear pants.
    Give me a break and try thinking about the big picture rather than your self interest for a change.


    Righto!!!


    And Pattison, are you even American? If not, who are you to tell us to vote Republican. We will vote for whoever we damn well please.
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    Aug 30, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    I think it comes down to strictly a matter of the appearances of control, presidential power and presidential independence. First off I think there is some concern about Obama being able to keep control of Bill and Hillary if they were elected. Having the VP and her husband overshawdowing the president could make Obama look incompetent or bring embarrasment to the administration. This is not to say at all that Bill and Hillary would not be positive assets to America, I just think there is a fear about being able to keep them in line once elected. Next, I don't think Obama wanted to be seen as bowing to pressure from Hillary and Bill to pick Hillary as his VP. Truth be told, she is probably by far the most qualified person for the job, but in the end appearances mattered more.
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    Aug 30, 2008 11:05 PM GMT
    Pattison said

    Remember. If you love the USA. Put the USA first, and not your pride, and

    Remember. It's not what America can do for YOU.


    But......What YOU can do for America.

    Vote Republican.

    I hope everyone else is getting the irony here.
    Pattison, are you a Murdoch by any chance?
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    Aug 30, 2008 11:41 PM GMT
    lefts not not forget a lefties Democrats (labour in Oz), would happily give a poor hungry man a fish to eat, a handout, buy his vote and keep him dependent.

    The right Republicans ( Liberal in Oz) would rather teach him to fish, so he can make his own way, and be independent, and go get his own food tomorrow, and not depend on hand outs.
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    Aug 30, 2008 11:41 PM GMT
    1969er saidPattison, are you a Murdoch by any chance?


    Is that some new slang word for "idiot"?
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    Aug 30, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
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    1969er saidPattison, are you a Murdoch by any chance?


    Is that some new slang word for "idiot"?


    Why because One does not see things your way, you need to resort to name calling to help you feel good?
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    Aug 30, 2008 11:50 PM GMT
    1969er said
    Pattison said

    Remember. If you love the USA. Put the USA first, and not your pride, and

    Remember. It's not what America can do for YOU.


    But......What YOU can do for America.

    Vote Republican.

    I hope everyone else is getting the irony here.
    Pattison, are you a Murdoch by any chance?


    I' take the fifth amendment on that one.icon_biggrin.gif
  • SkyMiles

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    Aug 31, 2008 12:03 AM GMT
    For me, I would vote for Hillary, think she'd be just fine as president, but is way too establishment. I thought she was great when she was the queen of health care reform and actually had the guts to take on the insurance and drug industries, but my opinion of her went sour when she sided with the credit card companies and championed that hideous bankruptcy bill on their behalf that doesn't even make exceptions for divorce, job-loss, or medical issues. That was bullshit.

    As for the VP thing, it's probably a chemistry issue. Hillary would not be happy in the number two slot. At this point in time, foreign policy wise, I really think Biden is a better practical pick.


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    Aug 31, 2008 12:06 AM GMT
    for starters Pattison (sorry if i misspelled) has a right to his opinon. If he is in the vatican city he is most likely catholic too. Catholics aren't known for their liberal open indepent mindedness. No slam intended because i am catholic as well. However, a rose by any other name is still a very difficult flower that has thorns. In addition i don't know or care if he is from the states as many europeans and the majority of this world is heavily influenced by the policies of the united states government and thus hearing an educated opinion is worth while..sadly his is not openminded or educated.
    I only disagree with him for stating that if you love the USA then you should vote Republican which obviously is wrong. we have had eight miserable years with republican rule. The republicans care nothing about advancing the states. They care only about lining their pockets with money and keeping minorities who they do not care about from obtaning equal rights. The last good republican was Abe Lincoln...and i am sure he would be shocked at what has become of his party. They do not fight for the greater good but only for their wealthy special interest groups. Not that the democrates don't have their own skeletons.
    name calling isn't necessary as political opinon is quite indicative of ones intelligence and concern. I have no doubt that Christ would be a democrate...he cared about the poor and he stood up to authority when it was oppressive and offensive. Not republican traits.
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    Aug 31, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    Pattison saidThe only reason Chillery did well in the first place. Was because the Republicans were voting for her...


    Obviously you have no clue how the American electoral process works. In the primaries, the Republicans vote for the Republican nominees, and the Democrats vote for the Democrat nominees. The only way that Republicans would be voting for Hillary is if in large numbers they chose to forego voting for their own party in the mistaken belief that no matter who the Republican nominee turned out to be, he/she could easily beat Hillary. That's a pretty bizarre strategy, but more to the point, it just didn't happen.

    I suggest you attempt to gain some actual knowledge before chiming in on threads such as this one. If that leaves you with nothing to say, so be it. We'll survive.
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    Aug 31, 2008 12:49 AM GMT
    blondnga saidfor starters Pattison (sorry if i misspelled) has a right to his opinon. If he is in the vatican city he is most likely catholic too. Catholics aren't known for their liberal open indepent mindedness. No slam intended because i am catholic as well. However, a rose by any other name is still a very difficult flower that has thorns. In addition i don't know or care if he is from the states as many europeans and the majority of this world is heavily influenced by the policies of the united states government and thus hearing an educated opinion is worth while..sadly his is not openminded or educated.
    I only disagree with him for stating that if you love the USA then you should vote Republican which obviously is wrong. we have had eight miserable years with republican rule. The republicans care nothing about advancing the states. They care only about lining their pockets with money and keeping minorities who they do not care about from obtaning equal rights. The last good republican was Abe Lincoln...and i am sure he would be shocked at what has become of his party. They do not fight for the greater good but only for their wealthy special interest groups. Not that the democrates don't have their own skeletons.
    name calling isn't necessary as political opinon is quite indicative of ones intelligence and concern. I have no doubt that Christ would be a democrate...he cared about the poor and he stood up to authority when it was oppressive and offensive. Not republican traits.


    thank you. you did spell Ones name correct! icon_biggrin.gif

    Also One is an Aussie, living down in Oz. My family has been down here for 200 years, this year in fact. before this. We where in the worlds most progressive country, Switzerland. So One is no longer Europeans, but Aussie. Nor is One any longer catholic. I may of had this evil instatusion forced on I, as a wee child. But as soon as I was able to change that, One did. One puts down vat City as me home, as satire. icon_lol.gif

    Big difference to being educated, and smart, lots of dumb people with PhD's out there, and a lot of smart uneducated ones out there too. So if this was meant as an insult, it did not work; sorry! or even to dismiss One. I love the way gays and other community dismiss people by saying: they need educating! What brainwashed to think like them, or be bullied by political correctness, to force them to conform. Sounds more like dictatorship, than education to me.

    Sorry please tell One what the Democrats have don to advance the rights of homosexuals in the past, or even recent times?

    What have they done since the 1960's to help Blake Americans be equal to white Americans. Shame when all men are born equal, it did not include the black fella!

    lets not forget when Billy was in the white house, the disrepute he put it into, to free willie, and he did not have the balls to tell the truth. He'd rather ruin the life of a young women first, as was forced to tell the truth.

    Remember when Billy was in the White House. BLACK HAWK DOWN, as well other incidents. So it's not just the republicans that send America to War, and then your friends the Aussies & Australian's, have too back you guys up, to help you fight the war you started.

    If You love the USA? Put your pride aside, and selfish want, and do whats best for the USA, and vote republican.

    The USA needs you!

    It's not what America can do for you!

    BUT....... What YOU can do for America.

    VOTE Republican.

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    Aug 31, 2008 12:54 AM GMT
    who gives a fuuuuuuck!!!!! just join me in drinking and everythign will be ok!!!!! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 31, 2008 12:59 AM GMT
    riptjock said
    Pattison saidThe only reason Chillery did well in the first place. Was because the Republicans were voting for her...


    Obviously you have no clue how the American electoral process works. In the primaries, the Republicans vote for the Republican nominees, and the Democrats vote for the Democrat nominees. The only way that Republicans would be voting for Hillary is if in large numbers they chose to forego voting for their own party in the mistaken belief that no matter who the Republican nominee turned out to be, he/she could easily beat Hillary. That's a pretty bizarre strategy, but more to the point, it just didn't happen.

    I suggest you attempt to gain some actual knowledge before chiming in on threads such as this one. If that leaves you with nothing to say, so be it. We'll survive.


    But when One was also in Hawaii, a place full of Americans. Sitting around a table one night with lots of Americans. The conversation was all about. How republicans had been voting for Chillery, as they knew she had less of a chance than Obama, of getting into the White House.

    The Republicans knew: If Chillery was where Obama is now. The Democrats would never get back into the White House this time around, as America would never put her or Bill back into the White House, and Obama has a better chance. Seems he does. The Republicans seem to have more faith in Obama winning than Cilliery. So they wanted her where Obama is now. I'm sure America is not so foolish as to put those two back into the White House. Oh seems you are not! As she is now out of the race.icon_biggrin.gif