Democrats, Republicans, OTHERS

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    Aug 30, 2008 9:50 PM GMT
    I know relationship wise a big rift exists between Republican people and Democratic people maybe even more so between Gays. And what about other parties? How would you briefly characterize the various political parties? Not individuals but the party as a whole.

    I am hoping to see real descriptive language as opposed to name calling like "idiot" and so forth.
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    Aug 31, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI often wonder how this is handled in a relationship between men.


    What is this concept "relationship"?
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    Aug 31, 2008 2:00 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    ActiveAndFit saidI often wonder how this is handled in a relationship between men.


    What is this concept "relationship"?


    Well... you know. Like the ones lesbians have. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 31, 2008 2:32 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    ActiveAndFit saidI often wonder how this is handled in a relationship between men.


    What is this concept "relationship"?
    I meant it to be generic, friends, boyfriends etc. In other words how do the differences affect relationships. I took that part out to eliminate confusion.

    But I mainly and interested in hearing how people characterize the various political parties.
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    Aug 31, 2008 4:16 AM GMT
    Well I had an incredibly liberal guy pursue me once. Eventually he caught me and we dated. I was very attracted to him because he was a great guy and very hot at that. Five days after he bought me an expensive gift for my birthday, he came over and told me it wouldn't work because our politics were too different. I've tried to be his friend, and it's gotten better (although we now live almost 2,000 miles apart), but he doesn't handle it well when we talk politics, even jokingly.
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    Aug 31, 2008 6:12 AM GMT
    I think people are misunderstanding me icon_sad.gif

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    Aug 31, 2008 6:50 AM GMT
    I will answer the question.

    Republicans - dirty scumbags with a religious bent.

    Democrats - filthy scumbags who belong in cloud cuckoo land.

    The parties' main candidates are probably the worst seen. I am only hoping there will be congressional gridlock to prevent any major legislation from passing. That may be the only way to prevent them from further pillaging the wealth of the great citizens of this nation.
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    Aug 31, 2008 9:33 AM GMT
    geras saidI will answer the question.

    Republicans - dirty scumbags with a religious bent.

    Democrats - filthy scumbags who belong in cloud cuckoo land.

    The parties' main candidates are probably the worst seen. I am only hoping there will be congressional gridlock to prevent any major legislation from passing. That may be the only way to prevent them from further pillaging the wealth of the great citizens of this nation.
    Well at least that is an opinion. I was looking for something a little more definitive though. I am not sure what cloud cuckoo land is. Also I was hoping for the "others" too. icon_eek.gif
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    Aug 31, 2008 1:11 PM GMT
    Well, I could only think of 4 political parties:
    Republican
    Democrat
    Green
    Libertarian

    Republican -
    back in the days of Reagan I characterized it as "Small Gov't, Lower Taxes, Strong Military, free market" but since 2000 its more like "Big Gov't, Lower taxes, Strong Military, free market, fiscal irresponsibilty, Executive Power, police state, Corporatism, Christian-morality enforcement".

    Democrats -
    "Gov't Responsibility (Big Gov't), Tax if needed, Military as Last Resort, Economic Protectionism of American Workers, Union Support, fiscal responsibility, freedom of expression, freedom of religion. "

    Green -
    Equality of People, Care for the Environment, Minimal but sufficient Military, Decentralization of Power - push spending and control down to more local levels.

    Libertarian -
    Take apart government - the smaller the better. Social Security - eliminate, Education System - eliminate, FDA - eliminate, FCC - eliminate, welfare - eliminate. There are better ways to do all of this and more individual responsibility coupled with charity will create better systems from the ashes of these fat, failed Gov't intrusions on liberty.

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    Aug 31, 2008 6:24 PM GMT
    Not american but oh well...

    Republican - conservative, realist, intolerant of people that do not conform to the ideal citizen, nationalistic. Machiavellan, will do anything to achieve an end. The bad: they attract the worst Americans - the people who hide their latent racism/chauvinism/bible-thumping/homophobia with the mask of nationalism. The worst: they love guns.

    Democrat - liberal, progressive, idealist, all about tolerance, pacifist. Good intentions but apt to bumble and fuck things up. The bad: Too conciliatory and given to making compromises instead of taking a stand. The worst: they attract the most rabid activists, from the anarchists to the treehuggers.
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    Aug 31, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    OHhiker saidWell, I could only think of 4 political parties:
    Republican
    Democrat
    Green
    Libertarian
    Wow, that was pretty concise and descriptive, thanks! I was hoping more people would contribute though. I think that it is helpful when we to see what each other thinks of the parties we affiliate with.
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    Aug 31, 2008 9:18 PM GMT
    Sedative saidNot american but oh well...

    Republican - conservative, realist, intolerant of people that do not conform to the ideal citizen, nationalistic. Machiavellan, will do anything to achieve an end. The bad: they attract the worst Americans - the people who hide their latent racism/chauvinism/bible-thumping/homophobia with the mask of nationalism. The worst: they love guns.

    Democrat - liberal, progressive, idealist, all about tolerance, pacifist. Good intentions but apt to bumble and fuck things up. The bad: Too conciliatory and given to making compromises instead of taking a stand. The worst: they attract the most rabid activists, from the anarchists to the treehuggers.
    Thanks sedative, even though not American, it is good to know how people of other Nations think of the U.S. We live in dire times and need to learn to share the planet. Tolerance and free speech to good for the WHOLE world and not just any one nation.
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    Aug 31, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    When it comes down to gay rights - I think Green and Libertarian sound the most accepting - or at least opposed to government involvement in personal relationships. Democrats are pro-gay in much of their speech but sometimes don't follow through completely - Clinton's 'Don't Ask Don't Tell" isn't exactly open arms acceptance. Republicans are just flat opposed to gays being equally treated and have to work to keep their base appeased because what their base would really like to see happen is complete outlaw and re-train/reconditioning of the misguided folk who consider themselves 'gay'.

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    Aug 31, 2008 9:50 PM GMT


    ...from a Canadian perspective,

    Conservative more or less equals Republican

    New Democratic Party more or less equals Democrat.

    We also have the Liberal Party, murky in-between of the above two, and constantly switching roles, like a butch guy in drag. heheh.

    Then there's the Bloc Quebecois Party, which no-one outside of Quebec can quite figure out as they could govern the whole country, yet keep rattling the sabres of separation.

    Lastly there's the Green Party, still fledgling, that believe in environment first, high taxes and high wages (which cancel each other out, go figure) and have little to offer in the way of economic stimulus.
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    Aug 31, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    OHhiker saidwww.lp.org for Libertarian
    www.gp.org for Green
    I fixed the links. Just to be fair though, here is Obama's
    http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome
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    Aug 31, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    Sedative saidNot american but oh well...

    Republican - conservative, realist, intolerant of people that do not conform to the ideal citizen, nationalistic. Machiavellan, will do anything to achieve an end. The bad: they attract the worst Americans - the people who hide their latent racism/chauvinism/bible-thumping/homophobia with the mask of nationalism. The worst: they love guns.

    Democrat - liberal, progressive, idealist, all about tolerance, pacifist. Good intentions but apt to bumble and fuck things up. The bad: Too conciliatory and given to making compromises instead of taking a stand. The worst: they attract the most rabid activists, from the anarchists to the treehuggers.


    Why Sed, if I didn't know better I would say you've been paying attention in class.icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 01, 2008 5:27 AM GMT
    Maybe my definition is simplistic but at least I don't have the view that one is just trying to do the right thing but they are frustrated. Both parties try to do what is morally right but they are guided by slightly variants of altruism. Republicans are mixture of utilitarian ethic along with reveled ethics due to the influence of religion on the party since the eighties. Democrats are mixture of utilitarians and despotic type style radicals such as Communists of the past and Environmentalists today.


    Both of the American parties as essentially statist by encouraging the growth of the state interfering with the lives because they are altruists. Republican may want a slower statism than the Democrats. Whenever Republicans oppose some social program like socialized medicine they only oppose it because it has practical faults not because the important moral reason that it not is not a right because they agree with the premise that people are morally obligated to relieve other's suffering.

    Republicans being a bastard mixture of libertarian and religious voters have a strange inconsistency of supporting and abrogating individual rights all the time. They support the people's right to own firearm, but not to an abortion. The party will support property rights and lower taxation, but they interfere with the individual's right marry whomever one choses. As the religious influence grows they will continue to become authoritarian because what is right is whatever God says and that is why the influence of government in the lives of the people continued to grow during the eight years of this administration.

    Democrats although have the admiral trait of being secular are such committed statist there is nothing else to like about them. Because they are more committed to altruism. To them rights only exist as whatever they can fool 51% to believe is a right. Although their goals are based on some mystical ideals their view on reality is essentially subjective. This invites pragmatic leaders willing to do and say anything to get and maintain power. I see the Democrats as power lusters who essentially hold "vox populi, vox dei."

    Cloudcuckooland is a fictional utopia from Aristophanes play "The Birds."

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    Sep 01, 2008 5:47 AM GMT
    geras saidCloudcuckooland is a fictional utopia from Aristophanes play "The Birds."

    Interesting, I would like to read/see this sometimes .. I love mythology.

    Also though I found it was an album .. look familiar? icon_lol.gif

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    Sep 01, 2008 3:43 PM GMT
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:49 AM GMT
    RBY71 said

    Why Sed, if I didn't know better I would say you've been paying attention in class.icon_wink.gif


    Well... even if the teachers are creepy and all, they are hawt. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:53 AM GMT
    Sedative said
    RBY71 said

    Why Sed, if I didn't know better I would say you've been paying attention in class.icon_wink.gif


    Well... even if the teachers are creepy and all, they are hawt. icon_lol.gif


    Someone needs to stay after class and clean the erasers....
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    Sep 02, 2008 4:33 AM GMT
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    Sep 02, 2008 12:19 PM GMT
    I dunno- a lot of you are describing party platforms and the views of regular people, but those who are elected into office (especially higher politcal positions) need to appear moderate. Politicians do what is necessary to win votes- Do you really thing Obama would be the Dem nomination if he came out and said, "I believe in gay marriage." I wouldn't be surpiresed if he did... but if he said it out loud it would be political suicide; he might as well hand the presidency to McCain on a gold platter.

    Politicans can't always follow party platforms in order to be elected into office- and when they are in office they do what is necessary to stay in power (look at the congressmen and congresswomen). People don't go into politics to fix things or do what's "right." Power, Greed, popularity is normally what fuels them even if they do start off with good intentions. Back in the time of the Revoultionary War, young America's best and brightest formed a government never seen before in the world- think about it... people were handing Washington the "ticket" to become the king of the new world. Thankfully his love of freedom and country prevented him from accepting the royal status. Would Bush, McCain, Obama, and/or Clinton do the same, and do we truely know what is in their heart?

    I guess what I'm saying is politicans tend to sometimes forget party platforms for the sack of staying in power and or collecting donations. We may elect a democrat/republican/independent into office- but sometimes politicans will do what is necessary to stay in power- even flip-flopping in their view points.

    On another note, rarely do you find politicans who vote solely conservative or liberal. new info is always presenting itself.

    So when people say- what is a republican? what is a democrat? I ask... Do you want the party platform? or do you want to know what party politicans believe in/vote for. Cause they tend to differ.
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:14 PM GMT
    I am a liberal who believes in maximum freedom for all citizens. I also believe in a democracy that is based on socialism & capitalism and believe there is a balance there. Neither the DNC nor the GOP reflect my full political beliefs, but the DNC is for me at least is far better the GOP.

    I doubt I could date or be in a relationship w/ someone who was a Republican, based on how the Republicans treat gays, people of color, poor, etc. My partner and I agree on most major points politically, but do have different views from each other. Of coure I am right and he is wrong, but I dont tell him that.
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:18 PM GMT
    Thanks for the new posts guys. Sometimes its good to consider what you think about others in relation to yourself. Ultimately we will bump heads and disagree, but it is at least good to consider what others think.