Defense of Marriage Act ruled unconstitutional by second US Federal appeals court

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    Oct 18, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/18/14537805-defense-of-marriage-act-ruled-unconstitutional-by-second-appeals-court?lite
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    Oct 18, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    I'm interested what implications this may have for our 2004 Marriage Amendment Act which was enacted following the introduction of civil unions in the UK -

    'Marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.
    Certain unions are not marriages. A union solemnised in a foreign country between: (a) a man and another man; or (b) a woman and another woman; must not be recognised as a marriage in Australia.'

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    Oct 18, 2012 9:25 PM GMT
    ozgreenguy saidI'm interested what implications this may have for our 2004 Marriage Amendment Act which was enacted following the introduction of civil unions in the UK -

    'Marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.
    Certain unions are not marriages. A union solemnised in a foreign country between: (a) a man and another man; or (b) a woman and another woman; must not be recognised as a marriage in Australia.'


    I would think Aussies would begin to feel uncomfortable being left out of the Anglo-American community. If fucking America approves gay marriage how can anyone argue against it.
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    Oct 18, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    ozgreenguy saidI'm interested what implications this may have for our 2004 Marriage Amendment Act which was enacted following the introduction of civil unions in the UK -

    'Marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.
    Certain unions are not marriages. A union solemnised in a foreign country between: (a) a man and another man; or (b) a woman and another woman; must not be recognised as a marriage in Australia.'

    I can't see why it would have any. If the UK and fellow Commonwealth Member Canada have civil unions and marriage that Australia does not recognize, why should the US position have any greater bearing on your country's marriage status? Wasn't gay marriage resoundingly defeated once again there recently? It likely has no more of a chance there than it does in the US, with our Republican Supreme Court.
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    Oct 19, 2012 1:53 AM GMT
    I really want one of the anti-gay conservatives to explain to me why I have to pay as much taxes as a straight person but only get some of the rights.
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    Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidI really want one of the anti-gay conservatives to explain to me why I have to pay as much taxes as a straight person but only get some of the rights.

    Because the Bible says so.
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    Oct 19, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidI really want one of the anti-gay conservatives to explain to me why I have to pay as much taxes as a straight person but only get some of the rights.

    Because the Bible says so.


    And don't forget Rush, Sean, Sarah and the ConservaPIGS that post on here.
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    Oct 19, 2012 5:44 AM GMT
    I didnt read the link and frankly dont know whats going on here.. But gay ppl seriously need to stop trying to get married, since u dont believe in god who cares, marriage isnt a right its a belief whether straight coples abuse it or even believe in god or not is a different issue. If ur gay marriage is nothing but a piece of paper that gives you all the rights as a domestic partner! THEE END. Goodnight have a great life. icon_smile.gif dont hate me plz...
  • Coug24_wyo

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    Oct 19, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
    Actually it is the difference between 1000+ benefits and rights from the government. Want to pass on your estate to your loved one regardless of their gender? Want to visit them in the hospital and make decisions with/for them? Want to get the same tax breaks and benefits that married straight couples get?
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    Oct 19, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    So heres my question. Do gay ppl wanna get married for the benifits or just the idea of getting married?
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    Oct 19, 2012 5:52 AM GMT
    For the benefits and to be recognized at an equal level as straight couples. Thats why I want to get married in the future.
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    Oct 19, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    Marriage is abused and loooonnng been disrespected might as well let gay ppl get married. I just think if society treated ppl fairly there would be no issue. Which im sure every benifit married couple gets is NOT out of reach for everyone else
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    Oct 19, 2012 9:22 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidI really want one of the anti-gay conservatives to explain to me why I have to pay as much taxes as a straight person but only get some of the rights.


    Haven't they told you? You DO have exactly the same rights, you have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 19, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    Duh. Of course it´s a violation of the constitution. The idea there is that all citizens have equal rights.

    Not a hard concept, but one that conservative christians really don´t like.
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    Oct 19, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    THE00realmain saidMarriage is abused and loooonnng been disrespected might as well let gay ppl get married. I just think if society treated ppl fairly there would be no issue. Which im sure every benifit married couple gets is NOT out of reach for everyone else


    Well you are wrong in that.
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    Oct 19, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidI really want one of the anti-gay conservatives to explain to me why I have to pay as much taxes as a straight person but only get some of the rights.


    Haven't they told you? You DO have exactly the same rights, you have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Ooooh, I always get a good laugh when someone makes that remark.
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    Oct 19, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    THE00realmain saidSo heres my question. Do gay ppl wanna get married for the benifits or just the idea of getting married?


    You'll have same sex couples that either want both, or just to only reap the benefits, or just to be married under the ideology (cause they're just so madly in looooove <3). Don't forget that many of these same people have children. Just like opposite sex couples. It's relative.

    But really, who wouldn't want to have the benefits? It's like taking a salaried job without the health insurance, paid vacation, etc.
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    Oct 19, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    THE00realmain saidSo heres my question. Do gay ppl wanna get married for the benifits or just the idea of getting married?

    Ask that same question of straight couples. I think you'll get the same answer.

    And if you mention "for the benefit of their children" I'll note that gays & lesbians adopt, or use surrogate birth mothers or sperm donors. So that the legal status of the children of gay parents is as much an issue as it is for straight parents.