New York's Liberty Ridge Farm Refuses To Host Lesbian Couple's Wedding

  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2012 7:05 AM GMT
    New York's Liberty Ridge Farm Refuses To Host Lesbian Couple's Wedding



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/liberty-ridge-farm-new-york-gay-wedding-denial_n_1980435.html

    http://libertyridgefarmny.com/
  • tazzari

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    Oct 19, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    I'm divided. As a public business, they have no right to deny the couple. But as a private person, I do feel awkward about compelling someone to host something they can't approve of, no matter how stupid the disapproval is.

    On the other hand (is this the third hand?), why would the lesbian couple want to have their wedding where they are unwelcome?

    In the end, the law, and equality, must prevail - but I'd sure hate to have to use my ranch to host a wedding for some flat-earth, anti-gay religious whacko pair.
  • Medjai

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    Oct 19, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
    tazzari saidI'm divided. As a public business, they have no right to deny the couple. But as a private person, I do feel awkward about compelling someone to host something they can't approve of, no matter how stupid the disapproval is.

    On the other hand (is this the third hand?), why would the lesbian couple want to have their wedding where they are unwelcome?

    In the end, the law, and equality, must prevail - but I'd sure hate to have to use my ranch to host a wedding for some flat-earth, anti-gay religious whacko pair.


    They do have the right to not host the wedding. They don't have the right to deny access, but they have the right to say no to hosting an event at their own discretion. At least here they do, and the states is rarely different on major points...
  • Nico3687

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    Oct 19, 2012 3:39 PM GMT


    The place sounds like a public accommodation business so they technically do not have the right to discriminate against protected classes of individuals. Unfortunately, homosexuals are only a protected class in certain states and I'm not sure if NY is one of them.

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    Oct 19, 2012 3:55 PM GMT


    This is pretty simple really. If it was the Hilton Hotel and they denied this couple their reception booking because they're gay, isn't that discrimination?

    If this ranch denied the couple based on their height or weight or race, would that be OK? icon_wink.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 19, 2012 4:07 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    This is pretty simple really. If it was the Hilton Hotel and they denied this couple their reception booking because they're gay, isn't that discrimination?

    If this ranch denied the couple based on their height or weight or race, would that be OK? icon_wink.gif


    This

    If you're a business owner you can't turn customers away because of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

    Too many gay men tolerate discrimination.icon_mad.gif
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    Oct 19, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Too many gay men tolerate discrimination.icon_mad.gif


    +1
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    Oct 19, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    adamscott said
    HottJoe said
    Too many gay men tolerate discrimination.icon_mad.gif


    +1
    +2

    ...not to mention they even vote for it (R&R).
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    Oct 19, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
    tazzari saidI'm divided. As a public business, they have no right to deny the couple. But as a private person, I do feel awkward about compelling someone to host something they can't approve of, no matter how stupid the disapproval is.

    On the other hand (is this the third hand?), why would the lesbian couple want to have their wedding where they are unwelcome?

    In the end, the law, and equality, must prevail - but I'd sure hate to have to use my ranch to host a wedding for some flat-earth, anti-gay religious whacko pair.


    Yet society requires some measure of civility among people of differentiating and even among conflicting values. Otherwise you have chaos.

    Even right here on a gay farm, you have gay people who think it is okay to vote for a presidential candidate who would deny us our civil rights. Many of us have religious friends who might be friendly during life but who might think we'll be damned upon death.

    You're not going to abolish all the hatred in the world. But that doesn't mean that hatred always gets to discriminate. Society can require hatred to be discreet.

    Because when people can't put their hatred aside and be polite, what remains of society is madness.
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    Oct 19, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    Hm.

    I agree that venues can't deny business because race, sexuality, sex, religion, etc. Buuuut for any other reason is fair game like too many guests, bad credit, general rudeness of the customers. In otherwords, factors that might impede on the venues ability to be paid. In which case, they could have just lied and said they didn't have dates or some other reason...which shouldn't happen anyway but lets face it, you can't babysit businesses.
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    Oct 19, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    If the law of the state requires no discrimination based on sexual orientation, the Ranch has to host. If the owners don't like hosting LGBTQ folks, the owners should close up shop.
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    Oct 19, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    tazzari saidI'm divided. As a public business, they have no right to deny the couple. But as a private person, I do feel awkward about compelling someone to host something they can't approve of, no matter how stupid the disapproval is.

    On the other hand (is this the third hand?), why would the lesbian couple want to have their wedding where they are unwelcome?

    In the end, the law, and equality, must prevail - but I'd sure hate to have to use my ranch to host a wedding for some flat-earth, anti-gay religious whacko pair.


    I am too now that you put it like that.
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    Oct 19, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    skykey saidWhy would you want to be at place you're not wanted?


    That is SOOO not the point.
  • waccamatt

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    Oct 19, 2012 7:40 PM GMT
    This is not a private country club so it's against the law. Period. I wouldn't want to have my wedding somewhere like that, but they are clearly breaking the public accommodations aspect of anti-discrimination laws.
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:52 AM GMT
    skykey saidWhy would you want to be at place you're not wanted?


    So says the closet case with no pics.

    They are a public business and need to abide by state laws. I hope they get sued and take a huge financial backlash.
  • metta

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    Aug 19, 2014 6:03 PM GMT
    Wedding Venue Must Pay $13,000 For Refusing A Lesbian Couple's Wedding

    The owners of Liberty Ridge Farm in Schaghitcoke, New York, have been ordered to pay $13,000 in fines and restitution to Jennifer and Melisa McCarthy, who were refused an accommodation for their wedding because they are lesbians.

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wedding_venue_must_pay_13_000
  • metta

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    Sep 02, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
    N.Y. farm will no longer host weddings rather than allow same-sex ceremonies

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/09/n-y-farm-will-no-longer-host-weddings-rather-than-allow-same-sex-ceremonies/
  • Cutlass

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    Sep 07, 2014 2:11 AM GMT
    I've agonized over this, and I can see both viewpoints. But this is a place of public accommodation, so New York's anti-discrimination laws should kick in. Some people tell us it's private property, so they should be able to do what they want. But the law tells us differently because they are open to the public.
    Several places such as the bakery in Portland and the florist in Washington state said they could not in good conscience accommodate gays and lesbians because of their religious convictions. Then they should not be in the business if they won't serve everybody. We deserve to be treated as first class citizens and not be discriminated against.
    Catholic Charities left the adoption business because many state laws require them to allow adoptions by gay and lesbian couples, and their religion forbids it. These ranches, inns, bakeries, florists, and any other businesses providing services for weddings should, like Catholic Charities, try some other business if they can't accept state laws barring discrimination.