Re: McCain/Pauli: Could he lose the nomination?

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    Aug 31, 2008 12:16 PM GMT
    I recall that Romney and Ron Paul at least never quit the race officially. There may be another too. Do you think it is possible that this choice for VP would so alienate the Delegates that McCain may lose the nomination? That sure would be something, eh!?
  • Koaa2

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    Aug 31, 2008 12:26 PM GMT
    The VP nomination is such a slap in the face to women, I can't imagine any intelligent Hillary supporter who would vote for her. Pandering at it's best!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 31, 2008 12:39 PM GMT
    It won't happen now. This woman is a member of the right wing establishment and they look to have endorsed the pick. I would hope that their defeat in November will be enough.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 31, 2008 6:12 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIt won't happen now. This woman is a member of the right wing establishment and they look to have endorsed the pick. I would hope that their defeat in November will be enough.




    Not to worry, Hndsm, if your hopes don't come to fruition come November 4th, your Republican RealJock brothers will be here to console you.
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    Aug 31, 2008 6:41 PM GMT
    It was a great pick, McCain already has all of the experience he needs, he made the pick to rally the base and it has done just that! Everyone who knows Palin calls her a Dynamo.

    As for the nomination, he's already won it, the delegates could veto the VP pick just like the Dems could have done to Obama and force Hillary on the ticket, but that's not going to happen on the Republican side.

    Just like the first Black Secretary of State, I think the Republicans will be the first of the major two parties to have the first woman Vice President!! Kudos!
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    Aug 31, 2008 6:43 PM GMT
    Millions of women who are upset with the way Hillary was treated, whether or not they would vote for her, are encouraged to see Governor Palin - a young, articulate, attractive woman who has been selected by a man who could have chosen anyone to be his running mate, but chose a fellow maverick, who does what is right, not what is expedient.

    The trash machines were in the streets within minutes to dump on Governor Palin and declare she was not experienced enough to be Vice President, but they still can't explain why Barack Hussein Obama is experienced enough to be President when his resume totally pales in comparison to hers.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 31, 2008 6:47 PM GMT
    This election will be, without a doubt, one for the record books --- and, damn, you just know it's gonna get UGLY! It's kind of a hoot watching the dems run around scrambling to attack Governor Palin with some of the lamest arguments I have ever heard when you look at the qualifications of their own candidate.
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    Aug 31, 2008 6:53 PM GMT
    You can't compare Palin with Obama - they are not running for the same office. And besides, we have enough threads that clearly detail why she's not capable of running this country. This thread is about McCain/Palin actually getting the nomination come convention time or not. If the Reps are truly smart... they would dump McCain and Palin and nominate Mike Huckabee and Tim Pawlenty.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 31, 2008 7:30 PM GMT
    Ya know, that just may happen --- When Pigs fly!
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    Aug 31, 2008 8:10 PM GMT
    No I don't think that McCain would lose out now, but in relation to other comments ..

    Jockbod48 saidThe trash machines were in the streets within minutes to dump on Governor Palin and declare she was not experienced enough to be Vice President, but they still can't explain why Barack Hussein Obama is experienced enough to be President when his resume totally pales in comparison to hers.

    The media doesn't have to explain the intelligence or experience of Barack Obama because it is out there for those who can read ..

    Just one small bit ..
    from Obamapedia

    See link aboveObama's foreign policy experience includes graduating from Columbia University with a degree in political science with an emphasis on international relations. In the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (i.e., NATO). When comparing Obama's foreign policy experience with other candidates for President you have Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Democrat Hillary Clinton who is a member of the Armed Services Committee and John McCain who is the Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee yet there is no Senator except for Barack Obama who serves on three of the four committees that deal with foreign policy.


    Even if you lopped off Obama's political experience, his educational excellence and 12 years teaching Constitutional Law and practicing as a civil rights attorney is more important to me than being a beauty queen and a mayor. You can laugh at the fact that civil rights (for everyone gays included) and the Constitution are important to Obama and the rest of us, but consider that we have a president that doesn't even know or care when he is breaking the Law/Constitution he is sworn to uphold ..
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/opinion/31bamford.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/
    Its time to move on from this illusion and lie that Obama "has no experience" just as we should have already moved on from this lie that Obama is an unpatriotic Muslim, etc save all that garbage for the National Enquirer.
  • waltex

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    Aug 31, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    I say this to all my gay friends who consider voting for McCain or any Republican.

    A GAY OR LESBIAN WHO VOTES REPUBLICAN IS LIKE A JEWISH PERSON WHO VOTES FOR THE NAZI PARTY IN GERMANY DURING THE 1930'S . . .
  • yoyoboy

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    Aug 31, 2008 10:51 PM GMT
    My Dear Dear Friend Jockbod48

    John McCain did what is expected of an old Bush-loving politician. I find it so very sad that anyone on this site would support his red-neck, conservative, non-progressive politics when this country is in such need of change!!! Tina-Fey Pallin has NO experience, comes from a state that is so removed from what really makes this country run. He wanted someone who would repsond to him in only one way= "yes, Sem McCain"!!!
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    Aug 31, 2008 11:06 PM GMT
    waltex saidI say this to all my gay friends who consider voting for McCain or any Republican.

    A GAY OR LESBIAN WHO VOTES REPUBLICAN IS LIKE A JEWISH PERSON WHO VOTES FOR THE NAZI PARTY IN GERMANY DURING THE 1930'S . . .




    Oh, now Republicans are like Nazi's???? WTF?!? Drama queens everywhere
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    Aug 31, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    At least the grizzly bears, wolves, orcas, and polar bears will support palin....That's who she has represented up in Alaska, right?

    Besides Jeaneau, Fairbanks, and Anchorage, are other Alaskan cities actually populated with people?...hmmmm...just curious







    j/k....I kid I kid!
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    Aug 31, 2008 11:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidOh, now Republicans are like Nazi's???? WTF?!? Drama queens everywhere

    No, that's not what he said... just the "gay" ones. icon_razz.gif
  • HereNBoston

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    Sep 01, 2008 1:21 AM GMT

    I dunno guys.. i'm still not convinced icon_rolleyes.gif

    i mean really....

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    Sep 01, 2008 4:20 AM GMT
    Yeah Jaydub --

    We're now a bunch of Nazi's now -- ask yourself which socialistic regime the Democratic party most likely resembles right about now.

    How pathetic that ALL GAY people must bow down to the bad policies and failed politics of redistribution of wealth, "universal" everything and cradle to grave mentality, no thanks, I'll work hard and pay my own way.

    How weak to define what is right and wrong strictly on your sexuality. How selfish to try to make others believe that it is normal to be so duped...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 01, 2008 4:23 AM GMT
    THANK YOU!!!
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:30 AM GMT
    Yes, standard of living, life expectancy, and infant mortality have just gone to shit since government got sullied by socialism.
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:41 AM GMT
    Yes, standard of living, life expectancy, and infant mortality have just gone to shit since government got sullied by socialism.

    You are so right, 40 million abortions since Roe V. Wade is totally unacceptable...

    The Libs want choice for everything, except:

    School choice
    Gun rights (District of Columbia)
    Creationism taught in schools -- (along side evolution)
    Right to a secret ballot when in a Union
    Personal Health Care
    Personal Retirement/ Failed Social Security Accounts...

    Too many to list...

    Thanks for coming out.
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    yoyoboy said
    Tina-Fey Pallin has NO experience, comes from a state that is so removed from what really makes this country run.


    "NO experience"? Really? She's the Governor of a state for starters.

    "A state that is so removed from what makes this country run"? Really? You obviously haven't a clue about what your talking about.

    Educate yourself before spouting such nonsense.
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    and not a single abortion happened before Roe V Wade too!
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:50 AM GMT
    Did you actually stop to think about what I said, dude its 40 million little babies being killed in the past 30 years, if it were anywhere else it would be called a Genocide.

    Sorry, I guess I got off topic...

    I think Palin will ADD to the ticket in way Dems can't really fathom.
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Gettingharder saidYeah Jaydub --

    We're now a bunch of Nazi's now -- ask yourself which socialistic regime the Democratic party most likely resembles right about now.

    How pathetic that ALL GAY people must bow down to the bad policies and failed politics of redistribution of wealth, "universal" everything and cradle to grave mentality, no thanks, I'll work hard and pay my own way.

    How weak to define what is right and wrong strictly on your sexuality. How selfish to try to make others believe that it is normal to be so duped...


    I consider myself to be moderate Libertarian/Independent. Even though I'm obviously gay, I'm not enthralled with the idea of socializing American society. For the most part, I think that government should stay the hell out of my wallet AND my bedroom.

    That said, the Republican party has been hijacked by social and religious conservatives who don't care so much about fiscal responsibility and free-market capitalism as they do about imposing their brand of morality upon the masses. I mean, what the hell. It's all "free market" until they come begging the fed to bail out Fannie and Freddie due to lax oversight and bad policy. This, the most conservative administration of our generation, has been on the most massive spending spree in history. They've turned a sizable budget surplus into a massive deficit, and yet our infrastructure crumbles all around us. Furthermore, the Republicans have been on a massive power grab these last 14 years, or so, and they're not even really trying to hide the corruption, any more. FISA, The Patriot Act, the Dept. of "Homeland" Security...They have established a nanny state that monitors virtually our every move. This government is just steps away from fascism, and don't think for a minute that social conservatives wouldn't do everything in their power to drive us all back into the closet. Do you honestly believe that McCain/Pallin would be any different? Even if McCain is using (deliberate word choice) Pallin to pander to the religious right, and then goes off in his own maverick direction after (theoretically) winning the election, doesn't that just confirm that he is, in fact, just another power-hungry politician who's pandering to a swing demographic just to get elected? Dammit, the guy just wants to be president before he passes on (and what if that's sooner rather than later?), and he's pulling all of the inside-the-beltway tricks to get there.

    So, although I don't consider traditional gay-rights issues to be a litmus test, there is no way in hell that I'm voting Republican this electoral season. And by the way, I used to really like John McCain, but this Pallin nomination is just insulting on so many levels. Maverick McCain takes his cues from Madison Avenue and Wall Street, not Main Street.
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    Sep 01, 2008 4:56 AM GMT
    Yup, I thought about what you said, and it is a false choice. Overturning abortion rights wont stop them from happening. It isn't like men didn't have sex with each other before the Supreme Court overturned sodomy laws.

    But I agree, she does add something to the ticket.