Why are we here?

  • TheBizMan

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    Oct 19, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    My favorite line is " Nature evolved to a point where it became self aware and began to ponder it's own meaning."

    I seriously should have become a physicist, it interests me sooo much! If only I were better at math...

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    Oct 19, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    Why are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics. Which still doesn't answer the question of being. Lots of theories answer others questions about the universe, but the existence of being is never answered.
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    Oct 19, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.
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    Oct 19, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.


    Matter and anti-matter.

    A quantum is not subject to any notion of space or time and can occupy all of its quantum states simultaneously.

    Then we must look deeper into various multiple universe theories to understand our existence.
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    Oct 19, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    You're here for my amusement icon_twisted.gif
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    Oct 19, 2012 11:31 PM GMT
    beneful1 saidYou're here for my amusement icon_twisted.gif


    But only in this dimension.
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    Oct 20, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.


    Not quite. Quantum mechanics/physics deals with things on the atomic/subatomic scale, i.e. small in size and mass. Classical physics deals with the macro scale. Since humans are of large mass, compared to say electrons, we as bodies obey classical physics which has taught us that one object cannot occupy more than one space simultaneously, also that two objects cannot occupy the same space simultaneously.
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    Oct 20, 2012 2:04 AM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.


    Matter and anti-matter.

    A quantum is not subject to any notion of space or time and can occupy all of its quantum states simultaneously.

    Then we must look deeper into various multiple universe theories to understand our existence.


    A quantum is not actually in and of itself a physical entity, rather it is a measurement of a physical entity. Specifically it is the smallest amount of a single entity that can be involved in any interaction. As such a quantum has no significance other than as a dimensional unit. For instance, a liter is a dimension of volume which has no physical properties itself, but the substance being measured would.
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    Oct 20, 2012 3:31 AM GMT
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    beneful1 saidYou're here for my amusement icon_twisted.gif


    But only in this dimension.


    Which is all I programmed you for
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    Oct 20, 2012 3:43 AM GMT
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    Oct 20, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    paulflexes said
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.


    Matter and anti-matter.

    A quantum is not subject to any notion of space or time and can occupy all of its quantum states simultaneously.

    Then we must look deeper into various multiple universe theories to understand our existence.
    I was going to make a very intelligent reply to this, but decided that I already did that in another universe at another time so it's totally irrelevant now.
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:54 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics. Which still doesn't answer the question of being. Lots of theories answer others questions about the universe, but the existence of being is never answered.


    Maybe I'm in both places?
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    This is my Bible. I can't tell you how many times I've read it. It's pretty much always with me.


    Best book EVER.
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    Oct 20, 2012 11:36 AM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.


    Not quite. Quantum mechanics/physics deals with things on the atomic/subatomic scale, i.e. small in size and mass.
    Well they need to lift heavy and eat more.
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    Oct 20, 2012 12:14 PM GMT
    You havn't seen Prometheus?
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    Oct 20, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
    Kristoff saidYou havn't seen Prometheus?


    I saw that movie and at the end I was like, "What the fuck did I just watch?"

    Understand that I completely understood what was going on in the movie.
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    Oct 20, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    Hawk_Guy13 said
    TheBizMan said
    paulflexes said
    ART_DECO saidWhy are we here?

    Because we aren't there.

    And no, not entirely a smartass quip. But rather an issue in quantum mechanics.
    But in quantum mechanics, we're both here and there.


    Matter and anti-matter.

    A quantum is not subject to any notion of space or time and can occupy all of its quantum states simultaneously.

    Then we must look deeper into various multiple universe theories to understand our existence.


    A quantum is not actually in and of itself a physical entity, rather it is a measurement of a physical entity. Specifically it is the smallest amount of a single entity that can be involved in any interaction. As such a quantum has no significance other than as a dimensional unit. For instance, a liter is a dimension of volume which has no physical properties itself, but the substance being measured would.


    I've heard people use quantum to refer to Quarks Leptons and Gauge Bosons. Which is what I'm referring to.
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    Oct 20, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    TheBizMan saidMy favorite line is " Nature evolved to a point where it became self aware and began to ponder it's own meaning."


    That's not only the product of a linear mode of thinking but a bit of an egotistical one as well, lovely to ponder but perhaps not quite accurate, because the presumption is that there was some beginning to evolution (not to deny evolution in practical terms within conveniently specified time frames as it is so difficult to wrap our brains around infinity) and that self awareness only begins at a certain point such that what is perceived as self awareness is not simply the perception of an expression of self awareness but of self awareness itself and the implication of course being that the self aware, or at least that which or those who express it are somehow further evolved than those not apparent to some other observer as expressing it.

    I question whether the self aware would evolve to be self aware enough to not make that presumption.
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    Oct 20, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    We're limited by and from our self-awareness. Our senses and consciousness only register things that relate immediately to us. So we're here because we're here, but we're missing a universe worth of other experiences and events that are here, too.
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    Oct 20, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
    how about this theory about our existence...

    we are all of one consciousness...all of earth's life forms share one common consciousness which was spawned out of evolutions natural process of laws of attraction. Our earlier ancestors simple wished to exist or desired to evolved hence the universe provided us with the energy to do so. This is why all of Earth's inhabitants, plant form to humanoid are all energy based organism...thats just my theory....the energy part can be proven but sadly i was not around during the great big bang so i can't vouch for the laws of attraction part. But we are here because we wish to be and when we die we never leave due in part to residual energy..this is why people claim to see ghost etc.
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    Oct 20, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    Our bodies are made up of living organisms. We are living organisms that make up the body of the Earth--if we were a billion times larger, our solar system would be an infinitely small atom, and the Milky Way galaxy would be a single cell. If we were a billion times smaller, we might live on a planet that orbits an electron.

    The point is, everything is related and proportionate in varied scales--so in that sense, we're here for the same reasons that atoms and black holes are, but we are only really aware of and value ourselves, just as those things, which we can't perceive to be antonymous organisms, aren't aware of or value us. We're too big and too small to matter, and vice versa. But none of it can exist without all of it. And we'll never know 'why' because that's just not an answerable question...what we should be investigating is how.
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    tereseus1 saidhow about this theory about our existence...

    we are all of one consciousness...all of earth's life forms share one common consciousness which was spawned out of evolutions natural process of laws of attraction. Our earlier ancestors simple wished to exist or desired to evolved hence the universe provided us with the energy to do so. This is why all of Earth's inhabitants, plant form to humanoid are all energy based organism...thats just my theory....the energy part can be proven but sadly i was not around during the great big bang so i can't vouch for the laws of attraction part. But we are here because we wish to be and when we die we never leave due in part to residual energy..this is why people claim to see ghost etc.

    Wow.
    No.


    no to which part as its a theorized thesis statement..some parts are logically, other parts questionable as you just don't know...cant say no to all of it lol.
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    Oct 20, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    I love this argument

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    The point is, everything is related and proportionate in varied scales--so in that sense, we're here for the same reasons that atoms and black holes are, but we are only really aware of and value ourselves, just as those things, which we can't perceive to be antonymous organisms, aren't aware of or value us. We're too big and too small to matter, and vice versa. But none of it can exist without all of it. And we'll never know 'why' because that's just not an answerable question...what we should be investigating is how.[/quote]

    remember that scene from the ending of men in black. We are unaware of the size of our existence. We simple dont know based on the facts of our own existential makeup. For all we know we could be living in a solar system within a universe found on the cell of a giant lifeform..(too out there?) well you never know lol.
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