Ann Romney : Mormon missions are just like military service!

  • MusclFurPeX

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    Oct 20, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    Thursday morning, Mitt ducked a scheduled performance on The View (more on that later), leaving his wife Ann Romney to represent the candidate’s views on those pesky “women’s issues” like abortion rights and military service.

    Her answer on the latter question is turning some heads.

    When pressed by Whoopi Goldberg on how Romney would explain why neither he nor any of his five sons served, Ann explained that the six men found “different ways of serving” by going on their Mormon religious missions.

    “So, you know, we find different ways of serving,” she said. “And my husband and my five boys did serve missions, [but they] did not serve in the military.”

    The substitution, she went on to explain, makes sense because the two share essential, character-building and altruistic values.

    “I sent them away boys and they came back men. And what the difference was — and I think this where military service is so extraordinary too — is where you literally do something where you’re helping someone else. You’re going outside of yourself and you’re working and helping others. And that changes you,” she said.

    The exchange began when Goldberg mistakenly asserted that Mitt Romney hadn’t served in Vietnam because it was against his religion. Goldberg’s statement was, to be fair, a clear misinterpretation of Mormonism (which is not at all a CST version of Quakerism), and Anne Romney quickly corrected her.

    “That’s not correct,” she said pointedly. “He was serving his mission, and my five sons have also served missions.”

    To set the record straight, Mormon missions are voluntary, non-violent trips focused on proselytizing about the Church of Latter Day Saints. Men begin their mission — which lasts for two years — at 18 or 19 years old. This month, the Church decided to allow women to begin their mission — which lasts for 6 to 18 months — as early as 19, down from the previous age of 21. The missionary practice is credited as one of the main reasons that the LDS Church is one of the fastest growing religions in the United States and in Central and South America. If Mormonism shares anything with U.S. military, then, it may be that both facilitate the exportation of Western cultural values across the globe.

    Some veterans, however, are not so happy to hear the prospective First Lady equate a voluntary religious mission aimed at growing your religion with the sacrifice of serving in the U.S. military in the name of protecting American national security.

    “Between my husband and I, we have a collective 10 years in the army. My husband was in Iraq in 2004, and I went to the Pentagon after 9-11. I am deeply offended by Ann’s comments. How can she believe her son’s missions could even begin to compare to our service? Not to mention those we served with who came home in body bags …” wrote on commenter on a discussion forum for those who have left the Mormon Church.

    Meanwhile, as Ann was on The View, Mitt Romney made a surprise appearance at the meeting of a Colorado Political Action Committee — also known as a campaign funding PAC.

    The group, the American Conservative Union, boasts of being one of the oldest conservative organizations in the country. It champions a mission statement that asserts “collectivism and capitalism are incompatible” … “our inherent rights are endowed by the Creator … [which] can remain secure only if government is so limited that it cannot infringe upon those rights” … and “the forces of international Communism are, at present, the greatest single threat to these liberties.” (Either the statement of principles hasn’t been updated, or next week’s foreign policy debate is going to be considerably more exciting than anticipated.)

    Romney’s appearance on The View had been widely anticipated since he admitted at a private fundraiser that he was nervous about sitting down with the “non-conservative” and “sharp-tongued” women. This comment, along with the now infamous 47 percent comment, was recorded in a secret video leaked by Mother Jones.

    Too bad Romney ended up having “scheduling problems” Thursday morning.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 20, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    OP: If you're going to copy and paste from a liberal biased website, at least provide a link or acknowledge it. We wouldn't want anyone here to think these are actually YOUR words.

    Secondly, did you actually watch Ann Romney on "The View"? If you didn't, you should. She was gracious, charming, eloquent, and the epitome of class. Even when she put Whoopi in her place with her "people serve in different ways" comment, she did it graciously and respectfully. She'll make a fine First Lady should Romney win the election.
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    Oct 20, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidOP: If you're going to copy and paste from a liberal biased website, at least provide a link or acknowledge it. We wouldn't want anyone here to think these are actually YOUR words.

    Secondly, did you actually watch Ann Romney on "The View"? If you didn't, you should. She was gracious, charming, eloquent, and the epitome of class. Even when she put Whoopi in her place with her "people serve in different ways" comment, she did it graciously and respectfully. She'll make a fine First Lady should Romney win the election.

    And what military or Mormon "service" did you perform for your country?

    And don't throw something back at me about Obama, because I'm not happy he never wore a military uniform, either. In fact, I'd like to see a Constitutional Amendment requiring that any President, the Commander in Chief, must have served in the military. Especially now that more women can also serve in the US military.

    But in the case of Romney, the suggestion that Mormon missionary work is the same as military service is grossly offensive to anyone who has ever worn a US military uniform. Really? REALLY?

    If you want to defend that position by all means do. I think you're gonna find a lot of MILITARY veterans who take exception to Ann's equivalence of them to Mormon missionaries. Just another example of how you, and other delusional Romney supporters, are totally disconnected from reality, and disrespectful to our active military and veterans.
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    Oct 20, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    And what military or Mormon "service" did you perform for your country?



    Hmmmmm....ummmm....well....I served as a parking lot attendant once. It was my job to protect innocent unsuspecting Lesbians from crazed gays on RedVespas trying to bully their way into handicapped parking spaces. You may laugh, but trust me they can be "REALLY MEAN ABOUT IT"! icon_eek.gif
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    Good lord, the two are not comparable. One is selling your religion under the auspices of helping the downtrodden, the other is putting your life on the line for your country.


    Oh my god....icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 20, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
    A little touchy? They did something else instead, many people do. Like go to college, or straight to work. I agree that nothing compares to military service, and it's a long story, but I'm mostly glad I didn't serve. It's not for everyone. Straight to work I went.

    And I wouldn't go anywhere near those YENTAS, ever!! I'd rather be drafted into the foreign legion!
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidOP: If you're going to copy and paste from a liberal biased website, at least provide a link or acknowledge it. We wouldn't want anyone here to think these are actually YOUR words.

    Secondly, did you actually watch Ann Romney on "The View"? If you didn't, you should. She was gracious, charming, eloquent, and the epitome of class. Even when she put Whoopi in her place with her "people serve in different ways" comment, she did it graciously and respectfully. She'll make a fine First Lady should Romney win the election.


    saw her and she lied..as usual just like her husband!
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:08 PM GMT
    MusclFurPeX said
    saw her and she lied..as usual just like her husband!


    What did she lie about?
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ART_DECO said
    And what military or Mormon "service" did you perform for your country?

    Hmmmmm....ummmm....well....I served as a parking lot attendant once. It was my job to protect innocent unsuspecting Lesbians from crazed gays on RedVespas trying to bully their way into handicapped parking spaces. You may laugh, but trust me they can be "REALLY MEAN ABOUT IT"! icon_eek.gif

    Thanks. So in other words, you are a cowardly wimp, equating those of us who have actually served in uniform with being parking lot attendants, and how being a Mormon missionary is the same thing as our military service. Gotcha.
  • rioriz

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    Oct 20, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    just petty stuff we're grasping at now
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 20, 2012 9:26 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ART_DECO said
    And what military or Mormon "service" did you perform for your country?

    Hmmmmm....ummmm....well....I served as a parking lot attendant once. It was my job to protect innocent unsuspecting Lesbians from crazed gays on RedVespas trying to bully their way into handicapped parking spaces. You may laugh, but trust me they can be "REALLY MEAN ABOUT IT"! icon_eek.gif

    Thanks. So in other words, you are a cowardly wimp, humiliating those of us who have actually served in uniform, about how being a Mormon missionary is the same thing as our military service. Gotcha.



    I have never dissed anyone in the military in my entire life (please note, Bubbles, I don't see you as "someone in the military", only as someone who served and who is not letting anyone forget it), mostly because every man in the generations before me in my family -- dad, uncles, grandfathers -- all served long military careers, fought in wars, the whole bit. I grew up on Air Force bases most of my childhood, and I have a great respect for the act of service. Interestingly, of all the military men I have ever come in contact with, and I have known many, none have had this "I served so I am better than you" sort of mentality that you seem to trot out at every chance. Very unbecoming of a former officer if you ask me.

    As for Mormon missionaries being the same as our military service, Ann Romney made no such comparison. All she said was that "people serve in different ways", and this is absolutely the truth.
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:34 PM GMT


    "All she said was that "people serve in different ways", and this is absolutely the truth"

    No. The two are not 'serving in different ways'.

    ...and topathlete, we're hardly far left. Nice try though.

    I volunteer in Palliative Care, among other things and I would never make any kind of comparison as 'serving in different ways' to the military. My life is not in that kind of danger doing what I do.

    Good grief. icon_lol.gif

    I was a boy scout, so I guess I'll say it built my character like being on the front lines in a war zone.
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    I was a boy scout, so I guess I'll say it built my character like being on the front lines in a war zone.


    It should be noted that not all military personnel are "on the front lines in a war zone". Regardless, she in no way compared missionary work to military service. She simply made the point that people choose to serve in different ways -- and this IS the truth.
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    "“So, you know, we find different ways of serving,” she said. “And my husband and my five boys did serve missions, [but they] did not serve in the military.”


    That's a comparison.

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    Oct 20, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    I was a boy scout, so I guess I'll say it built my character like being on the front lines in a war zone.


    It should be noted that not all military personnel are "on the front lines in a war zone". Regardless, she in no way compared missionary work to military service. She simply made the point that people choose to serve in different ways -- and this IS the truth.


    Serve what, exactly?
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    Oct 20, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    I was a boy scout, so I guess I'll say it built my character like being on the front lines in a war zone.

    It should be noted that not all military personnel are "on the front lines in a war zone". Regardless, she in no way compared missionary work to military service. She simply made the point that people choose to serve in different ways -- and this IS the truth.

    Sorry, but she did imply it. That was the message she was trying to deliver.

    Nice that your family history includes some military service. My own includes 17 generations of unbroken military service, from the earliest American colonial times in the 1600s to my son today.

    Oddly I never knew that until a few years ago, after I had retired from the Army, when I started to explore my family history. My parents never stressed the military side to me, it was just something we did as our duty in time of need (even my Mother wore a uniform in WWII). I suppose it's in the genes.

    I am the first and so far the only one to have ever made a career of it, which actually shamed my parents. You served your country when needed, then returned to civilian life. A military career had a tinge of blue collar about it my family disdained. It wasn't until I became a Major that my late Father begrudgingly said he was proud of me. My parents were a tough audience! LOL!
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    Oct 20, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
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    Nice that your family history includes some military service. My own includes 17 generations of unbroken military service, from the earliest American colonial times in the 1600s to my son today.



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    Nice that your family history includes some military service. My own includes 17 generations of unbroken military service, from the earliest American colonial times in the 1600s to my son today.

    Are you sure your last name isn't Churchill? icon_wink.gif

    No, it was VanWinkle, on the Dutch side of the family, from c.1650 in New Amsterdam, before it became New York City. That name changed 2 generations ago due to marriage on the distaff side. That's when the Irish joined my family, and next the Czech.
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    Oct 20, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    God I hate the View. I hate how all those bitches think that they're are God's gift to the world. I don't like Joy Behar's slick comments. I don't like Whoopi's over-talking with her guests, I don't like the snoody Barbara Walters, I don't like wishy-washy Sherri Sheppard, I can manage Elisabeth's antics, not often though.

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  • musclmed

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    Oct 20, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    This is what is happening.

    People are seeing the writing on the wall and gnashing at teeth. I guess it is "open season", the gloves are off.

    Bust up on Anne Romney. Lest we forget Michelle Obama was always ashamed of her country.

    " And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. "


    So we are not talking about Obama's plan for the future. Or his record.


    no we will talk about what Romeny's wife said to a few dingbats on the view.

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    Oct 20, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    yourhighness2000 saidshe's certainly no Michelle (or Hillary, or even Laura).


    Well, of course not. She's not a First Lady...yet icon_wink.gif


    musclmed said

    People are seeing the writing on the wall and gnashing at teeth. I guess it is "open season", the gloves are off.


    EXACTLY! The sinking feeling brings the claws out. It's not pretty.Unfortunately, it's going to get worse before it gets better

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    Oct 21, 2012 4:00 AM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Good lord, the two are not comparable. One is selling your religion under the auspices of helping the downtrodden, the other is putting your life on the line for your country.


    Oh my god....icon_lol.gif

    What a disgustingly offensive comparison --it totally belittles the sacrifice military men and women make serving their country. How can this idiot be "commander in chief" when he has that kind of contempt for the people in the military? What's next? --is standing on a corner with a bell whoring for donations for the Sally Ann the same thing as being a Navy SEAL in their eyes?

    I beginning to think Mitt picked this cow out of one of his "binders full of women", when he was mail-order bride shopping. icon_rolleyes.gif Between the "you people don't deserve to see our tax returns", "running for president is hard...you people need to shut up", this comment and every other time she's stuck her entitled foot in her mouth, she's shown what a b-i-t-c-h c-u-n-t she is....she's certainly no Michelle (or Hillary, or even Laura). You can't buy class. [smh]


    Fixed.
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    Oct 21, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    yourhighness2000 said
    meninlove said

    Good lord, the two are not comparable. One is selling your religion under the auspices of helping the downtrodden, the other is putting your life on the line for your country.


    Oh my god....icon_lol.gif

    What a disgustingly offensive comparison --it totally belittles the sacrifice military men and women make serving their country. How can this idiot be "commander in chief" when he has that kind of contempt for the people in the military? What's next? --is standing on a corner with a bell whoring for donations for the Sally Ann the same thing as being a Navy SEAL in their eyes?

    I beginning to think Mitt picked this cow out of one of his "binders full of women", when he was mail-order bride shopping. icon_rolleyes.gif Between the "you people don't deserve to see our tax returns", "running for president is hard...you people need to shut up", this comment and every other time she's stuck her entitled foot in her mouth, she's shown what a b-i-t-c-h c-u-n-t she is....she's certainly no Michelle (or Hillary, or even Laura). You can't buy class. [smh]


    Fixed.


    It is always amusing to see when it is time to elect a democrat the "required military service goes out the window" Now it seems back in fashion. OH, wait Obama had 0 military experience. He barely any time in the US Senate.

    Clinton avoided Vietnam , a matter that seems to escape some. Now it seems to be coming back..... I wonder why?


    I can except any liberal who tells me they hate Ann and Mitt Romney. I get that.

    There is no need to make up silly and illogical reasons to hate them. Just Hate them! You do not need a reason or an excuse.

    this reason is just foolish.
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    Oct 21, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    If you've ever served on a PTA committee, or served punch at a mixer, or were groomsmen at a wedding, you could say you've learned character-building lessons and that would all be comparable too.
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    Oct 21, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    Classlessrican saidshe's shown what a b-i-t-c-h c-u-n-t she is....she's certainly no Michelle (or Hillary, or even Laura). You can't buy class. [smh]


    Fixed.


    You have zero class whatsoever to use the "c" word in the same sentence as the next First Lady. Shame on you. icon_eek.gif