Romney: Hospital Visitation For Gay Couples Are ‘Benefits’ Not Rights

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    Oct 22, 2012 2:28 AM GMT
    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/romney-hospital-visitation-for-gay-couples-are-benefits-not-rights/politics/2012/10/20/51681

    Mitt Romney wants you to know that allowing same-sex couples to visit each other in the hospital is a benefit — not a civil right — and he will let states take away that “benefit” if they want to. Two years ago, President Obama mandated that all hospitals treat same-sex couples with the same rights as married heterosexual couples, including visitation rights. (That’s also included, separately, in Obamacare.)

    Also on the table, filed under “states rights” and not civil rights, is adoption of children by same-sex couples, and, presumably, single gay people.

    “Governor Romney supports a federal marriage amendment to the Constitution that defines marriage as an institution between a man and a woman,” Romney advisor Bay Buchanan told Buzzfeed today. “Governor Romney also believes, consistent with the 10th Amendment, that it should be left to states to decide whether to grant same-sex couples certain benefits, such as hospital visitation rights and the ability to adopt children. I referred to the Tenth Amendment only when speaking about these kinds of benefits – not marriage.”

    READ: ‘I Didn’t Know You Had Families’ Mitt Romney Told Group Of Gay Parents

    While this should not be a surprise to anyone, since Romney signed the National Organization For Marriage‘s pledge in January, and told Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition that he would “propose and promote” a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage in the U.S.

    Why toss this out into the media now? Two reasons. First, red meat for the base. President Obama is the first sitting president to state he supports same-sex marriage, and has done more for the LGBT community than all U.S. presidents combined.


    Second, as Buzzfeed’s Chris Geidner notes:

    In a little-noted comment in the spin room following this past week’s presidential debate in New York, Romney campaign senior adviser Bay Buchanan, the sister of former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, told The Advocate‘s Julie Bolcer, “He very much supports traditional marriage, but he’s also a very strong advocate for the Tenth Amendment. It’s a state issue.”

    The report also stated that when asked about how Romney’s opposition to same-sex couples’ marriage rights, including his support for the Defense of Marriage Act, would help same-sex parents, “Buchanan responded that Romney would not get in the way of what states decide to do on marriage and adoption.”



    And what does the NOM pledge require? USA Today summed it up well:

    Sending a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman to the states for ratification.
    Defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which includes the traditional definition of marriage and bans states from recognizing gay marriage, in court.
    Appointing federal judges and an attorney general who are opposed to a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.
    Appointing a commission to investigate claims of harassment against those people who support marriage as being only between a man and a woman.
    Supporting legislation that would give people living in the District of Columbia the right to vote on marriage.
    Mitt Romney’s website proudly states:

    Like any family, the Romneys have faced hardship: Ann was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1998, and more recently fought a battle with breast cancer. She credits her husband’s unwavering care and devotion to her for helping her through these ordeals.

    So, while Mitt and Ann recognize how important it is to face health crises together, he would actually allow states to prohibit same-sex couples from having the same hospital visitation rights that he and Ann have. We’re not allowed to exercise “unwavering care and devotion” like the Romneys.

    It also adds:

    The values that Mitt Romney learned in his home have enriched his life immeasurably. With his parents’ example before him, he married, had five sons, and now basks in the joy of eighteen grandchildren.

    Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

    Mitt wants states to take away these civil right from same-sex couples. Actually, Mitt, like on every other issue, really just doesn’t care, about them, or about you.
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    Oct 22, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
    It's not like any of the other GOP candidates would have been any better on this issue, save Huntsman or Paul...
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    Oct 22, 2012 3:55 AM GMT
    Not even Bush was this bad.
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    Oct 22, 2012 4:28 AM GMT
    I have this horrible urge to punch him whenever I see him on tv.
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    Oct 22, 2012 4:30 AM GMT
    But...freedom...invisible hand...traditional definition...think of the children...

    Surely there must be a supply-side reasoning behind this.
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    Oct 22, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    Wow, thanks for making this forum your basement, and this topic, the bare bulb you write angry letters to the government under.
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    Oct 22, 2012 4:54 AM GMT
    viitz saidHe's a sociopath. I don't understand how anyone with an ounce of humanity and half a brain would consider voting for him.

    ‘I Didn’t Know You Had Families’ Mitt Romney Told Group Of Gay Parents


    Julie Goodridge“I looked him in the eye as we were leaving,” recalls Goodridge. “And I said, ‘Governor Romney, tell me — what would you suggest I say to my 8 year-old daughter about why her mommy and her ma can’t get married because you, the governor of her state, are going to block our marriage?’”

    His response, according to Goodridge: “I don’t really care what you tell your adopted daughter. Why don’t you just tell her the same thing you’ve been telling her the last eight years.”

    Romney’s retort enraged a speechless Goodridge; he didn’t care, and by referring to her biological daughter as “adopted,” it was clear he hadn’t even been listening. By the time she was back in the hallway, she was reduced to tears.

    “I really kind of lost it,” says Goodridge. “I’ve never stood before someone who had no capacity for empathy. It went behind flat affect. It was a complete lack of ability or motivation to understand other people.”


    Wow, just wow. He is a heartless piece of shit. He shows his bad character over and over and over again.Push gay rights and marriage aside: if you listen to his debates, how he addresses the public, the language used and how his opinions are articulated, all I see is red flags.

    He'll tell you that he understands, but fails to connect with the people. He says he knows what needs to be done, but fails to explain how he'll go about it. And list of half-assed answers & lies goes on and on.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 22, 2012 5:10 AM GMT
    the OP as usual distorts just about everything , and posting a artlicle devoid of real quotes.

    It is a warped view of the actual scenario. During his tenure in Massachusetts none of what is feared came to pass.

  • DR2K

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    Oct 22, 2012 5:13 AM GMT
    Putting the proud in GOProud. Fucking idiots. icon_lol.gif
  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 22, 2012 5:14 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidThe unnecessary cruelty of that policy cannot be understated. I remember when we didn't have that right in Canada, and some of my saddest moments were watching the devastating heartache of guys being kept away from their respective partners of several years because an estranged parent was given that power. Pain. Emptiness. Zoo animals are treated better.


    CRUEL is the exact right word to describe Romney.
    This goes far beyond policy disagreements and shows Romney for what he is: full of hate for gay Americans.
    If you are gay, Romney wants you to die alone. He does not want your partner to have access to comfort you in your final moments in this life. That is what hospital visitation is all about.

    There is no benefit to society to single out gay people for this kind of persecution. This is not about lower taxes or smaller government or any of the other things Romney pushes all the time. No, this is much simpler -- it's that Romney simply wants to hurt gay people in the deepest, most cruel way humanly possible.
    If you are gay, Romney hates you so much that he wants your last moments to be alone and miserable.
    This may be the single cruelest political position I've witnessed in my lifetime.



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    Oct 22, 2012 5:18 AM GMT
    007ALPHA saidAlso, the fag who posted this article is WRONG!!! Romney states he feels STATES SHOULD DICTATE GAY RIGHTS OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE!!

    It should come as no shocker that a fag would confuse this.icon_lol.gif


    This is the kind of homophobic mind that supports Romney.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 22, 2012 5:19 AM GMT
    Romney is a truly selfish human being, who has pledged to amend the Constitution to deny freedom and equality to same-gender couples, making gays permanent second-class citizens.

    Romney's anti-freedom agenda has no business in the White House. What an awful homophobe he is.
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    Oct 22, 2012 5:23 AM GMT
    007ALPHA saidFirst of all, Obama does *****NOT***** support gay marriage on a federal level. He all of a sudden (election year) *****PERSONALLY**** supports gay marriage. BIG DIFFERENCE here you little divisive minds! Obama supports the status quo and the status quo does NOT allow gays to get married. Period.

    Second, until gay marriage is passed, hospital visitation is EXACTLY, techincally speaking, a BENEFIT. This is not a hard concept to understand. I would suggest to think objectively instead of by emotions.

    Third, per Gallup, Romney is up by 6%. The Obama fraud jig is up! I fully welcome a very accomplished, bi partisan and tough business minded Romney to be our next president and my vote, along with DOZENS of past Obama voters, will go to Governor Romney.

    -Obama has NO plan moving forward. All he offers is Big Bird, 99% vs 1%, class warfare (not backed by economic fact:see Buffet rule and Bush tax cuts), IGNORING SECURITY REQUESTS FOR OUR EX *****GAY***** DEAD AMBASSADOR STEVENS, and more big govt.

    Failures:
    -Obamacare
    -Stimulus
    -Cash for Clunkers
    -RE Tax Credit
    -Dodd/Frank
    -Trade deals
    -Invasion of Libya, Muslim Brotherhood relevance in Egypt and other middle eastern countries.

    Obama, per FACTS and REALITY, when you look at our trade deficit, new startups, foreign investment into America, tax revenues, overall FEDERAL BUDGET (trillion plus annual deficits), Education,etc is a failure.

    Out of the 34 industrialized nations who keep track of education rankings, America spends the ***SECOND**** highest per pupil---around 11k---- yet ranks in the bottom 25th percentile in Math and Science. Reading is doing well and in the top 25th percentile. SCHOOL CHOICE IS THE WAY TO GO!!!!!

    ****WE MUST FOCUS ON THE OUTPUT (RESULTS) OF GOVT PROGRAMS AND NOT THE INPUT (MONEY SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS**** In other words you little minded divisive and self indulgent gays, just b/c you "cut" funding doesnt mean you hate kids! Often times a cut will IMPROVE services by having folks improve productivity, cutting waste or reorganizing programs. When you CUT this means you SAVE money which means IT GOES BACK TO THE TAXPAYER OR IMPROVES ANOTHER FEDERAL PROGRAM!!!!

    Try, just try your best to think for the ENTIRE NATION!!! Gays only comprise of 3-4% of the population. Frankly, i am not so selfish to put a few gays in front of national interest. The president has over 330 million americans to be concerned with......not just your bareback, Lady Gaga, cat loving and self indulgent/emotional decision making lives!


    I ACTUALLY agree with most (but not all) of your points.
    The funny thing is that Romney is essentially the SAME, except maybe he'll "kill" Big Bird, and will increase military spending (MORE WAR), which will include an immediate attack on Iran.
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    Oct 22, 2012 5:28 AM GMT
    Can this asshole please get cancer already? Too bad some of his wife's MS can't rub off on him so they can both wither into atrophied heaps of flesh.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 22, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    Shahzadeh said
    007ALPHA saidFirst of all, Obama does *****NOT***** support gay marriage on a federal level. He all of a sudden (election year) *****PERSONALLY**** supports gay marriage. BIG DIFFERENCE here you little divisive minds! Obama supports the status quo and the status quo does NOT allow gays to get married. Period.

    Second, until gay marriage is passed, hospital visitation is EXACTLY, techincally speaking, a BENEFIT. This is not a hard concept to understand. I would suggest to think objectively instead of by emotions.

    Third, per Gallup, Romney is up by 6%. The Obama fraud jig is up! I fully welcome a very accomplished, bi partisan and tough business minded Romney to be our next president and my vote, along with DOZENS of past Obama voters, will go to Governor Romney.

    -Obama has NO plan moving forward. All he offers is Big Bird, 99% vs 1%, class warfare (not backed by economic fact:see Buffet rule and Bush tax cuts), IGNORING SECURITY REQUESTS FOR OUR EX *****GAY***** DEAD AMBASSADOR STEVENS, and more big govt.

    Failures:
    -Obamacare
    -Stimulus
    -Cash for Clunkers
    -RE Tax Credit
    -Dodd/Frank
    -Trade deals
    -Invasion of Libya, Muslim Brotherhood relevance in Egypt and other middle eastern countries.

    Obama, per FACTS and REALITY, when you look at our trade deficit, new startups, foreign investment into America, tax revenues, overall FEDERAL BUDGET (trillion plus annual deficits), Education,etc is a failure.

    Out of the 34 industrialized nations who keep track of education rankings, America spends the ***SECOND**** highest per pupil---around 11k---- yet ranks in the bottom 25th percentile in Math and Science. Reading is doing well and in the top 25th percentile. SCHOOL CHOICE IS THE WAY TO GO!!!!!

    ****WE MUST FOCUS ON THE OUTPUT (RESULTS) OF GOVT PROGRAMS AND NOT THE INPUT (MONEY SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS**** In other words you little minded divisive and self indulgent gays, just b/c you "cut" funding doesnt mean you hate kids! Often times a cut will IMPROVE services by having folks improve productivity, cutting waste or reorganizing programs. When you CUT this means you SAVE money which means IT GOES BACK TO THE TAXPAYER OR IMPROVES ANOTHER FEDERAL PROGRAM!!!!

    Try, just try your best to think for the ENTIRE NATION!!! Gays only comprise of 3-4% of the population. Frankly, i am not so selfish to put a few gays in front of national interest. The president has over 330 million americans to be concerned with......not just your bareback, Lady Gaga, cat loving and self indulgent/emotional decision making lives!


    I ACTUALLY agree with most (but not all) of your points.


    Why? None of his points are valid or truthful. Anybody who suggests that the majority should be able to trample the rights of ANY minority group or deny any person freedom and equality is not only stupid but anti-American and morally bankrupt.

    Tea Party Republicans would validate slavery by arguing that blacks are only 15% of the population so who cares about their rights? Republicans are stupid, as well as hateful and homophobic. That they are even using the argument "gays are only 4% of the population so it's okay to treat them like second-class citizens" shows that they do not understand the concept of democracy and are unfit for office.
  • TheBizMan

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    Oct 22, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
    007ALPHA saidAlso, the fag who posted this article is WRONG!!! Romney states he feels STATES SHOULD DICTATE GAY RIGHTS OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE!!

    It should come as no shocker that a fag would confuse this.icon_lol.gif


    You'll be gone before your second RJ sunrise.icon_lol.gif

    Hahah look at his name 007ALPHA. You do not play the "masc bro" card very well. You just sound like a bigoted idiot.
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    Oct 22, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Shahzadeh said
    007ALPHA said

    ****WE MUST FOCUS ON THE OUTPUT (RESULTS) OF GOVT PROGRAMS AND NOT THE INPUT (MONEY SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS**** In other words you little minded divisive and self indulgent gays, just b/c you "cut" funding doesnt mean you hate kids! Often times a cut will IMPROVE services by having folks improve productivity, cutting waste or reorganizing programs. When you CUT this means you SAVE money which means IT GOES BACK TO THE TAXPAYER OR IMPROVES ANOTHER FEDERAL PROGRAM!!!!

    Try, just try your best to think for the ENTIRE NATION!!! Gays only comprise of 3-4% of the population. Frankly, i am not so selfish to put a few gays in front of national interest. The president has over 330 million americans to be concerned with......not just your bareback, Lady Gaga, cat loving and self indulgent/emotional decision making lives!


    I ACTUALLY agree with most (but not all) of your points.


    Why? None of his points are valid or truthful. Anybody who suggests that the majority should be able to trample the rights of ANY minority grouper deny any person freedom and equality is not only stupid but anti-American and morally bankrupt.

    Tea Party Republicans would validate slavery by arguing that blacks are only 15% of the population so who cares about their rights? Republicans are stupid, as well as hateful and homophobic. That they are even using the argument "gays are only 4% of the population so it's okay to treat them like second-class citizens" shows that they do not understand the concept of democracy and are unfit for office.


    I agree with Troy on this argument, minorities must have a voice in this society. Just because majority wins, it doesn't mean they are right.

    I must say that yes, government is very inefficient and wasteful, and those things hinder economic performance of United States. But manipulating people and spreading propaganda to influence and gain support for war efforts abroad (ex. Iraq) is a biggest waste of taxpayers money you can think of. Such expenditures do not yield benefits to the American people and society as a whole and only further drive up national deficit.

    In my opinion, the government has more than substantial tax revenue to perform its duties and pay its debts. I have no problem with social programs that are in place because they generally improve quality of life for all American people. My only issue is with how inefficiently the government performs its duties and fails to crackdown on fraud and exploitation of all such operations.

    Anyways, this has derailed past the original topic of this post and I am too tired to coherently express my thoughts. So keep fighting for equality, justice, and what is right!

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 22, 2012 6:21 AM GMT
    Wow! What a bunch of bogus propaganda that has little basis in fact. Not sure what's more scary --- that the OP would post something so obviously ridiculous, or that some of you people actually believe it. Frankly, I don't care what you believe. It's no accident that "Gay Marriage" was not brought up in any of the debates. Why? Because it so pales in importance in the grand scheme of life as it pertains to the vast majority of Americans with far more pressing issues in their lives that it was not discussed or debated. By all means, vote for whomever you like --- this is your right --- but at least base your vote on facts and vote accordingly.
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    Oct 22, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    Get that check.

    Civil rights are usually more important to those trying to obtain them.
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    Oct 22, 2012 7:40 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWow! What a bunch of bogus propaganda that has little basis in fact. Not sure what's more scary --- that the OP would post something so obviously ridiculous, or that some of you people actually believe it. Frankly, I don't care what you believe. It's no accident that "Gay Marriage" was not brought up in any of the debates. Why? Because it so pales in importance in the grand scheme of life as it pertains to the vast majority of Americans with far more pressing issues in their lives that it was not discussed or debated. By all means, vote for whomever you like --- this is your right --- but at least base your vote on facts and vote accordingly.



    1) It has little basis in fact? Okay, even if I were to buy that lie of yours, the fact is that it contains enough truth to scare me away from Romney.

    Fact: Romney wants to preserve DoMA. He would fight for a similar federal constitutional amendment, which could not be altered by individual states.

    2) The vast majority of RJ members don't care about your beliefs.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 22, 2012 7:57 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWow! What a bunch of bogus propaganda that has little basis in fact. Not sure what's more scary --- that the OP would post something so obviously ridiculous, or that some of you people actually believe it. Frankly, I don't care what you believe. It's no accident that "Gay Marriage" was not brought up in any of the debates. Why? Because it so pales in importance in the grand scheme of life as it pertains to the vast majority of Americans with far more pressing issues in their lives that it was not discussed or debated. By all means, vote for whomever you like --- this is your right --- but at least base your vote on facts and vote accordingly.


    Republican logic: freedom and equality are only important when they're brought up in a debate.

    Republicans are anti-American. There's just no other way to put it. They are also quite dumb. The necessity of clean drinking water wasn't brought up in the debates either. That doesn't mean it's not important.

    Marriage equality is clearly important, otherwise banning it wouldn't be an official part of the Republican platform. Denying freedom and equality to gays is clearly important to the GOP, since they've wasted millions of taxpayer dollars defending DOMA in court and since conservatives required their Presidential candidate to sign pledges to amend the Constitution to ban marriage equality.

    Everything in the OP was true. CJAZ, a paid Romney operative, is merely here spreading his bullshit right-wing propaganda. Look at what this self-loathing gay scum wants you to believe: that your freedom, equality, and civil rights are not important. Gay Republicans actually believe this. Gay Republicans are the lowest of the low.
  • ASHDOD

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    Oct 22, 2012 8:05 AM GMT
    there is somthing so sad about democracy,in a huge important country like the u.s, of 350 milion people, thouse are the only 2 candidates you could find?
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    Oct 22, 2012 8:17 AM GMT
    We silly gays should just wait for a time when there's zero financial strife, we have a balanced budget, peace comes to the Middle East, political polarization has ceased, social issues are no longer used as wedges, Jesus is back at the helm, and the Fundies finally feel comfortable with the idea that other people exist.

    Anything else is just so...militant and niche-oriented.

    We have to consider the bottom line.

    And the DOW.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 22, 2012 8:24 AM GMT
    ASHDOD saidthere is somthing so sad about democracy,in a huge important country like the u.s, of 350 milion people, thouse are the only 2 candidates you could find?
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    We're perfectly happy with our candidates. I would vote for either over Bibi, so maybe you should worry about Israel and its foreign policy, which your leaders have in complete disarray. Not to mention your homelessness, drug problems, corruption at all levels of government including Israel's incompetent army which is buttressed my tax dollars, rising extremism and sexism, and of course your country's infamous disregard for human rights, marriage rights, and freedom of speech.

    Israel is a mess and would be lucky to have Barack Obama or Mitt Romney as its leader, so really, I don't know what you're talking about.
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    Oct 22, 2012 8:24 AM GMT
    It honestly baffles me how people can stand with someone who will deny you your rights. He has no plan. Also I have never seen a candidate flip flop his views so much in my life. He doesnt want to help the middle class....you cant give everyone a tax break across the board and somehow the deficit is cured...doesnt work that way. Also, it lights a fire under my ass when some one on here would deliberately call another guy a fag on here. who is to scared to show his damn face..Real jock is a community of strong minded individuals who have different views some republican or democrat...but your immaturity is not welcome here 07ALPHA