What Are All References To Gays In The Bible?

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    Oct 23, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    What are the references to gays in the Bible? I really want to see what they have to see in the new and old Testament. I'm trying to prepare myself for an argument about homosexuality in the Bible.

    I was thinking maybe going the route where I bring up that the Bible says that it's appropriate for black people to be slaves, cannot eat shrimp and can't wear a certain type of mixed cloth; all in the same place where they say you can't be gay.

    Also, if someone can explain the Sodom thing to me I'd really appreciate that. Do they think that because "sodomy" looks like it came from "Sodom" that the "sin of Sodom" means being gay or something? I thought the sin of Sodom was something to do with being vain?

    Thanks for the help!
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    Oct 23, 2012 8:40 PM GMT

    Leviticus, old testament.

    Nothing in New Testament EXCEPT that unmarrieds having sex are fornicators etc etc and so sinners. By default gays were included. Why? Because my good OneSongGlory, they could not marry. And now you know why the religulous Right are so against gay marriage.

    Because....then...they....can't....blanket classify.... gays....as...sinners, abominations etc. Interesting, isn't it?

    As for the Sin Of Sodom, here:


    http://bible.cc/ezekiel/16-49.htm

    "English Standard Version (©2001)
    Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. "
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    Oct 23, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Leviticus, old testament.

    Nothing in New Testament EXCEPT that unmarrieds having sex are fornicators etc etc and so sinners. By default gays were included. Why? Because my good OneSongGlory, they could not marry. And now you know why the religulous Right are so against gay marriage.

    Because....then...they....can't....blanket classify.... gays....as...sinners, abominations etc. Interesting, isn't it?

    As for the Sin Of Sodom, here:


    http://bible.cc/ezekiel/16-49.htm

    "English Standard Version (©2001)
    Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. "


    Erm
    Romans 1:26-7
    1 Corinthians 6:9
    1 Tim 1:10

    Of course they are all a load of BS, and with the huge cultural gap between then and now it´s not clear that they are relevant, but, still, useful to know where they are.
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    Oct 23, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    Are those the only 4-5 references to gays in the Bible?

    And the fact that they're against gay marriage and that as the only way they're considered sinners is interesting. Although isn't the biblical definition of marriage between a man and woman? I'm not trying to start something, just trying to get all the facts straight on this so I can argue it better.

    Oh and I checked the link you gave MIL, and this was something under "Clarke's Commentary." I don't get what exactly in that statement was considered an "unnatural crime":

    "This was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom - If we are to take this place literally, Sodom was guilty of other crimes besides that for which she appears to have been especially punished; in addition to her unnatural crime, She is charged with pride, luxury, idleness, and uncharitableness; and these were sufficient to sink any city to the bottomless pit. "

    @Gonzo: Are those from the New Testament? I didn't read Tim, but the first one seems kind of hard to argue. The other one, Romans... did they have the word 'homosexual' in ancient times?
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    Oct 23, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    There are no references to 'gays' in the bible. That is an heretical misinterpretation of ancient language, customs and religious beliefs.
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    Oct 23, 2012 9:59 PM GMT


    @ Gonzo: well it's about time you showed up, silly rabbit. Whenever I post the few excerpts that I do, you usually never show up. *sobs*


    @ OneSongGlory: Romans makes me smile, because god gave over people to unnatural lusts because they, among other things, made depictions of god as though god were a human being.

    ....oops, but then there's the Sistine Chapel among the zillions of depictions of god as an old man with a great beard.....icon_wink.gif

    ...confused further by the old text that said god made man in his image, which inferred god looks like a human and...well, you can see how circular and bizarre
    it gets, lol.

    The bible says lots of kooky things. The big burning question is, what did Christ say about gays, after it is Christianity, isn't it? icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 23, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
    I'm still confused lol. By the way, is this Bill or Doug?
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    Oct 23, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
    OneSongGlory saidI'm still confused lol. By the way, is this Bill or Doug?


    It's usually Doug unless I end the post with
    -Doug and Bill

    Or very rarely, when Bill whacks me over the head with the keyboard and signs a post with
    -Bill

    Bear in mind that the new testament is contaminated with stuff from the old testament when reading about the awfulness of the gays. Those writers of old had been marinated and sauteed in Leviticus.

    Consider as well the short lifespans and high infant mortality and you can logically see where the gays fell short in the 'be fruitful and multiply' category.
    (well, be fruitful they were good at, lol, or at least fruity) icon_lol.gif

    PS I'm Christian, but perhaps not the kind you're familiar with. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    So I should consider what is written in the New Testament stuff that is referencing the Old Testament? I always thought the New Testament was Jesus' teachings of new.
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    Oct 24, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    OneSongGlory saidSo I should consider what is written in the New Testament stuff that is referencing the Old Testament? I always thought the New Testament was Jesus' teachings of new.



    Interestingly enough, apparently Christ could walk on water etc etc but couldn't write. I have a secret bet that he could, and darn well did, but we'll never know.

    Another thing to consider is looking at those condemning passages as directed at straight men and women that were having gay sex. Let's face it, it's a good way to avoid getting preggers, and in those days preggers was risky business. Lots of mortality.

    Remember the 'be fruitful and multiply' edict. That edict was strong enough to make the Catholic church say no to birth control even today.
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    Oct 24, 2012 4:36 AM GMT
    I always thought about that, and maybe it could have been referencing straight guys having sex with other straight guys in porn or lesbian porn with two straight girls or whatever.

    It's a lot to take in, especially when you read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about the Bible passages that reference homosexuality.
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    Oct 25, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    This site might e helpful. Romans is the only book in the bible that might be sighted and there is another passage in the new testament where Jesus says that he is not on earth "to replace the law of Moses."

    http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/
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    Oct 25, 2012 5:09 AM GMT
    amschutz saidThis site might e helpful. Romans is the only book in the bible that might be sighted and there is another passage in the new testament where Jesus says that he is not on earth "to replace the law of Moses."

    http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/


    Deuteronomy? Oh no, there are terrible things in Deuteronomy.

    Third commandment, "...I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,"

    This is exactly what Christ was the opposite of, and tried to explain.


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    http://niv.scripturetext.com/deuteronomy/5.htm
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    Oct 25, 2012 11:19 AM GMT
    Take a look at this thread. I posted one article in its entirety that should answer your questions

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2396401/
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    Oct 25, 2012 1:54 PM GMT
    rigsby saidTake a look at this thread. I posted one article in its entirety that should answer your questions

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2396401/



    Here, rigsby, I've narrowed this link down to hit your post first:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2396401/?forumpage=2
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    Oct 25, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
    I spose if you want to follow the Rand McNally version of life, or the Bible, you can find references to just about anything you shouldn't do.

    Jesus talks about the New Covenant and washing away with the old; and he never once mentions homosexuality....Paul rants and raves about it, but then i guess he was fucking some poor little altar boy so needed to expound on it.

    I understand one's need to delve into the laws of your faith, but i think that if you believe in a higher being, yahweh, abba, jesus, whatever, then you must also understand his design in giving us choice.....and trust......and faith...(that which goes beyond sight).

    If you miss this point, then you join the millions who have disrespected his gift of free choice and run to the Rand McNally guide to life.......this is of course my take on the matter and in no way relfects the thots of CBS or its affiliate stations.
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    Oct 26, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    Well, there's the part that says gays must die. Then there's the part about how cities that tolerate gays will be destroyed. And... well, that's it.icon_evil.gif
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    Oct 26, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    Matthew 4:19
    "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

    Can't get any more gay than that. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 26, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidMatthew 4:19
    "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

    Can't get any more gay than that. icon_lol.gif


    blasphemer!! into the snake pit with ye.......
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    Keith51 said
    paulflexes saidMatthew 4:19
    "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."

    Can't get any more gay than that. icon_lol.gif


    blasphemer!! into the snake pit with ye.......


    Sounds hot.icon_twisted.gif
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:59 AM GMT
    The King of Israel David was a Bisexual & everyone knows that he was a lover of Jonathan


    2 Samuel 1:26
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
    Matthew 8 : 5 - 13

    Jesus blessed a gay couple
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    Sam_u_el said The King of Israel David was a Bisexual & everyone knows that he was a lover of Jonathan


    2 Samuel 1:26


    especially after Saul had it published in the Jerusalem National Enquirer....simply EVERYBODY knew.......
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    Sam_u_el saidMatthew 8 : 5 - 13

    Jesus blessed a gay couple


    believe his exact words were " go now, and blow no more".....
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    Nov 14, 2012 7:03 AM GMT
    Sam_u_el saidMatthew 8 : 5 - 13

    Jesus blessed a gay couple


    5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” 7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant,[a] ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel[b] have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

    What part of that suggested that they were a gay couple?