Homosexuality harms no one?

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    Oct 23, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    http://carm.org/homosexual-gay-sex-harms-no-one

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  • tazzari

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    Oct 23, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    Only one thought: what a crock of bullshit.

    BTW - We had a very well-attended service at our church yesterday - Trinity Seattle - for the annual Matthew Shepard sermon, with the title "Marriage Equality - the Gospel mandate of our time" - so you know where these Christians stand. The fear- and hate-filled noisy ones do NOT speak for all churches or all Christians, lie as they will.
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    Oct 23, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    Hmm interesting.
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    Oct 23, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    JOOU saidhttp://carm.org/homosexual-gay-sex-harms-no-one
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    Hogwash. There's so much wrong with that article, one doesn't even know where to start.
  • bischero

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    Oct 23, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    JOOU saidhttp://carm.org/homosexual-gay-sex-harms-no-one

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    While the website cites some studies, it doesn't look at them 1. in context, and 2. nor does it take into account that a lot of these studies were from the 90s.

    The Health24 "study" is not something that I would pay attention to, especially since many other studies have come out saying that the environment in which a homosexual is living greatly affects whether they have depression or not. Depression is not a comorbidity with being gay.

    Unfortunately, Van de Ven's study on promiscuity does not do anything to help our stereotype for being promiscuous. Probably something the community should address and look into. I am thinking that as gay marriage is legalized, this trend in promiscuity will decrease.

    We do make up a larger portion of the population in the USA living with HIV/AIDS. That's true.

    The lifespan stuff is mainly affected by two things: HIV contraction and access to healthcare. Since gay men are more at risk for the first one and some do not have the best access to health care in the second, life expectancy will decrease. However, more and more people are living with HIV (no longer a death sentence), and as gays are continually more accepted in our society, they should have greater access to health; rather, they should feel more comfortable approaching their physicians that they are gay.

    The domestic violence article is old and, in my opinion, dated. The circumstances of gays living in the late 80s and early 90s is different than it is now. And as much as I hate using anecdotal evidence to support any claims, none of my gay friends who are in relationships suffer from domestic violence (as far as I know).


    Being gay is not harmful, but that doesn't mean that we cannot be harmed or that certain aspects of our community shouldn't change. Look at the research for what it really is and don't twist it like this website has. icon_cool.gif
  • Vaughn

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    Oct 23, 2012 11:22 PM GMT
    The reason HIV infection rates are higher in the gay population is because they get tested the most. That shouldn't be a mystery. Additionally seeing we don't have any sort of accurate figure of hom many homosexuals there are makes it impossible to figure what the actual infection rates are for that community. If it were 2% of the population representing 61% of all new HIV infection rates and around 0.6% of the US (less than the global average) were infected... that would be weird.

    2% Is also the lowest number I've seen... The actual excepted range in the SBS community (APA, ASA, AAA) is 5 -10%. Just to make a point SBS is the authority on this topic, not epidemiologists. It confuses me why the CDC is not using their data being they are tasked with both theory and practice in the matter. I generally respect the CDC, however WHO must be laughing at that one.

    WHO also points out that the types of studys mentioned in the article are bull because 1/2 of respondants to thier survey said they might lie on a survey about being gay. That makes over a 50% error varriance - unnacceptable. That's like unusable. Seeing we can't tell if someone is a homosexual from a urine test all research in the subject must be taken very critically. Additionally (also a flaw of the first round of Pillard studies) there is a distiction between homosexuality, bisexuality and transient bisexuality. This dramatically distorts data if very careful language is not used.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    Being human hurts everyone, because all humans eventually die. Maybe we should outlaw being human, since it's such a dangerous thing to be.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:25 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidBeing human hurts everyone, because all humans eventually die. Maybe we should outlaw being human, since it's such a dangerous thing to be.


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    Oct 23, 2012 11:25 PM GMT
    Make gays feel abnormal and isolated, then blame them for suffering depression... icon_confused.gif

    Deny gays the same opportunities straight people have to strengthen a relationship and then accuse them for acting like bachelors.... icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:32 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidBeing human hurts everyone, because all humans eventually die. Maybe we should outlaw being human, since it's such a dangerous thing to be.


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    Oct 23, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    JR_RJ said
    OneSongGlory said
    paulflexes saidBeing human hurts everyone, because all humans eventually die. Maybe we should outlaw being human, since it's such a dangerous thing to be.


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    You down for some polyamory in this thread? I know people do that! icon_twisted.gif


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  • jeepguySD

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    Oct 23, 2012 11:36 PM GMT
    What I see in the artice is just another example of bigotry and intolerance disguised (thinly) as an attempt to do good. I wonder if the author is honest enough to admit to himself that he is a bigot? Or does he see himself as helping the unfortunate?
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:36 PM GMT
    Wow what a pile of complete and utter poppycock. Let's just look at the first one. Of COURSE gays are more likely to suffer from depression, because of the people running that frickin' website, the same kind of people who oppress through religion to make gay people feel isolated, unaccepted and guilty and hence, depressed.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:36 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidBeing human hurts everyone, because all humans eventually die. Maybe we should outlaw being human, since it's such a dangerous thing to be.


    Yes, life is a sexually transmissible disease, and nobody ever survived it, 100% mortality rate.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    JOOU saidhttp://carm.org/homosexual-gay-sex-harms-no-one

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    Haters are going to hate
  • Vaughn

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    Oct 23, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    jeepguySD saidWhat I see in the artice is just another example of bigotry and intolerance disguised (thinly) as an attempt to do good. I wonder if the author is honest enough to admit to himself that he is a bigot? Or does he see himself as helping the unfortunate?


    I like how it addresses depression and suicide but not social stratification or degredation ceromony. Was the article going to make a point that these things are inate in homosexuality or was it calling for public officials to be more responsible with what they say on TV and what policies they pass? A real mystery there. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
    Vaughn said
    jeepguySD saidWhat I see in the artice is just another example of bigotry and intolerance disguised (thinly) as an attempt to do good. I wonder if the author is honest enough to admit to himself that he is a bigot? Or does he see himself as helping the unfortunate?


    I like how it addresses depression and suicide but not social stratification or degredation ceromony. Was the article going to make a point that these things are inate in homosexuality or was it calling for public officials to be more responsible with what they say on TV and what policies they pass? A real mystery there. icon_lol.gif


    Very good point. I was thinking something similar, that the author ignored the underlying stigmatization (from people like him) that contribute -- probably profoundly -- to the depression and suicides.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
    So.. oppress and marginalize people, then point out that they're more likely to become to become depressed. As Joe would say, this is a load of stuff.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 23, 2012 11:44 PM GMT
    the correct saying is "big tits never hurt anyone". Men, including gay men hurt a lot of people. Human nature.icon_idea.gif
  • Vaughn

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    Oct 23, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
    jeepguySD said
    Vaughn said
    jeepguySD saidWhat I see in the artice is just another example of bigotry and intolerance disguised (thinly) as an attempt to do good. I wonder if the author is honest enough to admit to himself that he is a bigot? Or does he see himself as helping the unfortunate?


    I like how it addresses depression and suicide but not social stratification or degredation ceromony. Was the article going to make a point that these things are inate in homosexuality or was it calling for public officials to be more responsible with what they say on TV and what policies they pass? A real mystery there. icon_lol.gif


    Very good point. I was thinking something similar, that the author ignored the underlying stigmatization (from people like him) that contribute -- probably profoundly -- to the depression and suicides.


    Seriously, and Christians wonder why they are on the out. I guess you can only be an asshole full of shit for so long before nobody cares to listen. Some of them still assert that the world is flat and we need to you know, deal with the gays. I wonder how much longer until only the nice ones are left? I love me some Episcopallians.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    JOOU saidhttp://carm.org/homosexual-gay-sex-harms-no-one

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    CARM is a fundamentalist quack website and thus absolutely anything it says about homosexuality is a bunch of lies.
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    Oct 23, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    Funny that the moron that wrote (I use that term in the loosest definition possible) that article doesn't even realize that what he states as problems of gays are almost entirely due to straights like him.

    It's like the logic of a serial killer. "I torture and kill them. Since they keep complaining and dying, I have no choice but to continue to torture and kill them. So it's their fault that I'm doing this."

    What bother's me, is that people like this are allowed to breed and vote.
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    Oct 24, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
    bgcat57 saidFunny that the moron that wrote (I use that term in the loosest definition possible) that article doesn't even realize that what he states as problems of gays are almost entirely due to straights like him.

    It's like the logic of a serial killer. "I torture and kill them. Since they keep complaining and dying, I have no choice but to continue to torture and kill them. So it's their fault that I'm doing this."

    What bother's me, is that people like this are allowed to breed and vote.


    Christians did support eugenics laws even when the Supreme Court struck them down in the 1970s.
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    Oct 24, 2012 12:05 AM GMT
    bgcat57 saidFunny that the moron that wrote (I use that term in the loosest definition possible) that article doesn't even realize that what he states as problems of gays are almost entirely due to straights like him.

    It's like the logic of a serial killer. "I torture and kill them. Since they keep complaining and dying, I have no choice but to continue to torture and kill them. So it's their fault that I'm doing this."

    What bother's me, is that people like this are allowed to breed and vote.
    What bothers me, is that people like this are allowed to run for public office (and get voted for by the conservaposse).
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    Oct 24, 2012 12:08 AM GMT
    JOOU saidhttp://carm.org/homosexual-gay-sex-harms-no-one

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    Clearly, this man has never met a lesbian, or even heard the joke that involves a U-Haul. If he had, he'd know that lesbian relationships are among the most successful long-term relationships out there.

    Also, I discount anything that comes from an organization that has Christian and "research" or "science" in the title.