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  • metta

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    Oct 24, 2012 2:12 AM GMT
    Please De-Friend Me

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kergan-edwardsstout/romney-lgbt-rights_b_1980231.html
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
    Well said. Although I'm always shocked at how many people have Conservative friends. I can't allow people like that in my life in the first place.
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
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    I have conservative friends but none of them will vote for Romney. I have one acquaintance that is voting for Romney but I would not really call her a friend....more like a friend of a friend.
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    Oct 24, 2012 12:07 PM GMT
    I have conservative friends who are voting for Romney, and I'm fine with it. I've had discussions as to why they are, and I respect their reasoning. All have disagreed with his stance on gay rights, but some have serious and understandable concerns about a second Obama term. A couple of friends are small business owners and they feel like the Democrats have left them out to dry, so they're voting for Romney. If I was a small business owner, I probably would too. At the end of the day, people will vote for the candidate that they feel will serve them the best.

    My issue is with the undecideds who vote for Romney for no good reason at all. If you don't have strong feelings toward either candidate, why not vote for the candidate that supports gay rights--especially if you have gay friends and/or family?
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    Oct 24, 2012 12:09 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidWell said. Although I'm always shocked at how many people have Conservative friends. I can't allow people like that in my life in the first place.


    It's one thing if you dislike people because they're anti-gay. Disliking people because they're conservative/Republican (and no other reason) makes me sad.
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    Oct 24, 2012 1:10 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    Scruffypup saidWell said. Although I'm always shocked at how many people have Conservative friends. I can't allow people like that in my life in the first place.


    It's one thing if you dislike people because they're anti-gay. Disliking people because they're conservative/Republican (and no other reason) makes me sad.



    there is a fundamental difference in mindset that makes their value systems at total odds with the other.

    Conservatives are considered selfish to varying degrees by liberal thinkers. That makes liberals sad.

    Lobsters, on the other hand, are shellfish, and with garlic butter that makes everyone happy - except the lobster.

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    Oct 24, 2012 1:21 PM GMT
    Awesome essay. Thanks for sharing.
  • Latenight30

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    Oct 24, 2012 1:41 PM GMT
    This country allows difference of opinion. It's great. Our 2 party system is way flawed but it's not the voters fault.
    I know a lot of my older friends will vote Romney. That is their choice, I know pretty well my parents will. I don't fault them for it, all I can do is vote the way I want to, and hope the lies aren't as bad as they seem.
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    Oct 24, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    Scruffypup saidWell said. Although I'm always shocked at how many people have Conservative friends. I can't allow people like that in my life in the first place.


    It's one thing if you dislike people because they're anti-gay. Disliking people because they're conservative/Republican (and no other reason) makes me sad.



    Hmmm....I thought the same thing when I read your post. It makes me sad to think a gay man would allow people in his life who would vote for a candidate who thinks he is scum. Basically, you're admitting your "friends" think money is more important than people. And you even said that if you were a business owner, you'd probably vote in favor of money over people too. I think you and your "friends" could use a lesson in integrity.
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    Oct 24, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    I would never de friend someone because they diisagreed with my politics. Most people I know dont agree with my politics.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 24, 2012 1:52 PM GMT
    I have a friend (someone I have known since 3rd grade) who recently posted something like this on his Facebook page. Basically similar to the article the OP linked to, in which the person wanted anyone not voting for Obama to defriend them. My first reaction was that this sort of "My way or the highway" mentality isn't one that likely wins someone many friends in the first place. This notion that just because someone doesn't vote for Obama, or that they vote for Romney, must mean that they are anti-gay, or that they don't care about equal rights, blah-blah-blah is just plain not true. The attempts to basically bully people into voting a certain way or they are not worthy of your friendship is both selfish and juvenile. Voting for any one candidate is NOT about any one issue. It is not fair at all for someone to make someone else's vote all about them.
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    Oct 24, 2012 1:54 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have a friend (someone I have known since 3rd grade) who recently posted something like this on his Facebook page. Basically similar to the article the OP linked to, in which the person wanted anyone not voting for Obama to defriend them. My first reaction was that this sort of "My way or the highway" mentality isn;t one that likely wins someone many friends in the first place. This notion that just because someone doesn't vote for Obama, or that they vote for Romney, must mean that they are anti-gay, or that they don't care about equal rights, blah-blah-blah is just plain not true. The attempts to basically bully people into voting a certain way or they are not worthy of your friendship is both selfish and juvenile. Voting for any one candidate is NOT about any one issue. It is not fair at all for someone to make someone else's vote all about them.


    I guess its a new way for self absorbed people to take it to the next level. It is beyond childish. Not surprising its a facebook thing.
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    Oct 24, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidIt makes me sad to think a gay man would allow people in his life who would vote for a candidate who thinks he is scum


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    Oct 24, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have a friend (someone I have known since 3rd grade) who recently posted something like this on his Facebook page. Basically similar to the article the OP linked to, in which the person wanted anyone not voting for Obama to defriend them. My first reaction was that this sort of "My way or the highway" mentality isn't one that likely wins someone many friends in the first place. This notion that just because someone doesn't vote for Obama, or that they vote for Romney, must mean that they are anti-gay, or that they don't care about equal rights, blah-blah-blah is just plain not true. The attempts to basically bully people into voting a certain way or they are not worthy of your friendship is both selfish and juvenile. Voting for any one candidate is NOT about any one issue. It is not fair at all for someone to make someone else's vote all about them.


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    Here's what I posted on my FB page a couple of weeks ago:

    THE UNOFFICIAL FACEBOOK 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BLACKOUT PLEDGE
    I hereby pledge to keep my FB posts, photos, links, comments, likes and messages free of any and all material related to party affiliation, candidate preference, cheers, jeers, slams and support for any political candidate, party, platform, policy, or agenda from this post forward through January 22nd, 2013. I refuse to allow politics to color my friendships beyond repair in an environment where sharing things of true consequence between friends and family can not and should not be damaged by differences of opinions in a free society where equality begins with respect for choices over which social media has no real influence other than to inflame emotions and stifle reason and compassion and character.
    REPOST (not simply 'like') IF YOU AGREE TO PLEDGE THE SAME

    Sadly, 90% simply liked, and the vitriol flows, but about 30 people re-posted it.
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have a friend (someone I have known since 3rd grade) who recently posted something like this on his Facebook page. Basically similar to the article the OP linked to, in which the person wanted anyone not voting for Obama to defriend them. My first reaction was that this sort of "My way or the highway" mentality isn;t one that likely wins someone many friends in the first place. This notion that just because someone doesn't vote for Obama, or that they vote for Romney, must mean that they are anti-gay, or that they don't care about equal rights, blah-blah-blah is just plain not true. The attempts to basically bully people into voting a certain way or they are not worthy of your friendship is both selfish and juvenile. Voting for any one candidate is NOT about any one issue. It is not fair at all for someone to make someone else's vote all about them.



    This isn't about that and you know it. Intelligent people realize that when someone actively supports someone who's anti-gay, they have become anti-gay themselves simply by supporting and enabling evil to exist. The person who drives the get-away car at a bank robbery is punished along with the guy who held the gun. Why would you expect things to work any differently socially?
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    like 2 weeks ago I put as my status on facebook: "All single mothers, please defriend me.... im over it".... and some bitch reported me and got my account suspended. icon_sad.gif
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:06 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have a friend (someone I have known since 3rd grade) who recently posted something like this on his Facebook page. Basically similar to the article the OP linked to, in which the person wanted anyone not voting for Obama to defriend them. My first reaction was that this sort of "My way or the highway" mentality isn;t one that likely wins someone many friends in the first place. This notion that just because someone doesn't vote for Obama, or that they vote for Romney, must mean that they are anti-gay, or that they don't care about equal rights, blah-blah-blah is just plain not true. The attempts to basically bully people into voting a certain way or they are not worthy of your friendship is both selfish and juvenile. Voting for any one candidate is NOT about any one issue. It is not fair at all for someone to make someone else's vote all about them.



    This isn't about that and you know it. Intelligent people realize that when someone actively supports someone who's anti-gay, they have become anti-gay themselves simply by supporting and enabling evil to exist. The person who drives the get-away car at a bank robbery is punished along with the guy who held the gun. Why would you expect things to work any differently socially?


    But you do not influence friendships with impulsive "all or nothing" game-ending platitudes. You ask them to consider, you seek to influence change in an open conversation that challenges them to speak to how and why they can ignore these points, in hopes it seeps in slowly and carefully and respectfully. This is not a world of absolutes and it's socially retarded to think you can yell at everyone at once and get collective acquiescence. A good healthy rant it one thing, but pointedly dividing one's friends into blanket categories is dysfunctional anti-social madness one typically grows out of at age 9.
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    Import saidlike 2 weeks ago I put as my status on facebook: "All single mothers, please defriend me.... im over it".... and some bitch reported me and got my account suspended. icon_sad.gif


    no way. really?
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:14 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have a friend (someone I have known since 3rd grade) who recently posted something like this on his Facebook page. Basically similar to the article the OP linked to, in which the person wanted anyone not voting for Obama to defriend them. My first reaction was that this sort of "My way or the highway" mentality isn;t one that likely wins someone many friends in the first place. This notion that just because someone doesn't vote for Obama, or that they vote for Romney, must mean that they are anti-gay, or that they don't care about equal rights, blah-blah-blah is just plain not true. The attempts to basically bully people into voting a certain way or they are not worthy of your friendship is both selfish and juvenile. Voting for any one candidate is NOT about any one issue. It is not fair at all for someone to make someone else's vote all about them.



    This isn't about that and you know it. Intelligent people realize that when someone actively supports someone who's anti-gay, they have become anti-gay themselves simply by supporting and enabling evil to exist. The person who drives the get-away car at a bank robbery is punished along with the guy who held the gun. Why would you expect things to work any differently socially?


    But you do not influence friendships with impulsive "all or nothing" game-ending platitudes. You ask them to consider, you seek to influence change in an open conversation that challenges them to speak to how and why they can ignore these points, in hopes it seeps in slowly and carefully and respectfully. This is not a world of absolutes and it's socially retarded to think you can yell at everyone at once and get collective acquiescence. A good healthy rant it one thing, but pointedly dividing one's friends into blanket categories is dysfunctional anti-social madness one typically grows out of at age 9.



    You could call it immaturity I suppose. However I see it as "I'm fed up with ignorant fucks, so if you think that way, I don't want you near me."
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    Oct 24, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 said
    Import saidlike 2 weeks ago I put as my status on facebook: "All single mothers, please defriend me.... im over it".... and some bitch reported me and got my account suspended. icon_sad.gif


    no way. really?

    yeah, can u believe that? Whoever it was, she/he was obvi on my friendlist and reported me. Also, am I not allowed to say that? Who's to judge what's appropriate or not as far as status updates go?
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    Oct 24, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidWell said. Although I'm always shocked at how many people have Conservative friends. I can't allow people like that in my life in the first place.


    It's one thing if you dislike people because they're anti-gay. Disliking people because they're conservative/Republican (and no other reason) makes me sad.



    Hmmm....I thought the same thing when I read your post. It makes me sad to think a gay man would allow people in his life who would vote for a candidate who thinks he is scum. Basically, you're admitting your "friends" think money is more important than people. And you even said that if you were a business owner, you'd probably vote in favor of money over people too. I think you and your "friends" could use a lesson in integrity.


    Politics is more than being about just one issue. Issues that affect you and me might not directly affect others. When I step into the voting booth, I do so with my own self-interests in mind. It is, after all, MY vote. I expect everyone else to do the same. If my small business owner friends are being crippled by taxes and government regulations, while struggling to make ends meet, I can't expect them to care about other issues. I expect them to vote for the candidate who will benefit them best. They would be insane not to.

    The same goes for the gay men and women who want to get married. How can I expect them to vote Republican if their basic needs aren't being met. This is what's all about...needs being met.

    Also, isn't it you who might be selfish?Yes, gay rights is a no brainer. It shouldn't even be a discussion. Still, you're expecting everyone you know to vote for your candidate because it helps you. You clearly don't care about what your friends want or need. That is the very definition selfish.

    Furthermore, I can't imagine my life without the two people in question. Yes, they're Republicans. Yes, they're voting for Romney. But when I came out, they were the two most supportive people in my life. They always have had my back. If you don't like that, then you can quite frankly, go fuck yourself.

    Friends listen, discuss, and support. They don't make ultimatums.
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    Oct 24, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    By the way, I'm a small business owner. And I have no problem paying my taxes.
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    Oct 24, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said

    This isn't about that and you know it. Intelligent people realize that when someone actively supports someone who's anti-gay, they have become anti-gay themselves simply by supporting and enabling evil to exist.



    Nope, sorry, Scruffy but I must respectfully disagree. "Intelligent people" are far more open-minded with a grasp of reality and the world at large.
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    Oct 24, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    Most of the Republicans I know are socially "liberal." They vote on self-serving pocketbook issues. Many of them will never be one percenters...but somewhere in their mind they exist in that hope/aspiration.

    Most of the conservatives I know are unthinking and overly religious. They vote a certain way that reinforces they're group think and what they've been told/commanded by human representatives of supposed higher powers.

    I can handle Republicans. It's the conservatives who can't/won't think for themselves with whom I struggle.