Gay marriage is legal in Ca but my best friend still can't marry

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    Sep 02, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
    I need to vent!

    Ok, so I got into an argument with a friend of mine, who is gay and a republican.

    It goes like this:

    My best friend from the Air Force, is still in the Air Force, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Him and his BF have been together for 6 years.

    My friend the gay republican says," Why don't you two get married since it is now legal in California."

    I say," Because if they got married he would be "telling" that he is gay and thus would loose his job. If Obama is elected he promised to remove don't ask, don't tell and McCain supports it."

    So I ask him, "Why would you support a candidate that promotes a backward stance to equal rights?"

    He says that I should not vote on one issue. I retort, "that one issue is keeping you a second class citizen and you must enjoy being a servant."
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    Sep 02, 2008 4:16 AM GMT
    Oh well... gay republicans. Weird people. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:00 AM GMT
    Gay Republicans = Chickens voting Colonel Sanders
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:17 AM GMT
    YngHungSFSD saidGay Republicans = Chickens voting Colonel Sanders


    Oh shuddup!

    Colonel Sanders was a good man. He helped a lot of the poor cows who otherwise would be driven to extinction by McDonalds.
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    *Colonel Sanders was a good man. He helped a lot of the poor pigeons and squirrels who otherwise would be driven to extinction by McDonalds.

    Fixed that for you icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:25 AM GMT
    Being gay and in the military is, at best, a weird thing, at worst stressful and dangerous. I was in the navy and there were some commands (read ships, shore bases, etc) that were "gay indifferent" and others that were "gay witch hunters". Mostly it seems that if you do your job nobody cares, but there's still the odd pocket of homophobes here and there and the higher in rank you go the thicker the homophobia. Probably 'cause they are all closeted fags anyway, but I digress. If you have gay friends in the military and you aren't, just accept that they know what they know what they are talking about in it being dangerous in coming out. Maybe they like being in the military, maybe they like their job or whatever. Maybe they just want to get through their enlistment and go to college. Support your military friends, don't nag them.
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    Well Obama has already said he believes he can successfully get rid of DADT so we all can do something with our vote.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/04/11/2008-04-11_obama_ill_end_dontask_donttell-1.html

    As far as those who want to deny their own rights, all I can say is chop your own foot off and not the rest of us.

    BTW, yes I have at least 4 friends who have been given the boot against their will, 2 that are still in are voting for Obama for this among other reasons.
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:38 AM GMT
    dowal said*Colonel Sanders was a good man. He helped a lot of the poor pigeons and squirrels who otherwise would be driven to extinction by McDonalds.

    Fixed that for you icon_smile.gif


    Thank you! I originally wrote it that way but the government censored it. Hmmm
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:40 AM GMT
    EMSman saidHe says that I should not vote on one issue. I retort, "that one issue is keeping you a second class citizen and you must enjoy being a servant."
    I am sure you are just trying to look out for your friends interests, but they are grown up and are entitled to their own choice.

    I sometimes think I would want to say, "Don't come crying when you get the boot" but I know I would still have sympathy for them.
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    Sep 02, 2008 7:14 AM GMT
    Can't the Air Force guy just get married and not tell. I mean isn't the conversation as easy as this?:

    Boss: "Hey Air Force dude. Why are you requesting a week off?"

    Air force fag: "Ohhhhh you know. Gotta chill wit my family n roll wit mah crew. I'm totally not getting gay married or anything like that heh heh heh"

    boss: "Oh ok. See you in a week."
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    Sep 02, 2008 7:43 AM GMT
    I know it will be hard to do, but if the Democrats get the White House, keep the House of Representatives, and get a strong majority in the Senate, DADT can get repealed despite that **##$^ Sam Nunn and other wingnut Democrats.
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    Sep 02, 2008 7:48 AM GMT
    dfrw saidI know it will be hard to do, but if the Democrats get the White House, keep the House of Representatives, and get a strong majority in the Senate, DADT can get repealed despite that **##$^ Sam Nunn and other wingnut Democrats.


    Can't DADT get repealed irregardless of who takes office because the majority of Americans want to repeal it and thus it can get overturned by a majority vote?
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    Sep 02, 2008 7:58 AM GMT
    It would require a veto-proof majority, 2/3. Since John Mc"I'm Just So Filled With Love For My Fellow Humans But Gays Aren't Human" would veto it.
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    Sep 02, 2008 7:58 AM GMT
    No. Republicans don't want it repealed. If they did, they would have repealed it already.
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    Sep 02, 2008 2:38 PM GMT
    You should have thrown back at him that with the last 8 years under a Republican, our country is far worse off than any time in recent memory. What part of the total Republican platform is truly working in America? The dis-illusionment of self-righteousness culminates in the dumbing down of America as evident by your Republican friend.
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    They could get married in CA and asked for a confidential marriage which will seal the marriage and it wont be made public record, thus protecting their privacy.
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    Sep 03, 2008 6:11 AM GMT
    sfinboston saidThey could get married in CA and asked for a confidential marriage which will seal the marriage and it wont be made public record, thus protecting their privacy.


    Really? I will check into that for my bff, as for my republican gay friend, well, I will just have to attempt to change his mind one day at a time.

    I don't hate republicans or anyone really for that matter (unless they want to take away my freedom, life, and or liberty) oh wait! that is the conservative christian...i mean republican platform, their ideologies just make me sad.

    I would have stayed in the military if it wasn't for having to lie, I just could not take it anymore:
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    Sep 03, 2008 6:18 AM GMT
    Oh yea and these quotes are directly from the GOP 2008 platform, if it does not scare you then your a republican..


    Directly from the 2008 republican platform document:


    "Esprit and cohesion are necessary for military effectiveness
    and success on the battlefield. To protect our
    servicemen and women and ensure that America’s
    Armed Forces remain the best in the world, we affirm
    the timelessness of those values, the benefits of traditional military culture, and the incompatibility of
    homosexuality with military service."

    Marriage and children:


    "Republicans recognize
    the importance of having in the home a father and a
    mother who are married."


    The theocracy of the United States of America:

    "The public display of the Ten Commandments does
    not violate the U.S. Constitution and accurately
    reflects the Judeo-Christian heritage of our country."

    "We affirm every citizen’s right to apply religious
    values to public policy and the right of faith-based
    organizations to participate fully in public programs
    without renouncing their beliefs, removing religious
    objects or symbols, or becoming subject to government-
    imposed hiring practices."

    "Republican leadership has made religious liberty
    a central element of U.S. foreign policy. Asserting
    religious freedom should be a priority in all
    America’s international dealings. We salute the work
    of the U.S. Commission on International Religious
    Freedom and urge special training in religious liberty
    issues for all U.S. diplomatic personnel."

    More against gays:

    "we call upon the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to
    reverse its policy of blacklisting religious groups
    which decline to arrange adoptions by same-sex couples."

    "Abstinence from sexual activity is the only
    protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock
    pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases,
    including HIV/AIDS when transmitted sexually."

    So since gay men can't get married.....we should never have sex?

    "No health care professional —
    doctor, nurse, or pharmacist — or organization
    should ever be required to perform, provide for, or
    refer for a health care service against their conscience
    for any reason. This is especially true of the religious
    organizations"

    The above statement is just scary, so scientologist nurses and dr's don't have to give immunizations, certain religious practitioners would not give blood transfusions, it would never end and it would force others religious views onto patients instead of using sound medical science....as I work in health care, i am passionate about this, I know it refers to contraceptives, and abortion but it covers much more with their wording


    This is what makes me really sad...

    "We oppose, however, the granting of refugee status
    on the basis of lifestyle or other non-political factors"

    If your gay and your country is gonna kill you too bad, if your a christian and your country is gonna kill ya then come on in!
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    Sep 03, 2008 9:47 AM GMT
    The head of the Republican Convention was on NPR and stated that the platform of the convention is far more conservative than even John McCain represents.

    I cannot understand how homocons on this board or out there in the world can vote for Republicans. They say that there are other issues that are more important than gay issues. Without a doubt, there are other issues that are important. How though can one turn a blind eye to the clear bigotry and discrimination that the Republican party represents, particularly when the party and its members focus that bigotry and discrimination against homosexuals?

    I like to show that I don't just vote for gay issues by not voting for the Republican who is gay. The reason for this is that I can find no common ground with Republicans when considering their solutions to problems.

    It appears to me that Republicans use the same two solutions to most issues: tax cuts and deregulation. We've had a lot of tax cuts and a lot of deregulation, but the country is not better for them. The country is falling behind many other countries in the areas of science, mathematics, alternative energy, resource management, and healthcare to name just a few and I believe that the government DOES NEED to be the big gun at times and set the nation on the proper path. Legislatively, the Republicans have had 12 years to do this and have not. The Republicans have had decades of Executive authority (bully pulpit) to do this and have not.

    That said, the blatant bigotry and discrimination against homosexuals coupled with Republican unwillingness to solve problems make the Republicans extremely unattractive and unworthy of my vote.
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    Sep 03, 2008 2:37 PM GMT
    What a great thread....
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    Sep 03, 2008 2:47 PM GMT
    I think it was a lot worse without DADT, they just arrested you and threw you out. Granted it is not the best, but what would it be replaced with if the Republicans were in charge.