Ryan Vows to Fight Gay Marriage

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    Oct 25, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christianity/gop-vp-candidate-paul-ryan-promises-focus-family-he-will-fight-gay-marriage
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    Oct 25, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
    At least one member of the Conservaposse would stand up to Paul Ryan's BIGOTRY:

    CuriousJockAz blasted Mitt Romney for his BIGOTRY too:

    " I have stated many MANY times that I have a problem with Mitt Romney in a variety of areas -- not the least of which is
    THE FACT THAT HE IS AGAINST "CIVIL UNIONS" , which I find perplexing and all kinds of disappointing.

    I was also extremely disappointed that
    HE SIGNED "THE PLEDGE" APPEASING THE FAR RIGHT regarding working towards a constitutional amendment for DOMA. "
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
    Yeah, but are you voting for him?
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:53 AM GMT
    I Believe in individual rights, separation of church and state, the constitution and way less federal government ( We obviously have more government than anyone is willing to pay.) Romney and Obama are running for arrogant king. The 20th century proved that in the long run democracies work better than monarchies. To bad everyone has bought into this strange shift in government . George Washington would not have approved.
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
    Always a fool who screams his foolishness from the rooftops! Oh well, at least I know my enemies!
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    Oct 25, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
    JockTheVote saidAt least one member of the Conservaposse would stand up to Paul Ryan's BIGOTRY:

    CuriousJockAz blasted Mitt Romney for his BIGOTRY too:

    " I have stated many MANY times that I have a problem with Mitt Romney in a variety of areas -- not the least of which is
    THE FACT THAT HE IS AGAINST "CIVIL UNIONS" , which I find perplexing and all kinds of disappointing.

    I was also extremely disappointed that
    HE SIGNED "THE PLEDGE" APPEASING THE FAR RIGHT regarding working towards a constitutional amendment for DOMA. "





    JockTheVote=Catfish
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    Oct 25, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    And he with his tragic case of "gay face". Bet he's sucked his share of cocks to get him where he is.
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    Oct 25, 2012 4:19 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidhttp://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christianity/gop-vp-candidate-paul-ryan-promises-focus-family-he-will-fight-gay-marriage



    Why is this news? We know this already.
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    Oct 25, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    It's kinda sad...I read somewhere in an interview with Ryan that he said he has no problems with gay people...and that he believes being gay isn't a choice...that his gay friends didn't choose to be gay they just were born it and he loves them anyway...

    I just dont understand how you can say you love your gay friends but you dont support their rights....I wonder how his friends handle it, if they are even really his friends
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    Oct 25, 2012 4:58 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidIt's kinda sad...I read somewhere in an interview with Ryan that he said he has no problems with gay people...and that he believes being gay isn't a choice...that his gay friends didn't choose to be gay they just were born it and he loves them anyway...

    I just dont understand how you can say you love your gay friends but you dont support their rights....I wonder how his friends handle it, if they are even really his friends


    That was probably some lie he said just trying to get more votes. Romney/Ryan are like the most anti-gay ticket I've seen.
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    Oct 25, 2012 5:12 AM GMT
    Ryan needs to wake up and smell the Nescafe'

    Gay marriage is becoming legal in more and more states.

    And, quite possibly, it will be legal in the entire United States, within the next 5 to 10 years.
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    Oct 25, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    Why would a LGBTQE vote for ROmney

    Gimme one good reason


    I'll fuck Ryan & deep-throat him if i ever see him in real...SOn of a Bitch
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    Oct 25, 2012 12:02 PM GMT
    ^^
    And if he didn't think anyone would find out about it, he'd probably take you up on your offer...icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 25, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
    The problem with most arguments (... all arguments that I know of) is that they assume that i.) there is an authority on the matter, and ii.) the authority belongs exclusively (and collectively) to heterosexuals.

    Imagine sitting in the Supreme Court room - the feeling could be summed up by saying (as a heterosexual) "Should we give same sex couples the right to marry?" In other words, because the idea of same sex marriage was not conceived with/at the same time as a heterosexual marriage, the act of marriage was presumed to be exclusively a heterosexual consideration. Now social conservatives have taken that and warped it into a position of authority on the matter.

    When someone talks about "the right to marry," you have to think about the basic logic of rights. First, there are positive and negative rights. A positive right means someone has to give you something (these are usually in the form of legal contracts, like sale of land for instance. You sign the contract, you have the right to the land and they have to provide it). A negative right on the other hand means you already have something and have the right to keep it. The right to your own life is an example. The next piece is that for every single right you can think of, there is a corresponding obligation. For the land, the obligation to provide the land. For your right to life, you have the right your life, and members of society have the obligation not to kill you.

    Where I think the arguments against gay marriage fall off the rails is that we invented marriage; a marriage is not fundamental factor or natural result of our existence (like a human life - a life must exist for a human being with rights to exist). Nobody can "owe you a marriage" because nobody has the obligation (morally or philosophically) to perform the marriage. All members of society could, in theory, refuse to perform the marriage and there is nothing you can do. So we know it's not a positive right. On the flip side, you couldn't have always "had a marriage" that the rest of society has the obligation to not take away from you.

    Marriage is a contract between two individuals - historically, a man and a woman. Now, a legal contract gives rise to a positive right BETWEEN THE TWO INDIVIDUALS. They are the only relevant parties to the given marriage. One promises the other to (insert nuptials, and other documents), and vice versa. Each has the obligation to fulfill those promises to the other. A divorce would be a frustrated contract where the terms of the contract (aka, the nature of human relationships) cannot be completed.

    Now picture two men who wish to marry. There is absolutely no reason for there to be any additional parties to the contract other than the two men. The assumed heterosexual (and socially conservative) authority is trying to make itself party to a contract between two people, but it has no benefit of the rights received from one of the men and no obligation to fulfill any terms of the marriage agreement to the other man.

    Has anyone here studied contract or constitutional law? Is there a term for when a contract exists between certain parties, and a group not party to the contract tries to intrude?

    Just to throw some rocks at Mitt Romney, anyone who uses the power of the state and constitution to pry their way into a contract to which they have no benefit of the rights or cost of the obligations is equivalent to communism. Brute state force - I'm Canadian and I'm not familiar with the nuances of the constitution of what grounds are reasonable for impeachment, but to me any successful initial attempt at amending the constitution to allow the state to interfere with a private contract strikes me as a direct abuse of power to discriminate. Are those grounds for impeachment?
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    Oct 25, 2012 12:44 PM GMT
    Hey.....who is Ryan?
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    Oct 25, 2012 1:02 PM GMT
    WELL SAID, maxferguson

    "Now picture two men who wish to marry. There is absolutely no reason for there to be any additional parties to the contract other than the two men. The assumed heterosexual (and socially conservative) authority is trying to make itself party to a contract between two people, but it has no benefit of the rights received from one of the men and no obligation to fulfill any terms of the marriage agreement to the other man. "


    REPUBLICANS WILL LEARN TO RESPECT US......

    ......but only after we defeat them.

    VOTE PRESIDENT OBAMA.
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    Oct 25, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidIt's kinda sad...I read somewhere in an interview with Ryan that he said he has no problems with gay people...and that he believes being gay isn't a choice...that his gay friends didn't choose to be gay they just were born it and he loves them anyway...

    I just dont understand how you can say you love your gay friends but you dont support their rights....I wonder how his friends handle it, if they are even really his friends


    Yeah, sort of like how I don't understand how Obama could run on an anti-gay marriage platform and so many gays voted for him as though he was the messiah...I mean, how could Obama talk so positively about gay people and yet be against us having marriage equality rights?

    Oh, but now he has finally come out in support of gay marriage...


    Now why can't Ryan talk about how he has gay friends and likes gay people but yet believes marriage is between a man and a woman? Well, ask Obama...at least the 2008 Obama.
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    Oct 25, 2012 1:34 PM GMT
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    I'll fuck Ryan & deep-throat him if i ever see him in real...SOn of a Bitch


    Good luck with that
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    Oct 25, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI Believe in individual rights, separation of church and state, the constitution and way less federal government ( We obviously have more government than anyone is willing to pay.) Romney and Obama are running for arrogant king. The 20th century proved that in the long run democracies work better than monarchies. To bad everyone has bought into this strange shift in government . George Washington would not have approved.


    I see we have a so-called constitutional law scholar on board. Where's the I-just-read-some-vomit-inducing-drivel emoticon?
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    Oct 25, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
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    Alpha13 saidI Believe in individual rights, separation of church and state, the constitution and way less federal government ( We obviously have more government than anyone is willing to pay.) Romney and Obama are running for arrogant king. The 20th century proved that in the long run democracies work better than monarchies. To bad everyone has bought into this strange shift in government . George Washington would not have approved.


    I see we have a so-called constitutional law scholar on board. Where's the I-just-read-some-vomit-inducing-drivel emoticon?


    I would say that Alpha13 is pretty well on the money. I can't justify it with examples, but on a subjective basis, Romney seems to carry the attitude that whatever the president in office believes ought to be the law of the land. Whenever he's quizzed on something like gay marriage, he always says " * I * believe marriage between a man and a woman." Him.. he believes that, and if he can get to the top, that's the way he'll try make it. It kind of relates back to what I mentioned about marriage being something we invented. It is a contract between two people, not a right that a state can grant as a whole. The state is holding gays back, but, only because of the falsely assumed exclusive and collective authority of heterosexuals. I think what Alpha13 means is that this assumed majority exists in many issues outside of gay marriage (most issues actually) and when things change, that false "authority" is compelled and self-entitled to rectify it to their liking.
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    Sam_u_el said

    I'll fuck Ryan & deep-throat him if i ever see him in real...SOn of a Bitch


    Good luck with that


    He wouldn't need luck. Ryan loves to suck cock.
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    If only they stayed away from the extreme points of view they'd actually have a chance.
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    oceanboy11 saidIf only they stayed away from the extreme points of view they'd actually have a chance.


    They are actually very moderate compared to what could have been on the ticket.
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    Oct 25, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles saidYeah, sort of like how I don't understand how Obama could run on an anti-gay marriage platform and so many gays voted for him as though he was the messiah...I mean, how could Obama talk so positively about gay people and yet be against us having marriage equality rights?


    It's probably too much to ask, but you should really read up on what defines a political platform. Senator Obama ran on a platform of expanding gay rights, while holding on to a personal opinion that marriage was between a man and a woman.

    The difference? He came out AGAINST Proposition 8 in California. Consistent with his platform. One could also argue that, consistently with the candidate's platform, the Obama Administration saw the largest expansion of gay rights in the history of the United States.

    The problem with Romney and Ryan are not their personal opinions, but their platform. They say, "vote for me, because I will take rights away from gay people, or at least prevent them from getting more."