PALIN (Pt. II) WILL SHE SURVIVE "TROOPER GATE" & PERSONAL ISSUES...... OR COLLAPSE??

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 02, 2008 11:50 AM GMT
    Well the "Grand Old Party" is convening their convention and controversy
    swirls over "trooper gate" and the Palin woman' daughter's pregnancy... in the light of the "new information" now coming available with the trooper issue, will this woman really survive the nomination process? What does this choice really say about the "judgement" process of McCain?


    As I said in part 1, I think her selection was really a stretch and her nomination will be another "Quail selection".. I would have expected her
    nomination to stand... now I'm not so sure.
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    Sep 02, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
    She will not only stay on the ticket but the right wingers will embrace her. How can they not? They rarely turn on their own - it's the secret to their success. Hell, they only kicked out Mark Foley when the evidence was too damning to not. Meanwhile, that toothy preacher is still around - Haggard - as is Larry Craig. Never mind that Palin has sadly through her daughter become an example of do as I say not as I do.

    Jane Smiley wrote a good, if angry, piece about the 'issue' with Palin and her daughter's pregnancy on The Huffington Post today. It really reminded me of how differently so many of us see the world despite the clear accounting of facts.
  • auryn

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    Sep 02, 2008 2:41 PM GMT


    This is hilarious. John McCain vetted her






    ...ass. LOL!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 02, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    She will more than just survive all the hurdles they will need to overcome during the next few months. They knew going in what they were up against and, if anything, the controversy may actually work in their favor.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 02, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidShe will more than just survive all the hurdles they will need to overcome during the next few months. They knew going in what they were up against and, if anything, the controversy may actually work in their favor.


    Well since she will be heading back to AK after the election... I guess it doesn't really matter.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 02, 2008 3:39 PM GMT
    True, she will need to pack to move to Washington, D.C. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:39 PM GMT
    It is not if she will withdraw from the VP position but when. McCain really failed here on vetting the VP choice.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Sep 02, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    She is actually a good pick. She is a great balance for McCain. She has lead a more normal life-not one of privilege. Plus she is as qualified as the unexperienced obama. Very stategic move, they will get all the soccer Mom's back on their side plus pull in the hilary on the fence voters.icon_idea.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 02, 2008 3:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidTrue, she will need to pack to move to Washington, D.C. icon_lol.gif



    What for?
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    I wonder if she'll stick with her "Abstinence Only" stand after this. Yeah, it really works, I see. But sure, these things happen. They do. And I loved how those Republicans at the convention who were interviewed all said that, in essence, and that they will still support her and her daughter. Fine. It made me wonder, though, what if Palin's daughter had told her parents that she was gay! Would she (daughter) have received the same support, understanding, and "that happens" response from the parents and their enamored right-wing supporters. I somehow doubt it.
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:53 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike said Plus she is as qualified as the unexperienced obama.


    From a previous post concerning experience

    Jockbod48 saidThe trash machines were in the streets within minutes to dump on Governor Palin and declare she was not experienced enough to be Vice President, but they still can't explain why Barack Hussein Obama is experienced enough to be President when his resume totally pales in comparison to hers.

    The media doesn't have to explain the intelligence or experience of Barack Obama because it is out there for those who can read ..

    Just one small bit ..
    from Obamapedia

    See link aboveObama's foreign policy experience includes graduating from Columbia University with a degree in political science with an emphasis on international relations. In the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (i.e., NATO). When comparing Obama's foreign policy experience with other candidates for President you have Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Democrat Hillary Clinton who is a member of the Armed Services Committee and John McCain who is the Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee yet there is no Senator except for Barack Obama who serves on three of the four committees that deal with foreign policy.


    Even if you lopped off Obama's political experience, his educational excellence and 12 years teaching Constitutional Law and practicing as a civil rights attorney is more important to me than being a beauty queen and a mayor. You can laugh at the fact that civil rights (for everyone gays included) and the Constitution are important to Obama and the rest of us, but consider that we have a president that doesn't even know or care when he is breaking the Law/Constitution he is sworn to uphold ..
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/opinion/31bamford.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/
    Its time to move on from this illusion and lie that Obama "has no experience" just as we should have already moved on from this lie that Obama is an unpatriotic Muslim, etc save all that garbage for the National Enquirer.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 02, 2008 3:56 PM GMT
    sfinboston saidIt is not if she will withdraw from the VP position but when. McCain really failed here on vetting the VP choice.



    Talk about delusional wishful thinking icon_lol.gif

    Regardless of who McCain picked (and don't kid yourself, you can bet that every candidate considered, including Palin, was thoroughly vetted, probably more so than any time in history) the liberal propaganda machine would have kicked into overdrive tearing down any choice. Palin will come through this just fine.
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    Sep 02, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    She and her daughter are going to be foils for the Abstinence campaign for years...

    First, even with a mother and family like that, the daughter still gets knocked up. How much better wearing a condom would have been.

    Second, this marriage at so young an age is gonna go south and then we will be treated to the spectacle of what happens to the child during a divorce and custody battle.


    ...and think of the guy, Levi....prolly was so smug he was banging the governor's daughter....hahahaha...got more than he bargained for! ....I am sure his family is proud to have this go international. ... icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 02, 2008 4:04 PM GMT
    Caslon6000 saidShe and her daughter are going to be foils for the Abstinence campaign for years...

    First, even with a mother and family like that, the daughter still gets knocked up. How much better wearing a condom would have been.
    You are right Calson, maybe the conservative right can learn some simple wisdom from Obama ( from http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm ):

    Barack ObamaTeach teens about abstinence and also about contraception
    We've actually made progress over the last several years in reducing teen pregnancies, for example. And what I have consistently talked about is to take a comprehensive approach where we focus on abstinence, where we are teaching the sacredness of sexuality to our children.

    But we also recognize the importance of good medical care for women, that we're also recognizing the importance of age-appropriate education to reduce risks. I do believe that contraception has to be part of that education process.

    And if we do those things, then I think that we can reduce abortions and I think we should make sure that adoption is an option for people out there. If we put all of those things in place, then I think we will take some of the edge off the debate.

    We're not going to completely resolve it. At some point, there may just be an irreconcilable difference. And those who are opposed to abortion, I think, should continue to be able to lawfully object and try to change the laws.
    Source: 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 02, 2008 4:44 PM GMT
    I hope the Democrats and some of their supporters rip her apart like the Republicans have done to people like the Clintons, Kerry etc in the past!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 02, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit said

    From a previous post concerning experience

    Jockbod48 saidThe trash machines were in the streets within minutes to dump on Governor Palin and declare she was not experienced enough to be Vice President, but they still can't explain why Barack Hussein Obama is experienced enough to be President when his resume totally pales in comparison to hers.

    The media doesn't have to explain the intelligence or experience of Barack Obama because it is out there for those who can read ..





    I hope Jockbod48 DIDN'T make those comments. Gregg is normally responds in a very grounded manner and that comment is more of an emotional response and lacking in factual basis, especially the comment about Obama's resume "totally pales in comparison to hers". The reality is (politics aside and seriously) both have resumes, are educated people, he more than her... and his experience is different than hers... that doesn't make either "better or worse", but qualifed differently. To call Obama by his middle name and the "pales" comment is a little offensive.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 02, 2008 5:45 PM GMT
    I find it ironic that just because Obama's middle name is "Hussein" it is some how considered politically incorrect to use it. WTF!?

    If he gets elected, that is what will be plastered across the front page headline of every newspaper in the country because they almost always us all three names. Nothing wrong with the middle name "Hussein", but who could miss the utter irony.
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    Sep 02, 2008 5:57 PM GMT
    I DON'T KNOW.

    SURELY USING ALL CAPS WILL HELP.
  • groundcombat

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    Sep 02, 2008 6:07 PM GMT
    The more I read about her, the more I like her, at least as a 21st century American. her position and response to her daughter has been spot on with what you'd expect from the party. She's even been a sportscaster. I love beautiful women who hold their own. Very cool.
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    Sep 02, 2008 6:11 PM GMT
    I like her more and more too. Didn't know what to think at first. Now I'm getting it.
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    Sep 02, 2008 6:26 PM GMT
    She needs to stay at home and tend to all these kids. Wait, I guess she'll just hire an entire staff to do that. She won't have time to be a mother when she's VP... but then again, what does a VP do again?

    I wouldn't be surprised if she takes her own name off the ticket. Then I will really enjoy a good laugh (not that I haven't already!) icon_lol.gif

  • auryn

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    Sep 02, 2008 9:08 PM GMT
    Groundcombat and JockMyka, please share what you're reading. I must not be seeing what you're seeing that will make me comfortable with her as VP and potential President.

    I see that she's tenacious and demands loyalty.

    I certainly hope it's not true that she believes that the Founding Fathers included "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance; that shows ignorance about our nation and that she's definitely not suited to preside over the Senate (which is the VP's job, but she doesn't know that.)

    Perhaps her Conservative stance on certain issues appeals to you? However, she's not for America, having wanted to have her state seceed from the Union. The Iraq war meant little to nothing to her since she was too busy governing her state that she blindly went along with Bush's arrogance, er judgment regarding it.

    Even some "Freepers" are considering this choice as a move equal to Affirmative Action. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2073109/posts

    I thought conservatives were against Affirmative Action.

    (You know I've got to be very interested in this thing if I'm going to freerepublic.com. Besides, we know that this impulse was McCain's way of throwing a tantrum since he couldn't have Lieberman rimming him for the position anymore.)
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 02, 2008 9:14 PM GMT
    Koaa2 said, "I hope the Democrats and some of their supporters rip her apart like the Republicans have done to people like the Clintons, Kerry etc in the past!"


    I think we would mostly prefer to get Republicans to see their faults and to "own their failures", but the more they resist, the more we'll lay it into them. This is their failure. ENOUGH said!
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    Sep 02, 2008 9:26 PM GMT
    Auryn said

    This is hilarious. John McCain vetted her






    ...ass. LOL!


    That video is HILARIOUS....and a tad bit disturbing. Looks at Palin's face when McPrick approaches here. Hahahahaha!
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    Sep 02, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    For all you "circle the wagons" Republicans out there, as well as the delusional among you who think that creationist anti-choice Sarah Palin is going to bring in Hillary's voters, perhaps you haven't seen the latest polls, taken AFTER the Democratic convention and AFTER the nomination of Palin was made public:

    Obama-Biden: up 6 points (Gallup)
    Obama-Biden: up 3 points (Rasmussen)

    And the Rasmussen poll is known to lean Republican in its bias.

    Gallup goes on to note that the net increase in polling numbers comes from--get this--Hillary's supporters.

    So much for Hillary supporters "flocking" to Palin.

    I expect you all will find a way to deny this is happening. I know your psyches require that.