Rep. Jim Moran’s Son and former Campaign Manager: “Forge” Utility Bills to Commit Voter Fraud

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    Oct 27, 2012 1:40 AM GMT
    A criminal investigation is under way.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/rep-jim-morans-son-and-campaign-manager-forge-utility-bills-to-commit-voter-fraud-video-update-rep-morans-son-resigns/

    and

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/criminal-investigation-underway-in-moran-voter-fraud-case/article/2511743#.UIs6JMW-izh
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    Oct 28, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    Meanwhile...

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/24/obama-campaigns-illegal-foreign-donations/
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    Oct 28, 2012 7:34 PM GMT


    Let's see, the father must be bad because his son is. icon_lol.gif

    ..and your second article is full of may be. might have and could be. icon_lol.gif


    However,

    "Mr. Romney left for a trip abroad, where he held fundraisers in London and Israel. According to reports before the events by HuffPo and Washington Post both events were intended for Americans living abroad. But as The Guardian noted Romney decided to completely blockade the Israel event from press, including U.S. press, and the transparency he’d promised around the foreign fundraisers turned into total opacity.
    We don’t actually know who donated what. While Citizens United does say that no foreign cash is allowed to enter elections, it also allows Super PACs to accept money without disclosing donors through a tricky set of loopholes involving a special tax-exempt non-profit filing status. Romney will have to disclose donations to his actual campaign accepted at the foreign fundraisers, but if foreign nationals gave money to Super PACs being run by people in attendance, we’d have no idea. So while Citizens United forbids foreign money, it can’t enforce accountability on the issue. http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/187152/did-romney-disqualify-himself-by-accepting-foreign-cash/."


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    Oct 29, 2012 1:07 PM GMT
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    Let's see, the father must be bad because his son is. icon_lol.gif

    ..and your second article is full of may be. might have and could be. icon_lol.gif


    However,

    "Mr. Romney left for a trip abroad, where he held fundraisers in London and Israel. According to reports before the events by HuffPo and Washington Post both events were intended for Americans living abroad. But as The Guardian noted Romney decided to completely blockade the Israel event from press, including U.S. press, and the transparency he’d promised around the foreign fundraisers turned into total opacity.
    We don’t actually know who donated what. While Citizens United does say that no foreign cash is allowed to enter elections, it also allows Super PACs to accept money without disclosing donors through a tricky set of loopholes involving a special tax-exempt non-profit filing status. Romney will have to disclose donations to his actual campaign accepted at the foreign fundraisers, but if foreign nationals gave money to Super PACs being run by people in attendance, we’d have no idea. So while Citizens United forbids foreign money, it can’t enforce accountability on the issue. http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/187152/did-romney-disqualify-himself-by-accepting-foreign-cash/."




    Ah so your defense is that Romney might do it? And that's far from certain whereas it's quite well established at this point that the Obama campaign allows for contributions to be made from foreign accounts while the Romney campaign does not.

    And as for father and son? No, the point was more that while there are some conspiracy nuts suggesting that the Republicans are attempting to steal elections - including you I might add, the reality is that it's the Democrats who have been caught time and time again trying to cheat. Is it any wonder that there are demands that there be some ID associated with voting?
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:32 PM GMT

    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.


    Hmmm my mistake - mistook one of your postings for one I recently read by metta8. That being said, spin? You do the exact thing you accuse me of - but hypocrisy and ignorance are issues certainly not new to your posts.

    But again, when it comes to spin, who was it again who accused me of trying to say a father was bad because his son was? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/id_please_mr_president_109yUsLDbhFzAhsAl2uUwO

    And a compelling video that surfaced last week, documenting a blatant attempt at voter fraud by a Virginia congressman’s campaign, shows exactly why.

    The video features Democratic Rep. Jim Moran’s son, campaign field director Patrick Moran — who was later forced to resign — coaching someone on how to commit voting fraud.


    Of course there are many Democrats who would claim this never happens... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.

    You clearly intended to generalize quoting an article to imply everyone can do it so it is no big deal. If we look specifically at the campaigns and internet donations, the Obama web site exclusively and deliberately avoids the common checks on internet commerce that McCain and Hillary Clinton did in 2008 and that Romney is doing this year. That basic check is verifying the billing name and address on a credit card. In 2008 New York Post reporters tried the same experiment with McCain and Obama sites using false names and addresses. McCain's site blocked the donation while the Obama site accepted them. Then following the story Post reporters were kicked off the Obama campaign plane.


    OH for Pete's sake, lol. No, it is not OK on either side. Good grief, people. I'm pointing out that it's ridiculous for the pot to call the kettle black.

    Now I've indulged you enough, Mr sock.
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.


    Hmmm my mistake - mistook one of your postings for one I recently read by metta8. That being said, spin? You do the exact thing you accuse me of - but hypocrisy and ignorance are issues certainly not new to your posts.

    But again, when it comes to spin, who was it again who accused me of trying to say a father was bad because his son was? icon_rolleyes.gif


    lol, you're so transparent you'd make a great window. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
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    topathlete said
    meninlove said
    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.

    You clearly intended to generalize quoting an article to imply everyone can do it so it is no big deal. If we look specifically at the campaigns and internet donations, the Obama web site exclusively and deliberately avoids the common checks on internet commerce that McCain and Hillary Clinton did in 2008 and that Romney is doing this year. That basic check is verifying the billing name and address on a credit card. In 2008 New York Post reporters tried the same experiment with McCain and Obama sites using false names and addresses. McCain's site blocked the donation while the Obama site accepted them. Then following the story Post reporters were kicked off the Obama campaign plane.


    OH for Pete's sake, lol. No, it is not OK on either side. Good grief, people. I'm pointing out that it's ridiculous for the pot to call the kettle black.

    Now I've indulged you enough, Mr sock.


    Where is the pot calling the kettle black here? These are direct contributions to the Obama Campaign which you have not been critical of - even though it's a direct violation of campaign finance laws. You have this ridiculous attitude of self importance to think anyone really cares what you indulge in. If you are done indulging, stop indulging - is it really necessary to announce it to the world as if anyone really cares?
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.


    Hmmm my mistake - mistook one of your postings for one I recently read by metta8. That being said, spin? You do the exact thing you accuse me of - but hypocrisy and ignorance are issues certainly not new to your posts.

    But again, when it comes to spin, who was it again who accused me of trying to say a father was bad because his son was? icon_rolleyes.gif


    lol, you're so transparent you'd make a great window. icon_lol.gif


    Says the man who has as much gravitas as a feather icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 29, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    topathlete said
    meninlove said
    Look Riddler, nowhere have I said or mentioned stealing elections, interesting blatant lie, though. icon_lol.gif

    As well, your usual dopey spin on my post which everyone else can read (in case you forgot) is just dopey.

    You clearly intended to generalize quoting an article to imply everyone can do it so it is no big deal. If we look specifically at the campaigns and internet donations, the Obama web site exclusively and deliberately avoids the common checks on internet commerce that McCain and Hillary Clinton did in 2008 and that Romney is doing this year. That basic check is verifying the billing name and address on a credit card. In 2008 New York Post reporters tried the same experiment with McCain and Obama sites using false names and addresses. McCain's site blocked the donation while the Obama site accepted them. Then following the story Post reporters were kicked off the Obama campaign plane.


    OH for Pete's sake, lol. No, it is not OK on either side. Good grief, people. I'm pointing out that it's ridiculous for the pot to call the kettle black.

    Now I've indulged you enough, Mr sock.



    uh i dunno maybe because the guy was on his campaign. I would be with him if he was working for someone else.