To miltary: do you take offense?

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    Oct 27, 2012 4:53 AM GMT
    This is for the people that served in the military.
    So for a halloween thingy at a local club some guy asked if I was in the military
    And said that he took offense to me dressing up in military outfit on Halloween.

    Tbh, this bothered me. Do you guys feel the same way?
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:57 AM GMT
    I wouldn't go as far at to say something, I just think it's a stupid idea. I don't think you realize the amount of hard work that went into earning that title. So it comes off as you mocking the uniform.

    And as a veteran myself, I could probably point out a hundred things that is wrong with your uniform, so that may be the issue he had.

    Don't even get me started on people dressing up as a dead zombie service member. I can see how people could take offense to that. Especially if they knew someone personally who has died in service....
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:59 AM GMT
    I had this same discussion on FB one day about the civilians here in Korea. They wear "variations" of the uniform, with a jacket and military pants, or a military ABU hat with a white tee shirt. The OP excuse was that "they're our allies, etc."

    I just feel that it kind of defaces the military uniform if you are outside "cutting grass" or "painting the fence" in it, while people are dying in it while fighting. Plus, I also felt that I went through a lot to get to the point where I am at today, so it does kind of take away some of the honor and pride when someone is wearing it "for fun."

  • AMoonHawk

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    Oct 27, 2012 5:09 AM GMT
    I'm not military .. but I don't think it would make for a Halloween costume ... it's sort of insulting because they go off and defend our country and go to war and get killed and come back cripple and stuff .... wouldn't you as a gay person find it insulting if someone dressed as a gay man dying of AIDS? ... next time dress as a politician, those jack asses don't do crap

    Edit: consider me weird, but I wont even were camouflage pants or a shirt or anything that could me misinterpreted as military out of respect for those that are in the military ... I never served, so I don't deserve such an honor
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    Long since Ex-military- But yeah, it is stupid and offensive to dress up as fantasy in a military uniform - unless it is Sergeant Pepper, civil war, roman legion, or some other antique uniform. The reason soldiers have uniforms is so that the enemy can tell they are shooting at soldiers instead of civilians, and they can summarily execute any soldier caught not in uniform. These guys put their lives on the line - and not so you can dress up on Halloween.
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:41 AM GMT
    Interesting. I never knew service men took offense.

    I'm curious to know if anyone would be opposed to the "sexy military" (though truthfully, that's redundant!) where the pants are cut short and you get the picture.
  • ATLANTIS7

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    Oct 27, 2012 5:45 AM GMT
    I don't think Military is going to scare anyone so is Haloween not about being scary or am I living on Mars?
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:46 AM GMT
    BodrumBoy saidI don't think Military is going to scare anyone so is Haloween not about being scary or am I living on Mars?

    It is not.
  • mybud

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    Oct 27, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
    bananamilk saidThis is for the people that served in the military.
    So for a halloween thingy at a local club some guy asked if I was in the military
    And said that he took offense to me dressing up in military outfit on Halloween.

    Tbh, this bothered me. Do you guys feel the same way?
    Tell him to fuck off.....serious
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    Got it. Point taken.
    I apologize and I wish I could apologize in person to the
    guy who confronted me about it.

    So, guess that means I'm going to need a new costume for tomorrow.
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
    Go for it. Its halloween, enjoy yourself.
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    bananamilk saidGot it. Point taken.
    I apologize and I wish I could apologize in person to the
    guy who confronted me about it.

    So, guess that means I'm going to need a new costume for tomorrow.

    I wouldn't trash it completely. Tweak it so it isn't just an imitation. Like either make it extremely badass - tear it up, fake blood, put some bad ass scars and put a cigar in your mouth while carrying a mock gun or something.

    ...or just make it sexy.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Oct 27, 2012 5:56 AM GMT
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  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Oct 27, 2012 6:12 AM GMT
    I don't know about veterans or active duty personnel, but I suspect the sentiment applies to (generic) police officer uniforms being utilized by strippers or for Halloween costumes.... though the LEOs I know don't really care one way or another.
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    Oct 27, 2012 6:18 AM GMT
    bananamilk saidThis is for the people that served in the military.
    So for a halloween thingy at a local club some guy asked if I was in the military
    And said that he took offense to me dressing up in military outfit on Halloween.

    Tbh, this bothered me. Do you guys feel the same way?

    To me it's kinda conditional. I can be offended if the theme is demeaning to the military. And when the costume is all fucked up, a mockery of a real uniform. Or when the wearer is basking in an honor he didn't actually earn.

    But on the other hand, isn't that what Hollywood & TV do? There was a lot of resentment during WWII when famous actors managed to pull strings to get flimsy draft deferments, only to appear on screen portraying war heroes, wearing the same uniforms they had worked so hard to avoid in real life. All the while the real heroes were dying for a lot less pay, comfort & recognition than a Hollywood star receives.

    So it's not a new issue. I can accept a uniform party costume if it's done with dignity and reasonable accuracy. In that sense it can even be a compliment.

    Though I've even been reluctant to wear my own genuine uniforms myself, at gay uniform-night club parties, because I feared I would dishonor the uniform I had once been privileged to wear for real.

    So that on balance I think it's better to not do it. If you wanna go as a US Civil War officer, as my late partner once did (with me as his hoop-skirted niece), the distance of time makes it historical, not contemporary. But if you wanna go as a present-day soldier fighting in Afghanistan, well, you better BE a soldier fighting in Afghanistan.
  • Dxyankee

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    Oct 27, 2012 6:25 AM GMT
    I was in the military and its conditional. It its full/authentic uniform, not cool. If its someone trying to look like uniform but clearly its a costume, no.

    In some states, you can technically get a ticket for impersonation by police if dressed in the police or military uniform. It really depends how stupid you are acting and how offended a cop gets...
  • Soldier_Medic

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    Oct 27, 2012 6:43 AM GMT
    It's Halloween so I would not take offense. Any other day would be another story.
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    Oct 27, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    I was talking to the guy who lent me his military vest thingy and told me at the end of the night that he was in the marines. He was cool with it for the most part.


    And I just got walmart camo pants, and an army and navy shirt with guns on em which was obviously not standard. perhaps it was the vest thing that made it real or my camo make up on my face but idk
  • 1blind_dog

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    Oct 27, 2012 8:36 AM GMT
    My bf a few years ago let me borrow an older pair of camo pants and hat that were not longer worn after the digital camp came out. He was fine with me wearing them and he is career military. I wasn't in full uniform and didn't get any bad reactions though I would never do it again because I do agree with the argument against it. Needless to say I'm proud of him for everything he's done. He gets back from Afghanistan in December, his 5th tour of his career.
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    Oct 27, 2012 10:03 AM GMT
    I'm offended by people who pretend to be intelligent..

    It took many years of effort to become intelligent..

    But here we are having a stupid conversation about a fucking costume cause he wanted to look like a military guy for one night in an entire year!

    I mean shit.. That's way to much how dare he do such a thing!



    Heres the moral of the story...

    Grow the hell up, that uniform symbolizes nothing when someones wearing it as a costume. You get to or got to wear it in the line on duty and you have gotten or get all the benefits that comes from doing that. He gets to wear it as a costume and gets nothing outta it but maybe a fun night!
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    Oct 27, 2012 11:07 AM GMT
    I would say it is somewhat disrespectful but then again i also feel you'd have to ask yourself where do you draw the line. Yeah military outfits are demeaning to military personal but what other people are offended by use of their occupation. You'd have to give respect to doctors, police men, firefighters etc. I think it's all okay if it's done in good taste.

    Also this makes me think of the campaign Ohio state students are doing "we're a culture, not a culture" basically saying being any racial stereotype for Halloween is wrong.

    I think ultimately if you don't want step on people toes stick to fictional characters or don't dress up at all bc your likely to upset someone
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    Oct 27, 2012 11:30 AM GMT
    One of the greatest lessons I've learned beating down my ego is: I don't have to take myself so seriously. Humor is a gentle detergent.
  • jeepguySD

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    Oct 27, 2012 12:00 PM GMT
    I do not presume to speak for everyone, but for me, and I think probably for many other service members and many veterans -- especially combat veterans -- a uniform is *not* a costume. Their uniform is a point of pride that represents service, achievement, and very often sacrifice...sometimes in the extreme. Wearing the uniform, especially with stripes, chevrons, devices, medals, etc, is something that is earned, and frequently earned with difficulty.

    So, I think the difference may be that to some, the use of a uniform as a costume suggests that the uniform is nothing more than, well, just a costume. When in fact, for those who have served with honor, pride, and sacrifice, the uniform represents so much more.

  • Buddha

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    Oct 27, 2012 12:07 PM GMT
    Wow, I wonder if Hannibal would take offense if I dressed up like a murderer without being one too (don't take that too seriously). I know you have a lot of pride in your military and nation in the states, so this might come across as insensitive, but a soldier who would tell off someone dressing up like a soldier in Sweden for costume-party would just come off as a weirdo.

    Kinda agree with drj, should you cut off being policemen and firemen too? They die as well, and to be honest I have a lot more respect for policemen and firemen than I do to the military.
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    Oct 27, 2012 12:48 PM GMT
    I'm not offended, as long as your respect the uniform. Don't put on a whole bunch of ribbons you never earned, etc.