What happened to FAMILY VALUES??

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    Sep 03, 2008 2:47 AM GMT
    I am left here scratching my head when good ole' Dan Quail talked about family values a few years back at the RNC. It's odd to me how the conservative right has embraced their new VP selection.

    This would never have been acceptable a few years ago. I mean here's a woman who allows her (minor) daughter to hang with an 18 year old.

    I love how they say they (the kids) were planning to get married anyway.....LOL what 17 year old wants that???

    This is way irresponsible to me and we will trust her with our future diplomats??

    Republicans, also condemn any kind of family values the "alternative" community might like. I mean in terms of gay marriage or adoptions.

    Irriguardless of my stand on these issues. I am (LEFT) crying FOUL!!!
    BTW...I am neither Democrat or Republican......

    What do you think about all this political BS? Kind of makes my stomach churn. Don't we have something more important to talk about....???
  • Barricade

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    Sep 03, 2008 12:26 PM GMT
    As I see it. This is all about positioning Mrs. Pallin in the best possible light to attract more female voters. period.
  • Timbales

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    Sep 03, 2008 12:27 PM GMT
    Isn't popping out a kid the definition of family? icon_wink.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 03, 2008 12:49 PM GMT
    Its an appealing political argument.. whether the right wing lives by their creed is another story.

    The reality is, family and family values are important, in today's world its challenged. Discussion of family warmth, idealism, in todays world does have an appeal.

    Reality may be another story.
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    Sep 03, 2008 1:01 PM GMT
    We are all better off if "Family Values" as they are styled die a permanent death. The hypocrisy is made manifest, the humanity is revealed, and many thousands of people are the happier for it.

    Family is a word we need to reclaim.
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    Sep 03, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    i too am amazed at this. i am not judging the daughter of pallin for her situation as i have several friends and family that have had children out of wedlock at very young ages. What bothers me though, is that you have a party that positions itself as the Christians who are all about good moral behavior. It is this party that works hard to take away rights from people such as gay marriage or gay adoption. It is this party that does not believe in teaching sex ed in schools (what, their kids are not having sex?!?). It is this party that has defined what "family values" means for them, but then it is this party that breaks the rules that they created. It is this party that is tapping their foot in male bathroom stalls or having babies while still babies and so on. If this was a democratic VP we would hear the repubs discuss so and so being a baby mama and how it is so wrong and immoral and innapropriate to have leadership that cant even control their own children. It amazes me how when the situation calls for it, the repubs can sweep things under the rug and make exceptions. HYPOCRISY is all i see and hear.

    We all make mistakes and have life send us on a detour and that is fine, it is nature, it is life, but please dont stand on a platform that condemns others and you are just as guilty. Oh, and can we mention Pallins own shotgun wedding, or the pics of her underage daughter drinking and posing with liquor and beer that are running around the net. We all act up, its jsut funny that the people who scream against it so much, are the ones that seem to have the most issues with it.
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    Sep 03, 2008 2:01 PM GMT
    Family Values are a new concept (20th century roughly) that people feel and claim have been around for ever. Like the scrolling text in the star wars films.

    I just find it funny that it's touted and defended so much when it's completely artificial.

    It would be better if we accepted that and let them die.

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    Sep 03, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
    Oh God, please not this topic...

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    Sep 03, 2008 2:21 PM GMT
    I have always seen the rise of the "family values" movement as a backlash against the perceived permissiveness of the 60's and 70's, and a return to the "Golden Age" of the American family known as the 1950's. Of course reality is always a lot messier then what well-meaning people want it to be. The 1950's were not all that great, and the 1960's and 1970's were not nearly as permissive as they are portrayed to be.

    The GOP's lurch to the Christian right is one of the more disappointing aspects of the American political landscape in the past 30 or so years. It has created a rift between Americans who on the one hand, think that anybody who does not want to conform with their family values is overly permissive and is responsible for all the ills of society, and those who have a more tolerant "live and let" attitude who think the "family values" crew are intolerant, bigoted, right-wing wingnuts.

    Instead of the politics of trying to discuss problems intelligently and coming up with solutions, we now have the politics of divisiveness and name-calling. I think of a Gerry Springer episode when I listen to the political commentators from the right and left now.

    Or another way of looking at it, the US election campaign is like a Dickens novel. Very long and full of entertaining two-dimensional caricatures of real people who engage in low comedy, high tragedy, sentimentality and pathos. As opposed to a Canadian election which is like a Jane Austen novel. Much shorter and more restrained in its' humour and drama.
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    Sep 04, 2008 1:25 AM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidOh God, please not this topic...

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    ....And why not???


    I really can't take all this political garb. I refused to watch or waist time on any of these big conventions. I have seen nothing but hot air over the years from both parties. They pitch a tune and tie up the minds of Americans and still....we are no better off than we were 20 years ago. In fact worse.

    I really do think, however one defines a family....gay people can do it best.

    Yet, we are denied it.....
    dbl. standard...lying, cheating Mutha frickers....

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    Sep 05, 2008 2:07 PM GMT
    AZstreaker said
    SAHEM62896 saidOh God, please not this topic...

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    ....And why not???

    I really can't take all this political garb. I refused to watch or waist time on any of these big conventions. I have seen nothing but hot air over the years from both parties. They pitch a tune and tie up the minds of Americans and still....we are no better off than we were 20 years ago. In fact worse.

    I really do think, however one defines a family....gay people can do it best.

    Yet, we are denied it.....
    dbl. standard...lying, cheating Mutha frickers....




    Precisely why this topic makes me sick... because it is just another piece of conservative rhetoric that gets whipped out every four years to use as a weapon against gay men/lesbians, single/unwed parents, non-WASPs, and so forth... yet even the biggest proponents of it are just as guilty of not living by it.

    That combined with the fact that I, too, am getting increasingly infuriated by the political bantering that is going on here on RJ and elsewhere. There's just no respite from it. Even where I work (on a college campus) there's factioning going on... and school hasn't even been in session a week!

    Don't take it personal, AZstreaker... I'm just agitated in general by the whole thing.
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    Sep 06, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
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    AZstreaker said
    SAHEM62896 saidOh God, please not this topic...

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    ....And why not???

    I really can't take all this political garb. I refused to watch or waist time on any of these big conventions. I have seen nothing but hot air over the years from both parties. They pitch a tune and tie up the minds of Americans and still....we are no better off than we were 20 years ago. In fact worse.

    I really do think, however one defines a family....gay people can do it best.

    Yet, we are denied it.....
    dbl. standard...lying, cheating Mutha frickers....




    Precisely why this topic makes me sick... because it is just another piece of conservative rhetoric that gets whipped out every four years to use as a weapon against gay men/lesbians, single/unwed parents, non-WASPs, and so forth... yet even the biggest proponents of it are just as guilty of not living by it.

    That combined with the fact that I, too, am getting increasingly infuriated by the political bantering that is going on here on RJ and elsewhere. There's just no respite from it. Even where I work (on a college campus) there's factioning going on... and school hasn't even been in session a week!

    Don't take it personal, AZstreaker... I'm just agitated in general by the whole thing.



    Hey I don't!

    I was on a rant these last few days because of all the hype in the media. I lost some of my perspective and deleted all of my political post except this one & one other.

    I have a lot to learn about both parties so I can feel good about who should be the next in the white house.

    The weeks a head...... should/will.... be interesting.

    In the mean time I will take that walk on the beach and reconnect......