Bareback and Drug Parties...the new craze? (revisited even after the AIDS epidemic?)

  • KansasColt09

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    Oct 29, 2012 11:44 PM GMT
    Due to the incredible amount of responses by people who neither read the entire post, nor read any of the discussion below, I have tried to clarify a few things here:

    I met a guy on grindr who wanted to meet up with another guy at his hotel room- I went along with him, and instead of one guy opening the door, we had stumbled into a a sex party, the first one I've ever been to and it was obvious that something was different. Bareback- one bottom, and lots of drugs. Granted, I know that this is something that the gay community has had recurring throughout it's history, however...is no one afraid of HIV anymore? (I know it's not new, fellas...but seems to still be prevalent even after the AIDS crisis) There was no question when we walked in the door...I kept to myself, but was amazed at how laid back and relaxed everyone was about it. It made me uncomfortable which is why I bring up this topic to you.

    Thoughts? With HIV as a major concern in our community and the world, why are people so lax about it? Just because it's not a death sentence anymore does not mean it isn't a life-long malady and a life-changing circumstance.
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    Oct 30, 2012 12:07 AM GMT
    Post-humanist hedonism is ancient and certainly not a "new craze".

    Bareback sex and drug use are personal risk choices. The risks of both are well documented, well distributed, and widely known. Those who make the choice to engage in either or both must know and accept the consequences (which are not glamorous nor pretty).

    Regarding fear of STD infection, I sense that there is less fear of contracting HIV infection. However, worse may be encountering antibiotic resistant gonorrhea, and Hepatitis C.

    Personally, I would advise against choosing to engage in either. However, each person has the freedom to make their own choices. I do not judge.
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    Oct 30, 2012 12:08 AM GMT
    er... I believe that's what they mean when the profile/tag line/IM says "P&P" or "PNP." Nothing new. Actually, I haven't seen it much lately. Or maybe I just don't get invited to that sort of party any more...
  • kevmoran

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    Oct 30, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
    Look up "stealthing" and be even more horrified.
  • tazzari

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    Oct 30, 2012 12:13 AM GMT
    Not here!
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    Oct 30, 2012 12:16 AM GMT
    kevmoran saidLook up "stealthing" and be even more horrified.


    What is???
  • AMoonHawk

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    Oct 30, 2012 12:18 AM GMT
    same problem as has always existed in every community, gay or straight .... drugs and money ... people will do anything for either .... especially when they have hit rock bottom
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    Oct 30, 2012 12:21 AM GMT
    Thanks yourname... I was actually just going to start a thread about 'bugchasing' like are people serious!?
  • KansasColt09

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    Oct 30, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]GAMRican said[/cite]Post-humanist hedonism is ancient and certainly not a "new craze".


    Yes- I am well aware that it has been around forever- I'm talking about drugs like G and Crystal and combining that with bareback sex when it hasn't been too many years since the AIDS epidemic.
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    Oct 30, 2012 1:53 AM GMT
    kevmoran saidLook up "stealthing" and be even more horrified.


    It is a betrayal and therefore evil.
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    Oct 30, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    KansasColt09 said[quote][cite]GAMRican said[/cite]Post-humanist hedonism is ancient and certainly not a "new craze".


    Yes- I am well aware that it has been around forever- I'm talking about drugs like G and Crystal and combining that with bareback sex when it hasn't been too many years since the AIDS epidemic.


    Reiterating my response to your original post:
    Bareback sex and drug use are personal risk choices. The risks of both are well documented, well distributed, and widely known. Those who make the choice to engage in either or both must know and accept the consequences (which are not glamorous nor pretty).


    And,
    Personally, I would advise against choosing to engage in either. However, each person has the freedom to make their own choices. I do not judge.


    The "orange thing on top of the stove" is "orange" for a reason. If we observe person "A" touching the "orange thing" we may see the consequences which result (i.e. possible 3rd degree burns, amputation of the limb, or subsequent death from septic blood infection from gangreen). An observer may choose to learn from the lesson of person "A", or the observer may learn the lesson themselves by touching the "orange thing".

    Drug use and unprotected sex have consequences.

    My final comment on this topic is addressed to the community: Choose to learn from the documented observations of the consequences of others, or learn the consequences first hand. It is your choice.
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    Oct 30, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
    That is...deeply troubling.


    kevmoran saidLook up "stealthing" and be even more horrified.

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    Oct 30, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    I'm finding bareback sex is becoming more prevalent. I'm often looked at strangely when I insist on wrapping it up.

    I've been told HIV is something that really just used to affect my generation, WTF? Sadly, educators need to enlighten students on other communicable STD/viruses, not just HIV.

    I work in Hep C research, which is a virus just as nasty as HIV but because it doesn't receive the same attention or funding as HIV, most know little or care about the virus.
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    Oct 30, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
    I read the thread title.

    Then I clicked to see the OP's profile and check his age.

    Then I LOL'd cause he's way behind. This has been going on since way before I came out of the closet...in 1991.
  • KansasColt09

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    Oct 30, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI read the thread title.

    Then I clicked to see the OP's profile and check his age.

    Then I LOL'd cause he's way behind. This has been going on since way before I came out of the closet...in 1991.


    At the advice of a friend on here, someone who is much more experienced and lived in a different time than I have, did I start the thread. I felt it important to bring up instead of "would you have a threesome with the two guys who posted above you?". Apologies for being young, inexperienced, and finding the need to address an issue that seems to be plaguing our community rather than enhancing it. Bareback sex is dangerous, and I felt like it was more important to discuss. Again, I didn't partake in the drugs or barebacking- was an observation of a new New Yorker who has never been in a situation like this before.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 30, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    Not new, but definitely crazy.icon_eek.gif
  • Medjai

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    Oct 30, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    I don't think people really do get the risks. Just like smoking. People are aware of the risks, and aware of the possible outcomes, but I really don't think people get the risks until they've contracted it.
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    Oct 30, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidBareback sex and drug use are personal risk choices.

    This^^

    Some people may not be into barebacking or drugs but will still knowingly do potentially harmful things to themselves because it gives them a thrill/rush.

    For example, how about smoking? a known cancer causing product legally available? People know that and still do it?

    Another example, a lot of people eat packaged meals containing trans fats. Trans fats have shown to increase a persons risk of heart disease upto 9 times. But yet they consume such foods regularly.

    The list can be endless...
  • Import

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    Oct 30, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    What really had an impact on me....and this may sound lame, but was the Real World, especially the season with Pedro.....

    I remember I was only in the 7th grade when it was out and I didn't even identify as gay that early on, yet I watched Real World religiously. And watched as Pedro's health deteriorated throughout the season. It was scary to see. Sad too.

    I think that really made me very cautuious of barerback sex in general...for fear of ending up like Pedro.... Dying a some-what slow, drawn-out painful death. It was so weird to see. And I didn't quite understand it, yet I knew HIV was nothing to fuck around with. I knew it was transmitted sexually through unprotected sex....that's all I knew. Seeing Pedro struggle and die like that was beyond weird to me.

    Even to this day, when I find out someone is HIV positive I feel sad. Sad that they have to live like that. Though I would never admit it to them, but I think to myself
    -"how can they go on living life like that? Aren't they afraid?"
    -"is it not something that they have to wake up with every single day, for the rest of their life.... doesn't that depress them?"
    -"who would wanna be with them?"
    -"I wonder if they think about dying? I wonder if they think about the affects of the medication?"
    -"I wonder is he goes to sleep at night thinking about his health"


    Not trying to sound mean, but I honestly think those things. Tho, I would NEVER say it around someone who I knew was poz. I would never want them to feel uncomfortable, yet I can't help but feel a bit sad for them. for some reason... I guess cuz their life is that much more precarious... I know we could all die at any moment, but having 1 more added thing to that list seriously makes me think twice about barebacking. I just couldn't fathom hearing a doctor say "you tested positive for HIV". . . it would emotionally fuck me up for good.
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    Oct 30, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    No, not a new craze. Just resurfacing icon_sad.gif
  • FireDoor211

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    Oct 30, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    I find it mortifying that this is something people still do. As entertaining as it can be, it just seems like it's such a gamble. You have no idea what any of those guys have, who they've been with, if they've ever been tested. Sex is great but I know I want to have it for a long time and over the course of a long and mostly healthy life. I couldn't imagine being in this sort of situation.
  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    KansasColt09 saidStumbled into a a sex party by accident with a friend, first one I've ever been to and it was obvious that something was different. Bareback- one bottom, and lots of drugs. Granted, I know that this is something that the gay community has had recurring throughout it's history, however...is no one afraid of HIV anymore? There was no question when we walked in the door...I kept to myself, but was amazed at how laid back and relaxed everyone was about it. It made me uncomfortable which is why I kept to myself.

    Thoughts? With HIV as a major concern in our community and the world, why are people so lax about it? Just because it's not a death sentence anymore does not mean it isn't a life-long malady and a life-changing circumstance.


    I think that it might be pretty safe to assume that they are already HIV+.
  • TheBizMan

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    Oct 30, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    Some men like semen oozing out of their gaping assholes for some reason. icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 30, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
    TheBizMan saidSome men like semen oozing out of their gaping assholes for some reason. icon_confused.gif


    thats a creampie, right?
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    Oct 30, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    People who engage in this kind of behavior are testing one of the quintessential aspects of Darwin's Theory of Evolution...Survival of the Fittest.