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Her line about disabled people and disabled children having a friend in the White House was probably her best moment.
Her comment, "leave this nation better than we found it" line wouldn't take much.....
Her claims of her accomplishments as govenor should be checked... I'm sure we will hear all about it.... and wow, her comments about alternative energy.. first time I've heard that..
Her comments about Obama just seemed cheap....and the comment about Obama not wanting to produce more energy was inaccurate.
And of course her tax commentary was wrong.
By the end of her speech I was thinking about going to bed. Through it all I wondered, if I didn't know where this woman came from politically, what would I think? Would I be impressed? I doubt it. I still heard nothing real for the people who are suffering in this bad economy or anything else concrete.
Maybe we will hear something tomorrow night.... maybe not.
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ok... so she got up and spoke in front of a lot of people. good job, u did speak well. but um, i still know nothing about u, u spent a good amount of time talking about barack, can i know u? and quite frankly, she just seemed upset that her and mccain are not nearly as popular as obama. and although she was composed, i was bored... where was the meat? how are u gonna help those struggling today and how are u and ur ticket gonna ensure that people will be fine 4 or 8 years from now? i heard none of that. and what about those things that you have flip flopped on like the bridge to no where, or the fact that u did raise taxes or that u finished your time as mayor with a deficit in ur city? and then u yell at the media for doing its research. Please.
and isnt it funny that after obama has written 2 books and been on the national scene for 4 years and people still say that they dont know him and what his values are and what he is about, but these people that were interviewed after her speech are saying things like "she is an example of the american dream" and "i feel comfortable with her" yet we all just met her... double standard maybe?
i am not impressed, and would def not want her as my president should she have to step in for mccain.
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I would agree that she was a good speaker, but her tone was very Republican nasty, and she intentionally distorted Obama's record. Not for me, but I think there are enough people that will take her at face value as she a good speaker and pleasant looking.
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Sep 04, 2008 3:50 AM GMT
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I was impressed with her as a speaker. I think she is a very empathetic speaker and some people will be drawn to her.
However, I was disgusted by the same old political rhetoric. Ya, she isn't a member of the Old Boys Club, but she is using the same hateful language of 50%+1 garbage that has made a mess of political life, that turned us into a red state/blue state nation. She made me sick and I am glad she is going to lose in November.
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Maverick/Snarky '08
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ActiveAndFit saidThey did what they do best .. lie ..
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Sep 04, 2008 4:24 AM GMT
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She looks and sounds like Tina Fey, and Gouliani gave a terrible keynote speech.
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 Woohoo a Madonna video. The only thing I like about this particular thread.
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Sep 04, 2008 4:33 AM GMT
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she obviously knew her role was to appeal to the base.
and in doing so she brought out the worst of an already sickening element in her party.
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Well at least as commander and chief of Alaska she understands the complexities of IRAQ .. 1)first it was to get the arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction, 2)then it was to get the 9/11 terrorists, 3)then she says "we are fighting in some sense over energy supplies", ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jnbiHAMuY ) [see time marker 8:04] 4)NOW the Governor has revealed: "our national leaders, are sending (troops) out on a task that is from God." ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html ) Tonight, I thought I also heard her mentioning Georgia/Russia but may have just been having a bad dream. Watch out middle east! watch out Russia! We are on a mission from God! Putin beware .. here comes .. JOAN OF ARC(TIC) Update: Yep, Iran, Russia, Venezuela all in one .. that old familiar war drum is beating! PalinWith Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.
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I have to give credit for her stage presence. That being said..Too the Dems didn't get to pounce on that azz after the RNC. Gulliani really hit an all time low. He is so far right is eye is cocked. He couldn't give any respect to anyone outside his party. How pathetic. Did he even say anything at all positive about anyone? And Lieberman can suck a nut.
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Sep 04, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
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Sarah Palin delivered!
An embattled vice presidential candidate, a novice on the national stage, the head of a family suffering its "ups and downs," the first-term Alaska governor rocked the GOP convention with a star-turning performance.
Within the first few hours after Palin's name was announced, McCain raised $4 million in campaign donations online, reaching $10 million within the next two days.
The media hysterically denounced Palin as "inexperienced." But then people started to notice that she has more executive experience than B. Hussein Obama.
They tried to create a "Troopergate" for Palin, indignantly demanding to know why she wanted to get her ex-brother-in-law removed as a state trouper. (For the record, Palin's ex-brother-in-law had Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson.) Again, public corruption is not a good issue for someone like Obama, Chicago pol and noted friend of Syrian National/convicted felon Antoin Rezko.
Great choice for president, Democrats.
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Sep 04, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
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Sarah Palin was magnificent and I'm in love.
You can bet Obama & Biden are worried. They can't compete with a mother holding her baby. I can hear the rush of women voters moving toward McCain/Palin; I'm already there.
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Sep 04, 2008 5:08 AM GMT
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Jockbod48 said
They tried to create a "Troopergate" for Palin, indignantly demanding to know why she wanted to get her ex-brother-in-law removed as a state trouper. (For the record, Palin's ex-brother-in-law had Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson.) Again, public corruption is not a good issue for someone like Obama, Chicago pol and noted friend of syrian National/convicted felon Antoin Rezko.
Great choice for president, Democrats. well, you know the FBI is investigating her as well? It isn't just a bunch of liberal cranks. And stop with the Hussein thing. It is childish. |
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MunchingZombie saidJockbod48 said
They tried to create a "Troopergate" for Palin, indignantly demanding to know why she wanted to get her ex-brother-in-law removed as a state trouper. (For the record, Palin's ex-brother-in-law had Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson.) Again, public corruption is not a good issue for someone like Obama, Chicago pol and noted friend of syrian National/convicted felon Antoin Rezko.
Great choice for president, Democrats.
well, you know the FBI is investigating her as well? It isn't just a bunch of liberal cranks.
And stop with the Hussein thing. It is childish. Actually, the RNC chastised the Tennessee Republicans for using the H word. It's a thinly veiled scare tactic designed to associate Obama with false rumors that he's a Muslim...as if that matters, anyway. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/28/rnc-denounces-use-of-hussein-in-obamas-name/ |
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I saw most of her speech tonight and at the end of it was impressed. I think she still has a lot of explaining to win the middle crowd over, but her delivery tonight has started her off well. As a political moderate myself, I find it hard to vote in this sort of a scenario where I believe both candidates are good people. When Obama announced Biden to be his VP pick, my rating of him shot way up since I consider Biden a very experienced and conscionable person. Palin, I do not know much about at all. To borrow a concept that has probably been used by her tonight, speeches are one thing but actions speak louder and so I guess I will be waiting and watching her in the weeks to come.
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Auryn saidI've listened and read the transcript.
Mylanta that was torture. I expected better, really. She had some good zingers, but so much misinformation and outright lies. I really expected better. Who edited and/or wrote that for her?
By the way, AP shocked me with this:
Associated Press Writer: Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention Hey, could you post a link to the transcript? Also, that AP story is the same one ActiveAndFit posted, earlier. It's an excellent read! |
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GobB saidok... so she got up and spoke in front of a lot of people. good job, u did speak well. but um, i still know nothing about u, u spent a good amount of time talking about barack, can i know u? and quite frankly, she just seemed upset that her and mccain are not nearly as popular as obama. and although she was composed, i was bored... where was the meat? how are u gonna help those struggling today and how are u and ur ticket gonna ensure that people will be fine 4 or 8 years from now? i heard none of that. and what about those things that you have flip flopped on like the bridge to no where, or the fact that u did raise taxes or that u finished your time as mayor with a deficit in ur city? and then u yell at the media for doing its research. Please.
and isnt it funny that after obama has written 2 books and been on the national scene for 4 years and people still say that they dont know him and what his values are and what he is about, but these people that were interviewed after her speech are saying things like "she is an example of the american dream" and "i feel comfortable with her" yet we all just met her... double standard maybe?
i am not impressed, and would def not want her as my president should she have to step in for mccain.
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Active you forgot we brought them "FREEDOM" you can not give anybody freedom they have to earen it liek that stupie comment fro m Hucklebee
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Her speech was better than Obama the wind-bag! Thank God for real women. I can't wait to hear all of the pissy B.S. once you guys LOOSE the easiest election in recent memory for the Dems. Here's a precursor, THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN !!  |
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MCCAIN/PALIN 08" !!!!!
bye,bye..Obama.....don't let the door hit you on the way out . Don't forget the plastic Greek styro-foam columns and the hollyood loonies
best lines of the night...........
"Obama uses change to promote his career, McCain uses his career to promote change"....Palin
"It's easy to forget that this is a man (Obama) who has authored two memoirs, but not a single major law or reform, not even in the state Senate"...Palin
"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word 'victory' except when he's talking about his own campaign."...Palin
"He's (Obama) never run a city, never run a state, never run a business, never run a military unit. He's never had to lead people in crisis...Rudy
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I was on the phone with my Mom tonight who was anxiously waiting to hear Ms. Palin speak - of course I told her how I was so against her and why and my Mother said that I was just too politically intense for her - and besides she hadn't decided who to vote for.
After the conversation I decided the only way I can make a difference in this election is to let my voice be heard - by people who know and respect me. (sorry - bashing each other on the RJ forums won't do squat!).
I'm going to let everyone that I know that if they vote for McCain and Palin that they personally are "putting me on the back of the bus" and really do they think that my rights are less then theirs? With McCain and Palin I will have no rights (although still paying the same taxes) - WTF!!!!
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Sep 04, 2008 6:31 AM GMT
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I think it is disgusting that the media has been focusing on Palin and her family.
I think it is disgusting that Palin appeared on stage with her entire family.
I think everything is disgusting oh dear please god do not notice all the scandal. Please don't notice my husband and I have belonged to and still have relations with a political organization that hates the American government. Please don't notice the FBI investigation. Please don't notice the Abramoff connection. Please god don't notice the legitimate scandal. Here is my baby!
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ruck_us saidAuryn saidI've listened and read the transcript.
Mylanta that was torture. I expected better, really. She had some good zingers, but so much misinformation and outright lies. I really expected better. Who edited and/or wrote that for her?
By the way, AP shocked me with this:
Associated Press Writer: Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention
Hey, could you post a link to the transcript?
Also, that AP story is the same one ActiveAndFit posted, earlier. It's an excellent read! Hmm..I was rather skeptical about Huckabee's comment about her getting more votes as mayor than Biden for President. |
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i think it is funny that people say she does not have much experience. Compared to whom? Hillary's and Obama's combined 6 year senate experience? hahah
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Alpha13 saidi think it is funny that people say she does not have much experience. Compared to whom? Hillary's and Obama's combined 6 year senate experience? hahah Actually Obama has served in state senate from 1997–2004 and U.S. Senate from 2004 till present which altogether is 10 years. That is more than 5x Palin's 20 months experience as Governor. Obama also taught constitutional law and was a civil rights attorney over a 12 year period also. Of course Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002. |
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Her comments about Obama just seemed cheap....and the comment about Obama not wanting to produce more energy was inaccurate.
Well, I heard enough cheap shots and innaccuracies in Obama's "McCain will follow Bin Laden to the gates of Hell, but not to his cave in Pakistan" speech last week to last me a lifetime. Favorite line of the night: "The difference between a Hockey Mom and a Pitbull --- Lipstick!" --  That was a line Hillary Clinton could NEVER pull off! MunchingZombie saidJockbod48 said
They tried to create a "Troopergate" for Palin, indignantly demanding to know why she wanted to get her ex-brother-in-law removed as a state trouper. (For the record, Palin's ex-brother-in-law had Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson.) Again, public corruption is not a good issue for someone like Obama, Chicago pol and noted friend of syrian National/convicted felon Antoin Rezko.
Great choice for president, Democrats.
well, you know the FBI is investigating her as well? It isn't just a bunch of liberal cranks.
And stop with the Hussein thing. It is childish. I don't get it..."William Jefferson Clinton" or "George Herbert Walker Bush" is acceptable, but dare say "Barack Hussein Obama" and you are being "childish". WTF? justmepdx saidI was on the phone with my Mom tonight who was anxiously waiting to hear Ms. Palin speak - of course I told her how I was so against her and why and my Mother said that I was just too politically intense for her - and besides she hadn't decided who to vote for.
After the conversation I decided the only way I can make a difference in this election is to let my voice be heard - by people who know and respect me. (sorry - bashing each other on the RJ forums won't do squat!).
I'm going to let everyone that I know that if they vote for McCain and Palin that they personally are "putting me on the back of the bus" and really do they think that my rights are less then theirs? With McCain and Palin I will have no rights (although still paying the same taxes) - WTF!!!! Another victim...poor thing |
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CuriousJockAZ said I don't get it..."William Jefferson Clinton" or "George Herbert Walker Bush" is acceptable, but dare say "Barack Hussein Obama" and you are being "childish". WTF? Sure, and while you're at it, why not refer to him as "the half-black sort-of-Muslim B. HUSSEIN Obama"? I mean, wouldn't that just cut to the chase for you? You are too smart not to know why that's childish. |
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She's a great speaker and very pretty. I disagree with almost all of her social policies. I feel if she made it to the presidency she would be one of the most divisive presidents in recent history.
I'm curious to hear more about tax increases credited to her, the brdge to nowhere flip flop, remarks she made while addressing "Jews for Jesus" and our troops in the middle east being on a mission for God.......?
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Sep 04, 2008 10:49 AM GMT
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I thought she was very scary. She wil NEVER unite your country.
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Sep 04, 2008 11:01 AM GMT
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ActiveAndFit saidThey did what they do best .. lie ..
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Sep 04, 2008 12:05 PM GMT
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Sep 04, 2008 12:08 PM GMT
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Jockbod48 said
The media hysterically denounced Palin as "inexperienced." But then people started to notice that she has more executive experience than B. Hussein Obama.
The Hussein comment is really a little tacky, I'm tired of that.. and its what this woman didn't say that bothers me more. She said very little that I found important. |
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Sep 04, 2008 12:13 PM GMT
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Favorite line of the night: "The difference between a Hockey Mom and a Pitbull --- Lipstick!" --
That was a line Hillary Clinton could NEVER pull off!
I think Hillary could more than pull off the line.. but who cares about the line, I'm interested in substance.
I don't get it..."William Jefferson Clinton" or "George Herbert Walker Bush" is acceptable, but dare say "Barack Hussein Obama" and you are being "childish". WTF?
Come on Todd, your bright. You know "Hussein" has a variety of meanings to various people, I think "Jefferson" is totally different. |
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Palin is a disaster. The over-the-top sarcasm was equaled to Howard Dean's one and only YEEEEEE-HAAAW!!!! from the 2004 campaign.
It's Over!!!
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I fortunately missed her speach, I was too busy showing my Mom some of my old pictures on MySpace which delighted her no end (she is much more entertaining to listen to then a politician).
I really don't see much changing in the US from either party, external forces such as high energy prices, a ballooning deficit and a weakening economy will eventually push either the packiderms or the mules into a corner.
They will have to abandon the innane and childish mud-slinging and actually start trying to deal with the real problems facing the USA. Question is how tough will the medicine be? The longer they wait the more toxic the solutions.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/ap-attacks-praise-stretch_n_123771.htmlInteresting to compare what she said to what is actually the truth.. Her coming out party to the national media and already she is lying. I am not sure I am seeing a fresh voice in politics anywhere. I think everyone is hoping for an Erin Brocovich moment here but electing someone you want to be neighbors or friends with hasn't always proved to be the smartest move.
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USMmmm saidSarah Palin was magnificent and I'm in love.
You can bet Obama & Biden are worried. They can't compete with a mother holding her baby. I can hear the rush of women voters moving toward McCain/Palin; I'm already there. She was magnificnt and you are in love because she got up there and lied, was divisive, and expressed how she with john mccain planned to unite the country and bring relief to those suffering from the mortgage crisis, the energy crisis and a troop withdrawl from iraq, amongst other things such as the leaving of jobs from america to other countries or the fact the incomes for families continue to fall as well as how people will be able to go to school or get a needed loan or pay for rising food? You are in love because she got up there and flip flopped on things such as taxes which she has raised, or the fact that she didnt initially turn her back on the road to no where or that she really did leave her little town that she was the mayor of in debt which had the equvilent to 3000 dollars per resident. you are in love with her because she initially was not a mccain supporter and stayed neutral in the beginning of his primary or that (i could be wrong) but thought i read that she initially supported obamas energy plan. O i get it, i see why u are in love with her. crystal clear to me. it is just so funny that people are so ready to run to her and this is a person u really know nothing about. i mean, the majority of people couldnt tell you her name this time last week and all of a sudden we are ready to put her in a position that could have her being the leader of the free world? Yet we "still dont quite know barack obama" or "what he stands for"? this woman got up and acted disgustingly. yes she put on a great show, but that was it, a show. i cant wait for the debates when biden tears her up. LIARS is what they are, and America needs to think very long and hard before they make such a hasty decision. She siad nothing of substance, just threw insults at Obama and lied about his record and his plans. That was not attractive. People tend to do that when they really dont have a plan. America... THINK and CHOOSE correctly. even her own pundits dont like her. get a clue and realize like bush raising those terror levels and bringing up gay marriage as in issue in 04 to divert us through fear, that is what this is, a diversion. Be Smart. |
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She started out fine. It crossed a line from self-deprecating to snarky and sarcastic fairly early on for me. Other than promising to help families with special needs children, I didn't hear any substance.
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nycusa05 saidMCCAIN/PALIN 08" !!!!!
bye,bye..Obama.....don't let the door hit you on the way out . Don't forget the plastic Greek styro-foam columns and the hollyood loonies
best lines of the night...........
"Obama uses change to promote his career, McCain uses his career to promote change"....Palin
"It's easy to forget that this is a man (Obama) who has authored two memoirs, but not a single major law or reform, not even in the state Senate"...Palin
"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word 'victory' except when he's talking about his own campaign."...Palin
"He's (Obama) never run a city, never run a state, never run a business, never run a military unit. He's never had to lead people in crisis...Rudy You made some very valid points, well said. |
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FRIGHTENING! this lunatic woman who is pro gun, pro abstinence, anti abortion and pro creationism being taught alongside science! (imaginary) god help us all! i bet she just loves 'the gays'! i can just imagine the scene when young levi 'volunteered' to marry up the duff bristol to keep everything nice. |
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The experience argument isn't really a good point, IMO. The only person with experience to be president is a second term president and as has been shown and alluded to by both current presidential campaigns, that experience has left us "worse off than we were 4 years ago" (from the McCain ad most recently run in the Northeast U.S. If we want to be safe, let's just give McCain a post as head of the FAA. He only crashed 5 planes during his naval tenure. That's gotta count for something.
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jprichva saidCuriousJockAZ said I don't get it..."William Jefferson Clinton" or "George Herbert Walker Bush" is acceptable, but dare say "Barack Hussein Obama" and you are being "childish". WTF?
Sure, and while you're at it, why not refer to him as "the half-black sort-of-Muslim B. HUSSEIN Obama"? I mean, wouldn't that just cut to the chase for you?
You are too smart not to know why that's childish. Sorry, but I think it's just plain wrong that we have to not mention Barack's middle name of all things because people will be offended. That's just nuts! I get WHY they are offended, but his name is HIS name . |
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At least get your facts correct, Alpha. Hillary is finishing her 8th year in the Senate and Obama has been a senator for four years.
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MikemikeMike saidnycusa05 saidMCCAIN/PALIN 08" !!!!!
bye,bye..Obama.....don't let the door hit you on the way out . Don't forget the plastic Greek styro-foam columns and the hollyood loonies
best lines of the night...........
"Obama uses change to promote his career, McCain uses his career to promote change"....Palin
"It's easy to forget that this is a man (Obama) who has authored two memoirs, but not a single major law or reform, not even in the state Senate"...Palin
"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word 'victory' except when he's talking about his own campaign."...Palin
"He's (Obama) never run a city, never run a state, never run a business, never run a military unit. He's never had to lead people in crisis...Rudy
You made some very valid points, well said. unfortunately, both of u need to research a little more rather than just accept what was fed to u last nite because several of her "valid points", both on her record and obamas were not so "valid". But of course you would know that if u read or listened closelt to both sides. |
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MikemikeMike saidAlpha13 saidi think it is funny that people say she does not have much experience. Compared to whom? Hillary's and Obama's combined 6 year senate experience? hahah Another good point! Bad point. In fact pretty much along the same lying tendency as Palin. Maybe they both get their intelligence from Bush guys who bought us imaginary Weapons of Mass Destruction .. Alpha13 saidi think it is funny that people say she does not have much experience. Compared to whom? Hillary's and Obama's combined 6 year senate experience? hahah Actually Obama has served in state senate from 1997–2004 and U.S. Senate from 2004 till present which altogether is 10 years. That is more than 5x Palin's 20 months experience as Governor. Obama also taught constitutional law and was a civil rights attorney over a 12 year period also. Of course Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002. |
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ActiveAndFit saidMikemikeMike saidAlpha13 saidi think it is funny that people say she does not have much experience. Compared to whom? Hillary's and Obama's combined 6 year senate experience? hahah
Another good point!
Bad point. In fact pretty much along the same lying tendency as Palin. Maybe they both get their intelligence from Bush guys who bought us imaginary Weapons of Mass Destruction ..
Alpha13 saidi think it is funny that people say she does not have much experience. Compared to whom? Hillary's and Obama's combined 6 year senate experience? hahah Actually Obama has served in state senate from 1997–2004 and U.S. Senate from 2004 till present which altogether is 10 years. That is more than 5x Palin's 20 months experience as Governor.
Obama also taught constitutional law and was a civil rights attorney over a 12 year period also.
Of course Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002. Thank u thank u thank u activeandfit...as i stated right above u, read people, jsut dont believe what is fed to u thru the tube! |
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Another good point! By the way since you apparently are not aware... Hillary is in her 2nd term as a NY Senator she was elected in 2000 and reelected in 2006, the same time this Palin woman was elected govenor. I haven't heard any good points yet. The idea of comparing the experience of Biden or Hillary to this woman is imaginary.... and I still hold that her 20 months of experience as govenor simply "put her on the map". Where would she be if she never got elected govenor? |
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Sep 04, 2008 3:08 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidjprichva saidCuriousJockAZ said I don't get it..."William Jefferson Clinton" or "George Herbert Walker Bush" is acceptable, but dare say "Barack Hussein Obama" and you are being "childish". WTF?
Sure, and while you're at it, why not refer to him as "the half-black sort-of-Muslim B. HUSSEIN Obama"? I mean, wouldn't that just cut to the chase for you?
You are too smart not to know why that's childish.
Sorry, but I think it's just plain wrong that we have to not mention Barack's middle name of all things because people will be offended. That's just nuts! I get WHY they are offended, but his name is HIS name . because its used as a scare tactic and it inappropriate. stop acting like u dont know. what is sarah palins middle name, or what is fred thompsons, or mitt romney or john mccains or george washingtons or abe lincolns or ronald reagans and hurry, tell me now, dont go to wiki to look it up. Thanks, |
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Sep 04, 2008 3:17 PM GMT
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allgoodinhwood saidShe started out fine. It crossed a line from self-deprecating to snarky and sarcastic fairly early on for me. Other than promising to help families with special needs children, I didn't hear any substance. I think a lot of you are missing the whole point of Gov. Palin's speech last night. It was designed, as it needed to be, to be more about introducing her to America, giving some background, and showing her as a capable, knowledgeable, and strong woman. It was her first real introduction to many who knew nothing about her or who had never even heard of her. In that respect, by an extremely large percentage of reactions across the board in the press this morning and last night, she hit a grand slam. It's McCain's job tonight to lay out what he will do in more specific terms. |
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Sep 04, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
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still waiting for that answer curious...
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Sep 04, 2008 3:20 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidallgoodinhwood saidShe started out fine. It crossed a line from self-deprecating to snarky and sarcastic fairly early on for me. Other than promising to help families with special needs children, I didn't hear any substance.
I think a lot of you are missing the whole point of Gov. Palin's speech last night. It was designed, as it needed to be, More like it was designed to follow the previous administrations policy, and lie, lie, lie and deceive the American public. |
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Sep 04, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
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GobB said
because its used as a scare tactic and it inappropriate. stop acting like u dont know. what is sarah palins middle name, or what is fred thompsons, or mitt romney or john mccains or george washingtons or abe lincolns or ronald reagans and hurry, tell me now, dont go to wiki to look it up.
Thanks, I don't need to run to wiki to look up many U.S. Presidents full names that are well known and used all the time from Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and Lyndon Baines Johnson, to Richard Milhous Nixon, Ronald Wilson Reagan, and George Walker Bush. But because the dems have put up Barack Hussein Obama, people are expected to not use "the name that shall not be named" because it's "a scare tactic and inappropriate". The man may be the next President of the United States, but we can't use his full name because THAT would be inappropriate and might scare people |
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Sep 04, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidI don't need to run to wiki to look up many U.S. Presidents full names that are well known and used all the time from Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and Lyndon Baines Johnson, to Richard Milhous Nixon, Ronald Wilson Reagan, and George Walker Bush. But because the dems have put up Barack Hussein Obama, people are expected to not use "the name that shall not be named" because it's "a scare tactic and inappropriate". You google pretty quick there .. and you keep failing to acknowledge that your own party has decried the "use" of Obama's name the way you do: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/28/tennessee.gop/index.html WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan formally denounced on Thursday the Tennessee Republican Party's use of Barack Obama's full name in a recent news release questioning the Illinois senator's commitment to Israel.
"The RNC rejects these kinds of campaign tactics," Duncan said in a statement. "We believe this election needs to be about the critical issues confronting our nation." They probably realize they don't want to be correlated to white supremacist who also like using his name like that .. From the comments on an article about white supremacist: http://fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/obama-the-white-supremacist-backlash/Hussein Obama (bin Laden) is not the name of the leader we want to protect America from Muslim fanatics. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
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ActiveAndFit saidCuriousJockAZ saidI don't need to run to wiki to look up many U.S. Presidents full names that are well known and used all the time from Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and Lyndon Baines Johnson, to Richard Milhous Nixon, Ronald Wilson Reagan, and George Walker Bush. But because the dems have put up Barack Hussein Obama, people are expected to not use "the name that shall not be named" because it's "a scare tactic and inappropriate". You google pretty quick there .. and you keep failing to acknowledge that your own party has decried the "use" of Obama's name the way you do:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/28/tennessee.gop/index.html WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan formally denounced on Thursday the Tennessee Republican Party's use of Barack Obama's full name in a recent news release questioning the Illinois senator's commitment to Israel.
"The RNC rejects these kinds of campaign tactics," Duncan said in a statement. "We believe this election needs to be about the critical issues confronting our nation."
They probably realize they don't want to be correlated to white supremacist who also like using his name like that ..
From the comments on an article about white supremacist:
http://fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/obama-the-white-supremacist-backlash/Hussein Obama (bin Laden) is not the name of the leader we want to protect America from Muslim fanatics.
This is blatant religious and ethnic discrimination at its worst. Innocuous middle names like Fitzgerald, Wilson and Milhous don't carry the same negative connotations that, in post-9/11 America, Hussein does. That could all change if some Dahmer-esque serial killer comes along with a name like Baines or Walker. I think you get my drift. I am frankly disgusted with gay men, of all people, who propagate this kind of tacky and demeaning propaganda. Not only would a McCain/Palin ticket advocate for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, they would further W's agenda to morph the US into a narrowly defined Christian theocracy. This is NOT the same Christianity that Obama practices, by any stretch of the imagination. It is mean-spirited, divisive and unforgiving. By the way, as Hillary supporter during the primaries, I had been on the fence regarding McCain until this week. Prior to the Palin nomination, I had a fairly favorable opinion of McCain, but it's now clear that he's just another pandering politician -- not the maverick they make him out to be. On what other issues is he going to capitulate to gain political favor? Go ahead and vote for McCain/Palin, if you're so inclined. The pejorative, misleading and demeaning rhetoric needs to stop, here and now. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
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dudeswithbeards saidCuriousJockAZ saidallgoodinhwood saidShe started out fine. It crossed a line from self-deprecating to snarky and sarcastic fairly early on for me. Other than promising to help families with special needs children, I didn't hear any substance.
I think a lot of you are missing the whole point of Gov. Palin's speech last night. It was designed, as it needed to be, to be more about introducing her to America, giving some background, and showing her as a capable, knowledgeable, and strong woman. It was her first real introduction to many who knew nothing about her or who had never even heard of her. In that respect, by an extremely large percentage of reactions across the board in the press this morning and last night, she hit a grand slam. It's McCain's job tonight to lay out what he will do in more specific terms.
LOL... as if americans should trust what politicians say about themselves.. americans should be more pro-active and think for themselves. find out how fiscally conservative she really was in wasilla and in the state of alaska...
what was left out of the speech..the fact that she left wasilla in $20,000,000.00 in debt and that she is spending $95,000.00 of alaskan taxpayer money to hire a private attorney and what i am afraid, is etc etc etc... silly gay republicans.. you vote republicans mostly for fiscal conservatism.. and yet you are going to vote for a war-mongering neoconservative and a big spending social conservative.. they will do what the last pair like that has done.. left our country trillions of dollars in debt... still sound like a smart decision to you? I think I just had an orgasm. LOL joy! (Edit):CuriousJockAZ, I agree with what you said except for the part that she hit a grand slam. I know that those are the reactions of many in the press, as you point out. I'll give her this: she got on base for sure and maybe stole second, but it was no grand slam or even a home run --unless the press were watching a tee ball game. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
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ruck_us said
Not only would a McCain/Palin ticket advocate for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, they would further W's agenda to morph the US into a narrowly defined Christian theocracy. This is NOT the same Christianity that Obama practices, by any stretch of the imagination. It is mean-spirited, divisive and unforgiving.
Oh, would the Christianity that Obama practices be the same one where at the church he attended for 20 years the minister's sermon contained "God DAMN AMERICA"? That Christianity??? Doesn't sound mean-spirited, divisive, or unforgiving to me As for the McCain/Palin ticket advocating a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidI don't get it..."William Jefferson Clinton" or "George Herbert Walker Bush" is acceptable, but dare say "Barack Hussein Obama" and you are being "childish". WTF? You are a smart guy, but don't be simple. You know exactly why Obama's detractors emphasize his middle name. The poster I was replying to called him B. Hussein Obama. No one calls our current G. Walker Bush. THe goal is obvious, and it is childish. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
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And McCain recently stated that he feels that people should back Proposition 8 in California that would amend the constitution to take away the right of gays and lesbians to marry. That's not leaving it up to the states -- it's calling on people to continue to discriminate.
Leaving it up to the states is always fine with them until it's actually up for a vote and then they come down against it. At least Schwarzenegger finally has said to leave well enough alone and that he doesn't support Prop 8.
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Sep 04, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidAs for the McCain/Palin ticket advocating a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states. Yeah, left up to the State of California to try to ban it .. http://www.mercurynews.com/elections/ci_9773612John McCain's support for the initiative to ban gay marriage in California - Proposition 8 - was predictable, |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:40 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidGobB said
because its used as a scare tactic and it inappropriate. stop acting like u dont know. what is sarah palins middle name, or what is fred thompsons, or mitt romney or john mccains or george washingtons or abe lincolns or ronald reagans and hurry, tell me now, dont go to wiki to look it up.
Thanks,
I don't need to run to wiki to look up many U.S. Presidents full names that are well known and used all the time from Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and Lyndon Baines Johnson, to Richard Milhous Nixon, Ronald Wilson Reagan, and George Walker Bush. But because the dems have put up Barack Hussein Obama, people are expected to not use "the name that shall not be named" because it's "a scare tactic and inappropriate". The man may be the next President of the United States, but we can't use his full name because THAT would be inappropriate and might scare people thats nice, but none of those people are the ones i asked about. my point being, we know them because they WERE presidents, but lets talk about those presidential nominees, like edwards or the ones i listed above. the only one that had her name fully mentioned was hrc, the rest, they are not throwing their names around. again, romney, mccain, edwards, thompson, i dont hear nor did i hear their middle names being used. as president i understand his name, full name being used, but as a nominee its a scare tactic to help keep him fromt he white house. clearly u see this as again u mentioned none iof the names i listed and mentioned all presidents,. but none of the people who were running for president. why because their middle names are not on display. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidruck_us said
Not only would a McCain/Palin ticket advocate for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, they would further W's agenda to morph the US into a narrowly defined Christian theocracy. This is NOT the same Christianity that Obama practices, by any stretch of the imagination. It is mean-spirited, divisive and unforgiving.
Oh, would the Christianity that Obama practices be the same one where at the church he attended for 20 years the minister's sermon contained "God DAMN AMERICA"? That Christianity??? Doesn't sound mean-spirited, divisive, or unforgiving to me
As for the McCain/Palin ticket advocating a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states. As you well know, Obama has disassociated himself with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Nowhere have I heard Obama utter anything that comes close to the vile rhetoric that Wright occasionally spews from his pulpit. Wright's vitriol is no better than the putrescence coming from the Republicans, this election cycle. Before the neocon revolution, the Democratic party WAS the party of the Christian mainstream. The Republicans have co-opted their messages of moral and social responsibility, but instead of using influence and persuasion, they are advocating the use of force (i.e., policy and law) to impose a particular worldview upon Americans. So much for a pluralistic society that respects all relgions and ethnic groups. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:45 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidruck_us said
Not only would a McCain/Palin ticket advocate for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, they would further W's agenda to morph the US into a narrowly defined Christian theocracy. This is NOT the same Christianity that Obama practices, by any stretch of the imagination. It is mean-spirited, divisive and unforgiving.
Oh, would the Christianity that Obama practices be the same one where at the church he attended for 20 years the minister's sermon contained "God DAMN AMERICA"? That Christianity??? Doesn't sound mean-spirited, divisive, or unforgiving to me
As for the McCain/Palin ticket advocating a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states. and i dont mean to always reply to ur posts so eagerly but u make it so easy. how about u look at the sermon in its context and not from the small snippets that were shown so u understand what that man was saying and understand that he is not an american hater but a man that was speaking out about injustices. and lets keep in mind he too is a war hero so he is jsut as patriotic and in a country of free speech he is allowed to speak his mind.. it is not appealing to read an argument when the person making the argument argues without all of the facts but on opinion and half researched information. and dont be fooled, he will nto leave it up to the states, u will get more conservative judges ont eh supreme court and they will handle that battle immediately. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:46 PM GMT
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Interesting article from Yahoo talking about the misstatements that have been told from the speakers of the Republican National Convention. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:48 PM GMT
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ActiveAndFit saidCuriousJockAZ saidAs for the McCain/Palin ticket advocating a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states. Yeah, left up to the State of California to try to ban it ..
http://www.mercurynews.com/elections/ci_9773612John McCain's support for the initiative to ban gay marriage in California - Proposition 8 - was predictable, Don't just stop there... She supported a ban on gay marriage and homosexual spousal benefits in AK. She only vetoed a bill denying health benefits for gays because it was unconstitutional, but supports an amendment to make it so she can pass that bill. http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Civil_Rights.htm#5 |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:49 PM GMT
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GobB said
thats nice, but none of those people are the ones i asked about. my point being, we know them because they WERE presidents, but lets talk about those presidential nominees, like edwards or the ones i listed above. the only one that had her name fully mentioned was hrc, the rest, they are not throwing their names around. again, romney, mccain, edwards, thompson, i dont hear nor did i hear their middle names being used. as president i understand his name, full name being used, but as a nominee its a scare tactic to help keep him fromt he white house. clearly u see this as again u mentioned none iof the names i listed and mentioned all presidents,. but none of the people who were running for president. why because their middle names are not on display. Actually Rodham is a maiden name; I have yet to see Hillary referred to as H. Diane Rodham Clinton.  Curious... c'mon now. Using Obama's middle name is not so much the issue as his being the only candidate whose middle name is mentioned by the right wing pundits - for incredibly obvious reasons. If they were at least smart enough to refer to Clinton as Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton or McCain as John Sidney McCain every time they referred to Obama as Barack Hussein Obama, we wouldn't be complaining (we are, after all, all for equal treatment - but I guess that concept is just lost on right wingers?). |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
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joggerva saidGobB said
thats nice, but none of those people are the ones i asked about. my point being, we know them because they WERE presidents, but lets talk about those presidential nominees, like edwards or the ones i listed above. the only one that had her name fully mentioned was hrc, the rest, they are not throwing their names around. again, romney, mccain, edwards, thompson, i dont hear nor did i hear their middle names being used. as president i understand his name, full name being used, but as a nominee its a scare tactic to help keep him fromt he white house. clearly u see this as again u mentioned none iof the names i listed and mentioned all presidents,. but none of the people who were running for president. why because their middle names are not on display.
Actually Rodham is a maiden name; I have yet to see Hillary referred to as H. Diane Rodham Clinton.
Curious... c'mon now. Using Obama's middle name is not so much the issue as his being the only candidate whose middle name is mentioned by the right wing pundits. If they were at least smart enough to refer to Clinton as Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton or McCain as John Sidney McCain every time they referred to Obama as Barack Hussein Obama, we wouldn't be complaining. um yes its a maiden name, this i knew, and now it is her middle name, as my mother uses her maiden name as her middle, so does hillary.  and thanks for that additional clarification to curious. thats exactly why its inappropriate. its not used equally across the board. |
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Sep 04, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
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" McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states."
He also stated that he'd support a federal amendment if it became necessary. He's a homophobe and you love him. Maybe he'll let you blow him one day. Not.
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Sep 04, 2008 5:14 PM GMT
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I noticed during the speech that Palin took a shot at Obam for his self-designed presidential seal, so I looked it up. It turned out to be just a campaign ad that I thought was pretty clever. That seal seems to me to be a trivial matter and not worthy of mention in her debut speech at the RNC. I can't help but think that if the seal, along with all the inflated facts and half-truths she mentioned are all the republicans can muster, then they are in trouble come November...  Oh yeah, the sarcasm was annoying  |
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Sep 04, 2008 5:19 PM GMT
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I was surprised she wore her hair down. Really.
Seriously, she is the personification of all that is wrong with US politics, mainly style over substance. Actually, Palin is the new face of theocratic fascism: she's anti-choice, supports bans on sex education and abstinence-only programs (see how well that worked for her daughter), is anti-gay, believes in something called "clean coal" (whatever the fuck that is), and most insultingly, believes (or says) the US is fighting a "holy war" in Iraq (for saints called Exxon, Shell, and BP).
Still, to underestimate her/McCain's success is to pretend the majority of US citizens are rational, secular, and not socially neurotic. 2 cents.
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Sep 04, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
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GobB saidCuriousJockAZ saidruck_us said
Not only would a McCain/Palin ticket advocate for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, they would further W's agenda to morph the US into a narrowly defined Christian theocracy. This is NOT the same Christianity that Obama practices, by any stretch of the imagination. It is mean-spirited, divisive and unforgiving.
Oh, would the Christianity that Obama practices be the same one where at the church he attended for 20 years the minister's sermon contained "God DAMN AMERICA"? That Christianity??? Doesn't sound mean-spirited, divisive, or unforgiving to me
As for the McCain/Palin ticket advocating a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, McCain has stated many times that this is something that should be left up to the states.
and i dont mean to always reply to ur posts so eagerly but u make it so easy. how about u look at the sermon in its context and not from the small snippets that were shown so u understand what that man was saying and understand that he is not an american hater but a man that was speaking out about injustices. and lets keep in mind he too is a war hero so he is jsut as patriotic and in a country of free speech he is allowed to speak his mind.. it is not appealing to read an argument when the person making the argument argues without all of the facts but on opinion and half researched information. and dont be fooled, he will nto leave it up to the states, u will get more conservative judges ont eh supreme court and they will handle that battle immediately.
Thanks, but I've heard all I need to hear from the hate-spewing mouth of Reverend Wright (or is it Left  ). As for the facts, apparently the "facts" were sufficient enough for Obama to FINALLY leave the church himself. |
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Sep 04, 2008 5:31 PM GMT
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CuriousJockAZ saidGobB saidCuriousJockAZ saidruck_us said
Not only would a McCain/Palin ticket advocate for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, they would further W's agenda to morph the US into a narrowly defined Christian theocracy. This is NOT |
