The Big Lie: 'I Love My Gay Friends, but I'm Voting for Romney Anyway'

  • metta

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    Nov 02, 2012 7:07 PM GMT

    The Big Lie: 'I Love My Gay Friends, but I'm Voting for Romney Anyway'

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-hennessy/the-big-lie-i-love-my-gay-friends-but-im-voting-for-romney-anyway_b_2030629.html
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    Nov 03, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
    "I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 03, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    Mocktwinkle, when I was in the E.R. a few years ago, my boyfriend needed to get permission from my parents to visit me. I don't know how I would've gotten through my ordeal if the love of my life hadn't been there to hold my hand.

    As you crack your jokes about healthcare, I hope you keep in mind that many gay couples are torn apart by the system, and the status quo which you're protecting. God forbid you ever end up in a situation like I did.
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    Nov 03, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?
  • shutoman

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    Nov 03, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    @k313ko - good luck; and be prepared to be told that Canadian/British, etc healthcare is hell on earth and that you and I are deluded fools for saying otherwise; or for attempting criticism of our current systems that do not advocate their abolition.

    The healthcare debate in the USA is a culture war - and opinions can take the form of facts very easily.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    Right up there with "I won't come in your mouth," "the check's in the mail," and, "I love you."........................icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    Ha, Ha, four years later I still don't have health care so what kind of delusional Obama fantasy are you living in. And if it was not for the election Obama would have us fighting another war in Syria . So Fuck Obama and Romney.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:17 PM GMT
    shutoman said@k313ko - good luck; and be prepared to be told that Canadian/British, etc healthcare is hell on earth and that you and I are deluded fools for saying otherwise; or for attempting criticism of our current systems that do not advocate their abolition.

    The healthcare debate in the USA is a culture war - and opinions can take the form of facts very easily.


    yes, well, I am hoping an American who is anti-Obamacare can stick to the question I asked and not go off on tangents about other countries... no takers yet though
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 03, 2012 6:29 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidHa, Ha, four years later I still don't have health care so what kind of delusional Obama fantasy are you living in. And if it was not for the election Obama would have us fighting another war in Syria . So Fuck Obama and Romney.


    Haha, so you're an uninformed voter?icon_rolleyes.gif

    FYI: The new healthcare laws won't fully go into effect until 2014.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 03, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    shutomanThe healthcare debate in the USA is a culture war - and opinions can take the form of facts very easily.


    QFT
  • Medjai

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    Nov 03, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Alpha13 saidHa, Ha, four years later I still don't have health care so what kind of delusional Obama fantasy are you living in. And if it was not for the election Obama would have us fighting another war in Syria . So Fuck Obama and Romney.


    Haha, so you're an uninformed voter?icon_rolleyes.gif

    FYI: The new healthcare laws won't fully go into effect until 2014.


    You're talking to 99% of the population.

    The majority of Americans, and Canadians too for that matter, do not ate the time to inform themselves. They base their opinion on information from biased news sources, hearsay, and family conversations. They do not look up statistics for themselves, look into party pillars, or critically assess the voting decision before voting.

    That goes for both sides. And that's why elections will always be a popularity vote, over one or two issues, as opposed to actual platforms and facts. I mean, have you ever watched an electoral debate? Have you seen how much substance they lack? That is the electoral system in a nutshell.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    Oh I would love to hear your rationale for this one.............

    Considering gays are an extremely vulnerable population when it comes to healthcare. Not everyone is a rentboy twinkles.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is -- when you actually get into a position where you NEED to get the care you're looking for. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their own health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories. Basically my reaction was: wow, I thought our healthcare system was an expensive piece of shit....until now.

    And then just told me how expensive beer and alcohol are over there... *dies*

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    Nov 03, 2012 6:45 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    Mocktwinkle, when I was in the E.R. a few years ago, my boyfriend needed to get permission from my parents to visit me. I don't know how I would've gotten through my ordeal if the love of my life hadn't been there to hold my hand.

    As you crack your jokes about healthcare, I hope you keep in mind that many gay couples are torn apart by the system, and the status quo which you're protecting. God forbid you ever end up in a situation like I did.


    That's sad. Wonder where the hell you live? My partner and I never need to get "permission" from our parents.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:46 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories.



    I'm sure there are plenty more people in the united states who think our health care is bad.

    When I was in Japan, the healthcare was amazing. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:46 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories.



    I have had extensive exposure to the system, with no significant issues. Some get bad luck, or bad doctors. That is not a Canada thing. It's a human thing.

    You're healthcare system is better, but your access is terrible. That's you're issue. Ours is vice versa. This is why I support two tiered, because I see it as the best of both worlds.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    HottJoe said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    Mocktwinkle, when I was in the E.R. a few years ago, my boyfriend needed to get permission from my parents to visit me. I don't know how I would've gotten through my ordeal if the love of my life hadn't been there to hold my hand.

    As you crack your jokes about healthcare, I hope you keep in mind that many gay couples are torn apart by the system, and the status quo which you're protecting. God forbid you ever end up in a situation like I did.


    That's sad. Wonder where the hell you live? My partner and I never need to get "permission" from our parents.




    There's a joke there.


    But I won't...............I just.......wont. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories.



    I'm sure there are plenty more people in the united states who think our health care is bad.

    When I was in Japan, the healthcare was amazing. icon_lol.gif


    Japan is a small, homogeneous country. I would imagine, yes.
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is -- when you actually get into a position where you NEED to get the care you're looking for. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories. Basically my reaction was: wow, I thought our healthcare system was an expensive piece of shit....until now.



    icon_rolleyes.gif
    nothing is without its flaws. And there you go basing your views on our healthcare system on "one" of them in particular. Ridiculous.
    But you have avoided addressing my question and even doing the one thing I asked someone who would answer not to do. If you can't answer my question then why bother responding to me?
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    Medjai said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories.



    I have had extensive exposure to the system, with no significant issues. Some get bad luck, or bad doctors. That is not a Canada thing. It's a human thing.

    You're healthcare system is better, but your access is terrible. That's you're issue. Ours is vice versa. This is why I support two tiered, because I see it as the best of both worlds.


    The stories about waiting in line. She had a serious issue and was just waiting in the lobby for 48 hours....some guy she saw with some horrible serious leg infection was sitting there for longer and she asked the doctor to see him first. The people who take advantage of the system over some little cut that requires a bandaid. I actually tried hard to NOT remember the things she told me.

    The bottom line is that you can tell someone they "have access" to something and then when it actually comes to getting it, not really getting what you need. That's more useless than a system where some have and some don't, at least you aren't kidding yourself.
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    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is -- when you actually get into a position where you NEED to get the care you're looking for. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories. Basically my reaction was: wow, I thought our healthcare system was an expensive piece of shit....until now.



    icon_rolleyes.gif
    nothing is without its flaws. And there you go basing your views on our healthcare system on "one" of them in particular. Ridiculous.
    But you have avoided addressing my question and even doing the one thing I asked someone who would answer not to do. If you can't answer my question then why bother responding to me?


    What was your question?
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    Nov 03, 2012 6:55 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is -- when you actually get into a position where you NEED to get the care you're looking for. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories. Basically my reaction was: wow, I thought our healthcare system was an expensive piece of shit....until now.



    icon_rolleyes.gif
    nothing is without its flaws. And there you go basing your views on our healthcare system on "one" of them in particular. Ridiculous.
    But you have avoided addressing my question and even doing the one thing I asked someone who would answer not to do. If you can't answer my question then why bother responding to me?


    What was your question?


    ...... are you serious?
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    Nov 03, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is -- when you actually get into a position where you NEED to get the care you're looking for. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories. Basically my reaction was: wow, I thought our healthcare system was an expensive piece of shit....until now.



    icon_rolleyes.gif
    nothing is without its flaws. And there you go basing your views on our healthcare system on "one" of them in particular. Ridiculous.
    But you have avoided addressing my question and even doing the one thing I asked someone who would answer not to do. If you can't answer my question then why bother responding to me?


    What was your question?


    ...... are you serious?


    Were you referring to this, (essentially non-question that we all know will never find consensus status among all populations?):

    "will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?"

    In a nutshell, it comes down to OPINIONS -- the facts say that some people are going to be rich and some are going to be poor and some are going to live a long healthy love and others will come down with a horrible terminal disease and die. Those are the facts. What "facts" exactly would show that your healthcare system is inferior to ours or that ours is inferior to yours? After all, majorities decide what they WANT. For you guys it's important to have an "IDEA" that no one will be left behind (even if that's just lalaland bullshit, which it is). We think that the people who are GOING to get the care should have some damn good care and the ones who won't, well, it's a horrible sad reality but I can't wave my hand and get rid of cancer or evil serial killers in the world either.
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    Nov 03, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is -- when you actually get into a position where you NEED to get the care you're looking for. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories. Basically my reaction was: wow, I thought our healthcare system was an expensive piece of shit....until now.



    icon_rolleyes.gif
    nothing is without its flaws. And there you go basing your views on our healthcare system on "one" of them in particular. Ridiculous.
    But you have avoided addressing my question and even doing the one thing I asked someone who would answer not to do. If you can't answer my question then why bother responding to me?


    What was your question?


    ...... are you serious?


    Were you referring to this, (essentially non-question that we all know will never find unanimity?):

    "will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?"

    In a nutshell, it comes down to OPINIONS -- the facts say that some people are going to be rich and some are going to be poor and some are going to live a long healthy love and others will come down with a horrible terminal disease and die. Those are the facts. What "facts" exactly would show that your healthcare system is inferior to ours or that our is inferior to yours? After all, majorities decide what they WANT. For you guys it's important to have an "IDEA" that no one will be left behind (even if that's just lalaland bullshit, which it is). We think that the people who are GOING to get the care should have some damn good care and the ones who won't, well, it's a horrible sad reality but I can't wave my hand and get rid of cancer or evil serial killers in the world either.


    holy fuck... are you illiterate? or are you just retarded?
    My question was about what is so bad about Obamacare...
    Actually, please don't respond. I can't even read any more of your garbage...
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    Nov 03, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    DEKIRUMAN said
    mocktwinkles said
    k3l3k0 said
    mocktwinkles said"I love my gay friends but I'm voting for Obama to screw over their healthcare forever."

    Okay, that makes sense too!


    I guess because I live in Canada and I've always paid into universal healthcare, I just do not understand why Americans are up in arms about Obamacare...
    will someone explain to me (preferably with facts not feelings/opinions) why it's so terrible?


    I have Canadian friends who can give you epistles about how awful your healthcare system is. One of them in particular, cannot understand for the life of her how ANYONE in Canada can pretend that their health system is good. I was literally shocked at the stories she was telling me, first hand stories.



    I'm sure there are plenty more people in the united states who think our health care is bad.

    When I was in Japan, the healthcare was amazing. icon_lol.gif


    Japan is a small, homogeneous country. I would imagine, yes.


    It's one of the of the largest countries in the world man............................

    And Japan is not as homogenous as the western world likes to believe.