Wind farm noise harms sleep and health, say scientists

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    Nov 04, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9653429/Wind-farm-noise-does-harm-sleep-and-health-say-scientists.html

    Wind farm noise causes “clear and significant” damage to people’s sleep and mental health, according to the first full peer-reviewed scientific study of the problem. [...]

    The researchers used two standard scientific scales, the Pittsburgh Sleep Quality Index, which measures the quality of night-time sleep, and the Epworth Sleepiness Scale, which measures how sleepy people feel when they are awake.

    “Participants living near industrial wind turbines had worse sleep, as evidenced by significantly greater mean PSQI and ESS scores,” the researchers, Michael Nissenbaum, Jeffery Aramini and Chris Hanning, found.

    “There were clear and significant dose-response relationships, with the effect diminishing with increasing log-distance from turbines.”

    The researchers also tracked respondents’ “mental component scores” and found a “significant” link – probably caused by poor-quality sleep – between wind turbines and poorer mental health.

    More than a quarter of participants in the group living near the turbines said they had been medically diagnosed with depression or anxiety since the wind farm started. None of the participants in the group further away reported such problems.
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    Nov 04, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
    Your deep desire to attack anything and everything people do to try and help the planet is transparent. It's not that I'm saying this study is wrong, but that EVERYTHING you post attacks progress toward saving the Earth. It's really pathetic.
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    Nov 04, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYour deep desire to attack anything and everything people do to try and help the planet is transparent. It's not that I'm saying this study is wrong, but that EVERYTHING you post attacks progress toward saving the Earth. It's really pathetic.


    +1
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    Nov 04, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYour deep desire to attack anything and everything people do to try and help the planet is transparent. It's not that I'm saying this study is wrong, but that EVERYTHING you post attacks progress toward saving the Earth. It's really pathetic.


    I call bullshit. Proof? You seem to be against any sort of change that doesn't fit within your "progressive" view. You'd rather others be poorer for your world preferences.

    Wind farms are unsustainable, expensive and inefficient - and yet as research shows they are bad for surrounding people, you attack me for being against "the planet". Guess what you idiot - I'd rather be right - or at least am more interested in seeing the data than be married to some opinion. And guess what? The planet is going to survive, if anything it's people who are at risk of becoming extinct.

    May you live next to a windfarm you stupid twirp.
  • thadjock

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    Nov 04, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    i'm an obama supporter, global warming believer, and green tree hugging friend of the earth, but i hate wind farms. and here's why:

    1) they destroy the natural landscape, turn pastoral expanses of wide open land into a forest of industrial karate chopping super human scaled white fiberglass propellers. Forever changing the horizon, and standing as monuments to man's inability to curb his ridiculous electrical consumption.

    2) the only reason windfarms get built is because it's a HUGE investment play for the private sector enticing the likes of Goldman Sachs to rush in and scoop up the truckloads of government subsidy money. they're as corrupt as big oil in the amount of money the gov't pumps into them just to make wind a viable energy source.

    3) wind is not part of the equation to make us "energy independent" it just increases capacity, and therefore encourages greater consumption. until we address consumption we'll never be self sufficient energy wise, as more energy becomes available we will consume more.
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    Nov 04, 2012 5:25 PM GMT

    lol, all we hear from Riddler is frackafrackafrack (and the sound of money, his god)

    Meanwhile in the real world:

    "The new IPPR report points out that more than 75 countries are pursuing major wind power strategies, not least China, which is aiming to have 100GW in place by 2015."

    and....

    "China plans to have 1,000GW installed wind capacity by 2050, making up 17% of the country's electricity consumption."

    http://www.windpowermonthly.com/news/1099715/China-plans-18-trillion-wind-power-plan-2050/

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    Nov 04, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    lol, all we hear from Riddler is frackafrackafrack (and the sound of money, his god)

    Meanwhile in the real world:

    "The new IPPR report points out that more than 75 countries are pursuing major wind power strategies, not least China, which is aiming to have 100GW in place by 2015."

    and....

    "China plans to have 1,000GW installed wind capacity by 2050, making up 17% of the country's electricity consumption."

    http://www.windpowermonthly.com/news/1099715/China-plans-18-trillion-wind-power-plan-2050/



    Yep - in the real world, you might want to look into how much money they're spending looking into fracking. And because you're an idiot, you seem not to have processed the fact that I've repeatedly told you that I think natural gas is transitional to something cheaper - when solar or nuclear become sufficiently efficient/cost effective/safe. And this is all because in the real world, people are abandoning subsidies for alternatives because they are running out of free money.
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    Nov 04, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Scruffypup saidYour deep desire to attack anything and everything people do to try and help the planet is transparent. It's not that I'm saying this study is wrong, but that EVERYTHING you post attacks progress toward saving the Earth. It's really pathetic.


    I call bullshit. Proof? You seem to be against any sort of change that doesn't fit within your "progressive" view. You'd rather others be poorer for your world preferences.

    Wind farms are unsustainable, expensive and inefficient - and yet as research shows they are bad for surrounding people, you attack me for being against "the planet". Guess what you idiot - I'd rather be right - or at least am more interested in seeing the data than be married to some opinion. And guess what? The planet is going to survive, if anything it's people who are at risk of becoming extinct.

    May you live next to a windfarm you stupid twirp.


    Yeah, guys, don't worry about the planet. It's people who are going to go extinct.icon_lol.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 04, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    This is all going to seem like crying over spilt milk, when the east coast is underwater, as a result of climate change, and fifty million people need to relocate.icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 04, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    Scruffypup saidYour deep desire to attack anything and everything people do to try and help the planet is transparent. It's not that I'm saying this study is wrong, but that EVERYTHING you post attacks progress toward saving the Earth. It's really pathetic.


    I call bullshit. Proof? You seem to be against any sort of change that doesn't fit within your "progressive" view. You'd rather others be poorer for your world preferences.

    Wind farms are unsustainable, expensive and inefficient - and yet as research shows they are bad for surrounding people, you attack me for being against "the planet". Guess what you idiot - I'd rather be right - or at least am more interested in seeing the data than be married to some opinion. And guess what? The planet is going to survive, if anything it's people who are at risk of becoming extinct.

    May you live next to a windfarm you stupid twirp.


    Yeah, guys, don't worry about the planet. It's people who are going to go extinct.icon_lol.gif


    That's precisely the case. And to make that argument, you'd have to ignore the fact that the world is becoming increasingly sustainable to people.
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    Nov 04, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThis is all going to seem like crying over spilt milk, when the east coast is underwater, as a result of climate change, and fifty million people need to relocate.icon_confused.gif


    Are all forms of weather proof of this to you? Are you claiming then this hasn't happened before?
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    Nov 05, 2012 3:12 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Yeah, guys, don't worry about the planet. It's people who are going to go extinct.icon_lol.gif


    actually the planet will be much better off after the human race implodes and disappears.

    we are the malignant tumor that's killing earth.
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    Nov 05, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    Just a correction. Current wind turbines are inefficient. New low friction designs based on magnets will dramatically change that.
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    Nov 05, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
    The problem with the study is that it conflates class effects with wind farm effects. Those living nearest to wind farms are poorer than those living away from them. The poor / working class are known to have greater stress and, in turn, less restorative sleep, than their middle class and wealthy equivalents.
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    Nov 05, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    How? The ones that are built here are literally in the middle of nowhere.
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    Nov 05, 2012 5:24 AM GMT
    I'm sorry I'm sure there is lots of very good information in this thread but I could get passed ScruffyPup being called progressive hahaha.

    Oh that was a good rib tickler hehehe
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    Nov 05, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    Because living under power lines is boffo for your health, and fracking gives your drinking water that extra kick.
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    Nov 05, 2012 9:23 AM GMT
    thadjock said
    HottJoe said
    Yeah, guys, don't worry about the planet. It's people who are going to go extinct.icon_lol.gif


    actually the planet will be much better off after the human race implodes and disappears.

    we are the malignant tumor that's killing earth.


    This is true, only humans devastate the planet. What is the solution though?
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    Nov 05, 2012 12:28 PM GMT
    Not_Superman saidEver stand between multi megawatt turbines? They're pretty quiet. Highways, trains and even the ocean are louder.


    I stood near the base of Kirkwood Community College's 2.5 megawatt wind turbine, and I was surprised by how quiet it was. From what I've read, the real quality of life problem for people living near wind turbines is the shadow flicker that occurs when the sun is low in the sky.
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    UglyAmerican saidThe problem with the study is that it conflates class effects with wind farm effects. Those living nearest to wind farms are poorer than those living away from them. The poor / working class are known to have greater stress and, in turn, less restorative sleep, than their middle class and wealthy equivalents.


    "More than a quarter of participants in the group living near the turbines said they had been medically diagnosed with depression or anxiety since the wind farm started. None of the participants in the group further away reported such problems."

    That's since the turbines started. That's a really high percentage of people within the vicinity during the period that the wind farms in existence... and also an assumption - that needs to be answered. It seems pretty unlikely that this would be happening on such a regular basis that a quarter of the poor versus the rich are more depressed... in fact, in my experience it's the opposite. Granted, that's anecdotal but studies on the subject like this one - while showing a bias in depression towards those with lower socioeconomic indicators, does not show such a dramatic difference as is shown in this study:

    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/157/2/98
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    Nov 05, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
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    UglyAmerican saidThe problem with the study is that it conflates class effects with wind farm effects. Those living nearest to wind farms are poorer than those living away from them. The poor / working class are known to have greater stress and, in turn, less restorative sleep, than their middle class and wealthy equivalents.


    "More than a quarter of participants in the group living near the turbines said they had been medically diagnosed with depression or anxiety since the wind farm started. None of the participants in the group further away reported such problems."

    That's since the turbines started. That's a really high percentage of people within the vicinity during the period that the wind farms in existence... and also an assumption - that needs to be answered. It seems pretty unlikely that this would be happening on such a regular basis that a quarter of the poor versus the rich are more depressed... in fact, in my experience it's the opposite. Granted, that's anecdotal but studies on the subject like this one - while showing a bias in depression towards those with lower socioeconomic indicators, does not show such a dramatic difference as is shown in this study:

    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/157/2/98


    People who are stressed be the turbine and did not relocate likely didn't because they could not afford relocation.
    So the bias is possible.

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    Nov 05, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    I have no opinion on the noise issue yet. Usually the wind blows so hard around here that you don't hear anything but the wind. The story is a little fishy in that it describes effects of living "near" and "far" from the turbines, and mentions a logarithmic scale. Then shifts to anecdotal and possibly psychosomatic claims. So it's not clear at all whether or not the evidence supports any significant number of people being affected.

    What bugs me most about these things is the damned intolerable strobe lights that flash all night. They blank out the night sky for hundreds of square miles. If I climb up to the top of the hill, the entire horizon is blinking on and off. It's really a profoundly harmful and stupid thing to do. It serves no purpose. Any airplane that flies that low is going to crash anyway.

    The economics are even fishier. Due to recent lawsuits, we (northwest rate-payers) are now PAYING California to take our hydroelectric power. (Negative power rates.) So that we can use wind turbine power at twice the cost, and their investors can collect the corresponding subsidies. And they're still throwing those things up as fast as they can. On a typical one-hour drive to the city, I pass 3 - 4 of those things headed for the wheat fields.
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    Nov 05, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
    The telegraph, or the op, didn't provide any link to the study.

    it's
    Effects of industrial wind turbine noise on sleep and health
    Michael A Nissenbaum, Jeffery J Aramini, Christopher D Hanning

    published on "Noise and Health" journal.

    You can find it here :

    [url]http://www.noiseandhealth.org/article.asp?issn=1463-1741;year=2012;volume=14;issue=60;spage=237;epage=243;aulast=Nissenbaum[/url]

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    Nov 05, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    Couldn't be any worse than living in a downtown loft in a large/busy city.
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    Nov 05, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    noise has never made humans decline infact people sleep to noise like air conditioners, tv's, air craft engines, big city noises a lot better too.

    adaptation is the name of the game unless it's over 140 decibels which i doubt is the case. this seems like sensationalism than real data.