Hard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment

  • metta

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    Nov 04, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    Hard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/04/247475.html
  • Menergy_1

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    Nov 04, 2012 4:24 PM GMT
    metta8 saidHard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/04/247475.html


    I hope this makes main-stream news here this weekend so the voters may keep in their minds the Iranian decision to halt due to sanctions imposed by the Obama administration and the international community (EU) - and not vote for more war-mongering from the United States.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 04, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
    Deny & Lie...
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    Nov 04, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    topathlete saidNo factor at all. Iran has a history of stalling and playing games. If they could do anything to influence the election, it would be to continue with Obama. His administration watered down the sanctions, made concessions to the Russians demotivating them from cooperating with Iran. Obama is their guy.


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    Doubtless we can expect a link to some nut job website next week about the 'Ayatollah conspiracy that got Obama re-elected'.

    The truth is, Obama and the EU have imposed the toughest sanctions ever on Iran and they are hurting.
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    Nov 04, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
    If Iran thinks they have it bad now, just wait until President Mitt Romney ties the noose even tighter with even tougher sanctions.
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    Nov 04, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
    topathlete saidFollowing link also gives the Administration alibis, but the fact remains that Obama unilaterally pulled out of the European missile defense shield without gaining a single concession from the Russians. The concessions could well have included greater support to the originally tougher sanctions, according to many experts.


    Has the thought ever occurred to you that the removal of the missile defense shield was in order to gain Russia's support in approving sanctions against Iran in the first place? Apparently not.

    And here's another thought: The missile defense shield isn't about Russia either. They think it is, but it's not.
  • morleyq

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    Nov 04, 2012 11:35 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidDoubtless we can expect a link to some nut job website next week about the 'Ayatollah conspiracy that got Obama re-elected'.

    The truth is, Obama and the EU have imposed the toughest sanctions ever on Iran and they are hurting.

    It is just as true that Iran is doing everything it can to help Obama.
    First engineering Sandy, now this.

    Seriously, though, I wouldn't trust the Iranian regime one bit. They've said a lot of things over the last few decades that have been nothing but lies. Including running an undeclared and illegal enrichment site for 18 years.

    It's also true that (in theory) Romney favors even tougher sanctions on Iran. That's a good thing. The problem is that there wasn't support for it and this would have led to weaker sanctions than are currently in place. The Romney talking point is a false dichotomy.
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    Nov 05, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    metta8 saidHard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/04/247475.html


    "Iran has suspended 20-percent uranium enrichment in order to have Western-imposed sanctions lifted, a parliament member told Al Arabiya on Saturday."

    Proof is because someone said this?
    Are we naive?
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    Nov 05, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
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    metta8 saidHard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/04/247475.html


    "Iran has suspended 20-percent uranium enrichment in order to have Western-imposed sanctions lifted, a parliament member told Al Arabiya on Saturday."

    Proof is because someone said this?
    Are we naive?


    Of course not. It will have to be verified by IAEA inspections. If they start hindering the inspectors, the sanctions will be maintained.
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    Nov 05, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    BuddyinNYC said
    metta8 saidHard-hit by sanctions, Iran suspends 20-percent uranium enrichment
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/04/247475.html

    "Iran has suspended 20-percent uranium enrichment in order to have Western-imposed sanctions lifted, a parliament member told Al Arabiya on Saturday."
    Proof is because someone said this?
    Are we naive?

    Of course not. It will have to be verified by IAEA inspections. If they start hindering the inspectors, the sanctions will be maintained.


    From www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/weekinreview/06slackman.html

    Iranian 101: A Lesson for Americans
    The Fine Art of Hiding What You Mean to Say

    MYSTERY Americans often misunderstand Iranians, whose style of conversation often hides their feelings.

    By MICHAEL SLACKMAN
    Published: August 6, 2006
    TEHRAN

    IT is certainly unfair to accuse all Iranians of being liars. The label is judgmental and reeks of stereotype. The more appropriate way to phrase the Iranian view toward honesty, the way many Iranians themselves describe it, is to say that being direct and telling the truth are not prized principles in Iran.

    Often, just the opposite is true. People are expected to give false praise and insincere promise. They are expected to tell you what you want to hear to avoid conflict, or to offer hope when there is none.

    There is a social principle in Iran called taarof, a concept that describes the practice of insincerity — of inviting people to dinner when you don’t really want their company, for example. Iranians understand such practices as manners and are not offended by them.

    But taarof is just one aspect of a whole framework for communication that can put Iranian words in a completely different context from the one Americans are familiar with.

    “You have to guess if people are sincere, you are never sure,” said Nasser Hadian, a political science professor at the University of Tehran.
    “Symbolism and vagueness are inherent in our language.”

    This way of communicating is suddenly essential for Americans to understand.
    Increasingly, it appears that the road to peace, and war, runs through Tehran. And so hearing what Iranians are really saying, not what Americans think they are saying, has become a priority. Iran has outsized influence with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. It has profound influence with the newly empowered Shiites of Iraq. And it is locked in its own fight with the United Nations Security Council over its ambition to develop nuclear technology.

    And yet, understanding each other — forget about agreeing — is complicated from the start.

    “Speech has a different function than it does in the West,” said Kian Tajbakhsh, a social scientist who lived for many years in England and the United States before returning to Iran a decade ago. “In the West, 80 percent of language is denotative. In Iran 80 percent is connotative.”

    Translation: In the West, “yes” generally means yes. In Iran, “yes” can mean yes, but it often means maybe or no. In Iran, Dr. Tajbakhsh said, listeners are expected to understand that words don’t necessarily mean exactly what they mean.

    “This creates a rich, poetic linguistic culture,” he said. “It creates a multidimensional culture where people are adept at picking up on nuances. On the other hand, it makes for bad political discourse. In political discourse people don’t know what to trust.”

    It is not a crude ethnic joke or slur to talk about taarof, but a cultural reality that Iranians say stems from centuries under foreign occupation.
    Whether it was the Arabs, the Mongols or the French and the British, foreign hegemony taught Iranians the value of hiding their true face. The principle is also enshrined in the majority religion here, Shiite Islam, which in other lands is a minority religion, often at odds with the majority. There is a concept known as takiya in which Shiites are permitted, even encouraged, to hide their belief or faith to protect their life, honor or property.

    “When you tell lies, it can save your life,” said Muhammad Sanati, a social psychologist who lived for years in England before returning to Iran in 1982. “Then you can see the problem of language in this country.”

    Diplomacy everywhere is the art of not showing your hand, and if Iranians have shown skill at forcing negotiations over negotiations, or winning by stalling, it would be an overstatement to say that it can be explained solely by a culture of taarof. But Western diplomats based in Iran say that Iran’s cultural foundation gives it a leg up when dealing with the more studied negotiating skills of the Americans.

    Perhaps more important, such diplomats and Iranians themselves said, Americans need to understand Iran’s approach to interpersonal communications in order to understand the complexities Iranians face in dealing with each other. Analyst after analyst said that after centuries of cloaking their true feelings, Iranians are often unsure whom they can trust when dealing with each other, let alone foreigners.

    One Western diplomat, who insisted on anonymity because that is standard diplomatic protocol, said it was possible that when Iran said it could not respond before the end of August to the West’s offer on its nuclear program, that it was not only a diplomatic maneuver, but may also have been a nod to the reality of internal Iranian politics. Major decisions on the nuclear issue involve consensus at the highest levels of the political elite. But consensus can be hard to achieve when interpersonal communications, at least initially, are defined by taarof, mistrust and different political agendas, the diplomat said?

    At the same time, understanding the cultural/moral foundation of a community can also help Americans understand whether or not an agreement was actually reached, even when the Iranians seem to say that a deal is done. “You can translate words, but can you translate feelings?” asked Saeed Leylaz, a political analyst and former government official in Tehran. “British diplomats are more successful with us. They understand our ways and our culture.”

    Indeed, Americans and Iranians speak two different languages. Americans are pragmatists and word choice is often based on the shortest route from here to there. Iranians are poets and tend to use language as though it were paint, to be spread out, blended, swirled. Words can be presented as pieces in a puzzle, pieces that may or may not fit together neatly.

    “In Iran, you praise people but you don’t mean it,” Dr. Sanati said. “You invite people for all sorts of things, and you don’t mean it. You promise things, and you don’t mean it. People who live here understand that.”

    Today, Iranians are expecting the United States to take the time to understand its culture. It has seen America fail the test of cultural translation in Iraq.

    “It is up to America to understand us, because it is stronger,” said Mr.
    Leylaz, the political analyst. There are differences of opinion about how much taarof, or indirection, or as some people call it, expediency, actually affects public discourse. People in Iran assume that when a politician offers something he knows he can’t deliver, it is taarof. They don’t call it a lie.

    But what about when President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sends a letter to President Bush. Is it sincere, or taarof? The letter has been interpreted by some Iranians as the president trying to follow the path of the Prophet Muhammad, who sent letters to his enemies, or of copying Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who sent a letter in 1989 to Mikhail Gorbachev. Some have called it naïve, or just bad politics. Certainly its import is unclear, but to all of