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Sep 05, 2008 1:24 AM GMT
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Hey Guys,
As we've seen from the thread NoName started, there's a lot of support here for those of us who are embarking on this challenge, both from the guys involved and those who are on the sidelines. I was on the initial call this afternoon/evening with many of you, and I figured that it would be good to have a thread to just talk about our challenges and get support.
To start off, I did weigh all the ingredients in my dinner tonight, and as a result I could look at the nutritional information of what I eat. Ended up with 415 calories and 80 calories from fat, so that's about 9g of fat. Now, if I can just keep that up.
What are your challenges?
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Sep 05, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
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Unfortunately, I had a bad phone connection and it was really wearing to try to hear thru all the background noise and squealing.
It would have been interesting to hear who was on by our RJ names....I couldnt recognize guys by their real names....I guess it doesnt matter, we wont be together as a group again anyway.
Now I eagerly await our sign-ons in ten days. I feel like a bloated pig and really want to get this going.
My challenge is going to be coping with hunger, if there is any. But I really think that doing this was "coach" to answer to ...and the assurance that this will work...will keep me stronger.
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Sep 05, 2008 1:50 AM GMT
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Sep 05, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
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I had a lot of questions but I decided they would be best answered by my coach.
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Sep 05, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
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I can't wait to get started. I've already got all the measuring equipment that Manuel spoke about yesterday. I'm working on cleaning out the fridge and cupboards of all the things that I know need to go away! I'llneed to find a place to measure body fat though. My biggest challenge is finding time for exercise, not to mention doing the exercise. I have a gym in my home and another one at my office, so access to equipment isn't the problem, it's just finding the time to do it and knowing what to do. What's the best way to get going on an exercise/training program? I've never worked out at gyms as I've always felt stupid for not knowing what I'm doing and then there's the whole being self conscious thing when you are the "big guy" in the room and everyone else are "gym gods". Any tips or advice anyone has will be greatly appreciated. Dave 
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Sep 05, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
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My advice is to make it part of your schedule...do your exercise at the same time each day or every other day in your schedule...if you leave it to be decided on a daily basis life will always have something else to do. You might actually want to join a gym or get a personal trainer. A gym gets you into an environment that is dedicated to working out. You cant just quit in mid workout and go do something else. A personal trainer is a GREAT INVESTMENT (NOT EXPENSE) to get you started. The schedule with your personal trainer will keep you exercising regularly. Your PT will provide the knowledge, guidance, and encouragement that you need to learn how to workout. As far as feeling self-conscious in a gym, I hear this all the time. It flabbergasts me. Like the rest of the gym gives a flying fuck about you. Probably the most ego-centric place in the world is the gym. Everybody is into themselves. NOBODY is giving two hoots and a holler about you. Besides, even if they were thinking evil thoughts, what's it to you? Who is being hurt by not going to a gym, them or you? YOU! ...they are getting their proper exercise. ...while you are home having head-fantasies to excuse yourself from working out. ... 
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Sep 05, 2008 8:46 PM GMT
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Dave, I know that Manuel suggested 2 hours of cardio a week and 3 one-half hour weight training sessions. I'm not sure what the coaches will suggest, but I've heard that you can probably incorporate a lot of walking into your schedule going to places in small sections. For example, park further away from a place that you're going to, and walk the 15 minutes to your destination. You'll have to do the same back, and you've fit in 30 minutes of the 2 hours. As far as knowing what to do, I'd suggest maybe starting with one of the workouts here, as they have lots of descriptions and videos of what to do. If you need help with getting back in the swing, the Strength Foundation Workout might be a good place to start. Granted, Caslon is right about investing in a trainer. If you can swing that, it'll work for you. If you're worried about what other people think at the gym, the reality is that they think "This guy should be in the gym" when they see people out gorging on food while roaming the streets. People in gyms are there to improve themselves, and if you there (and not just cruising the locker room) you'll be appreciated for that.
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Sep 06, 2008 1:32 AM GMT
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Something that has left me baffled is that the phone call is like 10 days before we receive our sign-ons. I am kind of all psyched for this and then told to wait for 10 days. That's rather frustrating to me. I dont understand it.
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Sep 06, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
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I'm at least trying to measure things I eat and try to practice writing things down. I know that's going to be a difficult pattern to get into, so if I can get used to it before hand, I think that will work.
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Sep 06, 2008 2:47 PM GMT
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The introductory call was pretty much what I expected. I am a little curious why it preceded the start date by 10 days...doesn't make much sense.
As far as getting used to the gym, it may take a while, so be patient. Don't expect immediate miracles. I hope your success is better than mine. I've been going to the gym for three years now...with gaps off for varioous reasons...and am only now feeling it's a habit. I tried various combinations, but have found setting my schedule around a midday workout is best for me. I have an appointment with my trainer regularly, and am fortunate enough to be able to plan my work schedule around it. I do recommend a trainer if you can afford it. And for goodness sake, don't be embarassed to go to the gym...you won't be the biggest guy there, and we're all concentrating on what we're doing, not you.
I'm looking forward to information about portions. I think I eat reasonably well, but I really have no feel for the correct portions. I'm also interested in the food combinations...instead of just a piece of fruit, we should eat fruit, etc., etc...intuitively that says we're eating more to lose weight????? because of the calories expended to digest the extra food? With that kind of philosophy, I can't imagine we're ever going to be hungry!
I'm on my way out to get gas for my generator, propane for the grill, drinking water, etc. (we're waiting on Hurricane Ike to show up) and I need to squeeze in a digital scale.
I'm really looking forward to getting started.
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Sep 06, 2008 6:09 PM GMT
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Sep 07, 2008 12:54 AM GMT
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Hey everyone!
Glad to see a thread for all of us! The phone call the other day was interesting... I enjoyed hearing all of us being so excited! It was a challenge with trying to hear Manuel but I got most of it.
My challenge will be the weight training and finding someone to measure my fat! I have no access to weights... I will have to make something up! I have a friend who has a trainer so hopefully he can do the measure for me. I used to have that device but can't find it!
I do like the fact of eating every 3 hours but of course it does not fit in with my work schedule... I will make it work!
I am also getting rid of a lot of the 'bad' food in the house... hopefully I will be able to afford 'good' food! Its so expensive to eat well....
I know we will all do well on this challenge! Let me know if I can help any of you! Good luck to everyone!!
Chris O
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Sep 07, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
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This is going to be a very interesting and intense time for me. Not only am I doing this challenge, but on Monday I start training for my first half-marathon being held on Thanksgiving day. It's going to be amazing to have a "nutrition coach" to help me with the healthy eating while simultainously training for the half marathon! Plus, I noticed on the guys site that they offer plans for both vegetarians and vegans too. I am thinking about taking this time to really learn how to eat healthy on a vegan diet. I've been wanting to go vegan for so long, but basically just didn't have a whole lot of knowledge on eating vegan while exercising to stay healthy.
I am hopeful that this be the life altering event I am hoping it will be.
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Sep 07, 2008 1:13 AM GMT
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One more thing....
I was on the Thursday call and one thing the guy said that was SO true is that no matter what the "prizes" are, the real prize will be getting control over food and starting a life of healthy eating.
Good Luck to everyone, and may everyone realize their intentions during this challenge.
Namaste, Den
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Sep 07, 2008 1:34 AM GMT
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Den, I'm a vegetarian and I can't handle eggs (milk products are fine for me) so I think it will be a challenge for me to get the protein levels that they want. We'll see what the coaches say. It should be great. I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to train for (other than to be thin enough to wear a squarecut at the beach next year!)  I agree re: prizes. I don't know what they are, and while it'd be nice to be acknowledged, the real prize is getting the help I need and getting my body where I want it to be.
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Sep 07, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
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ctocity saidHey everyone!
Glad to see a thread for all of us!
My challenge will be the weight training and finding someone to measure my fat!
I have no access to weights... I will have to make something up! Well Chris, I'm getting a friend from RJ who can do body fat measuring to do it for me. Maybe there are some RJers from your area that have that capability? A lot of the exercises in the Strong & Lean workouts can be done with relatively low weights and probably therabands. You could probably purchase a set of them and do most of the activities at home. Check out the workouts and see what you think.
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Sep 07, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
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I thought about buying a scale that measures bodyfat. Unfortunately I am past the weight limit for each one I have found. I don't know how I'll overcome that obstacle.
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Sep 07, 2008 4:54 PM GMT
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Noname, you can usually find a gym that has the capabilities of measuring body fat, and they charge a fee but you don't necessarily have to join the gym. That's how I am going about it.
I already have the measuring tools and have used them off and on. I think this is my key, the nutrition aspect, I already hit the gym 5 times a week and go running on the weekend so I think I have that covered.
And I can tell you from experience that the reward part is incredible. It's always nice when others notice you are getting slimmer, but the day something happens that makes you realize it's really happening is the best day.
Good luck all, I hope we keep this post going, helping each other is definitely going to help out in the long run.
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Sep 07, 2008 7:29 PM GMT
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Wish we all didn't live so far apart. It would be great to have a party at the end of this challenge to celebrate all our hard work!
-Den
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Sep 07, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
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matt45710 saidctocity saidHey everyone!
Glad to see a thread for all of us!
My challenge will be the weight training and finding someone to measure my fat!
I have no access to weights... I will have to make something up!
Well Chris, I'm getting a friend from RJ who can do body fat measuring to do it for me. Maybe there are some RJers from your area that have that capability?
A lot of the exercises in the Strong & Lean workouts can be done with relatively low weights and probably therabands. You could probably purchase a set of them and do most of the activities at home. Check out the workouts and see what you think.
Thank you Matt for the great ideas! I will do that! I am also going to check out a local company called "play it again" that sells used sports equipment. I might find a bargin there!
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Sep 10, 2008 6:42 PM GMT
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So, has anyone else gotten their log in information?
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Sep 10, 2008 8:30 PM GMT
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matt45710 saidSo, has anyone else gotten their log in information?
As of wed 9/10 - 4:30 pm est I have not heard anything. I will post here when I do get an e-mail. Chris
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Sep 10, 2008 9:07 PM GMT
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ctocity saidmatt45710 saidSo, has anyone else gotten their log in information?
As of wed 9/10 - 4:30 pm est I have not heard anything. I will post here when I do get an e-mail.
Chris Just got the email! 5:05 PM est... Enjoy! Chris
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Sep 10, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
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Thanks. Just checked my mail and I got it too. Gotta go home from work and log in!
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Sep 10, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
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I just got through filling out my initial info. There were a couple of errors on the sight, but all in all I think I got everything taken care of.
IT HAS BEGUN!!! -Den
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Sep 11, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
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I just talked with my nutritionist.....Kate H[udson] .... hahahahahaha
OMG! ... I started laughing so hard about the "6 almonds" as a serving size right at the beginning of the call....I am sure she thought I was a total nut-case! (no pun intended)
She was totally awesome. She has really fired me up to get on with this challenge. I was, to tell the truth, a bit put off by the 10 day lag in getting started....and then seeing "6 almonds" as a snack or whatever...I was really beginning to wonder about this whole thing.
But now, I am back on track after talking with Kate H[udson]. I am totally eager to use these tools to track my eating. I know I will not hit the goals they have set for me at first. This is gonna take some transitioning to get into eating this way. But this is gonna really be great!
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Sep 12, 2008 12:24 AM GMT
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Way to go!!! I have my first call tomorrow night with my coach! I can't wait. I can tell you that Manuel really cares about his clients and he will help any way he can. He's an awesome guy!
-Den
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Sep 12, 2008 1:10 AM GMT
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I just want to give a BIG supportive hug to you guys. I was 245lbs and 5'8 years ago and really overweight. I was the fat nerd in high school and lost a lot of weight in college and am now 201lbs and 6'0 muscle. Keep going and dont ever give up. 
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Sep 12, 2008 5:02 PM GMT
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My appointment is on Monday, and it will be interesting to talk with the nutritionist. I've already started inputting all my foods and exercise (figure I should get in the habit now) and it's definitely directing me to eat differently. As a vegetarian, I have to figure out how to fit into this system, as it definitely wants to limit my complex carb and milk product intake, which is where I normally get my protein.
More to ponder...
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Sep 14, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
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So... are we all ready for our big challenge!!!???!!! Tomorrow is our big day and I know we will all do great! Stick to the foods... try to get some exercise... and if you feel week, give a hollar! That is why we are all here! Lets keep this thread going and please post here if you have any questions or need a boost! My IM name on just about all the IM's is ctocity so please add me if you like. I will try to keep my IM running all the time. If you see me on line and need a helping hand... say hello! I know Real Jock has an IM but I am not always signed on to that... I can also suggest one of those IM programs that allow you to have a number of your different IMs running all at once (AIM, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, ICQ, etc.) I use Adium for my Apple. Here is a link... http://www.adiumx.com/ and if you are windows based, I recommend Trillian basic. Here is a link... http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ Hope that helps and see ya on line!  Good luck and go Team! Chris O
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Sep 14, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
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Chris, Regardless of how much weight you loose here, you're in the running for the Most Enthusiastic!  I've just been trying to get used to logging in my exercise and food intake. We'll see what the nutritionist says tomorrow. One very positive thing out of this so far is that as of yesterday I was down below 180 for the first time in years. Now let's see if my middle-aged body will allow me to get back to that really thin guy I was years ago, or if I need to accept that I'll probably end up as a very fit stocky guy.  I'm also open to being a support for someone. I'm on IM less, but I'm on RJ a lot , so feel free to check me out if I'm on line. Good luck to everyone starting tomorrow on this trip!
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Sep 14, 2008 11:08 PM GMT
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Good Luck everyone!!!
I'll be cheering you all along as we go through this. I had my bodyfat percentage done and I'm at 25.9% bodyfat with 199lbs of lean muscle mass. I'm hoping to atleast get down to 14%-15% bodyfat.
I'll be here if anyone needs an ear to listen.
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Sep 14, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
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The Challenge has well and truly started. Good luck to us all. It will be interesting to see how we all succeed, as I know we will. The age, height and weight range of the group is across the board. It is great to see so many of us taking the Challenge.
I am amazed with the food and exercise record keeping system. So much is predetermined, logging what I eat and how much exercise I do is easy. I had my phone call with the Coach. I have Kate, as does Caslon. She is enthusiastic, but was able to answer all my questions and give me suggestions for upping the food groups that I tend to neglect.
Nonameguy was talking about the scales that can provide %BF. I have one but can't use it. I have an implanted defibrillator, and I can't have electricity pass through my body or my engine stalls. I am that poor schmuck at the Airlines check-in waiting for the pat down. (I like the crotch and leg pat downs best) I just tell the TSA guys, if they are young and reasonable cute, grope to your heart's content. LOL
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Sep 15, 2008 9:50 AM GMT
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DAY ONE!
YOOHOO!!!!
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Sep 18, 2008 3:19 AM GMT
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Okay, we've all been silent on this since starting. My question is: what has been your greatest challenge so far?
For me, it's getting all the Very Lean Meats (VLM) in. As a vegetarian, there are very few options that I can choose here, and what I would normally do for my protein intake (food combining) doesn't show up on the system as anything but starches. I'm definitely going to work with this through the two months (and be buying a lot of mock meats and cottage cheese!) but wondering how sustainable it is for afterwards. We'll see.
That, and not going over on the milk products. Again, a major protein source for me that they limit.
So, what's been your challenge?
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Sep 18, 2008 3:47 AM GMT
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matt45710 saidAs a vegetarian, there are very few options that I can choose here, and what I would normally do for my protein intake (food combining) doesn't show up on the system as anything but starches. Have you tried Quorn?  It's incredibly yummy, soy-free, and easy to use, and the non-breaded items seem pretty healthy. Here's the nutrition info for the Chik'n Tenders shown above: Calories 80; Protein 10g; Carbohydrate 9g; Fiber 4g; Sugars 1g; Fat 2.0g; Saturated Fat 0.5g; Trans Fat 0g; Cholesterol 0mg; Sodium 390mg Hmm, I guess you might need to keep an eye on the sodium levels in all the "meat replacements"
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Sep 18, 2008 4:25 AM GMT
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Jogger,
I'm getting most of my mock meats from Trader Joe's, as they have a good variety of them. I've heard of Quorn before, but never tried it. Thanks for the tip.
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Sep 18, 2008 8:38 AM GMT
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Hey Everyone! My biggest challenge so far has been getting my food ready in the morning. I need to pack my food for the day and take it with me to work. I learned on Monday morning that it took me a while to get that all done, shower and head out the door! So now, I have been planning my day the night before... plugging in the foods I want to eat, making sure I have the right balance and then packing it all up for the next day. I have to have my food measured out and done this way otherwise I find I choose the wrong things or eat too much or not enough. Sort of like prepared meals from Jenny Craig! LOL... I had my first coach season last night and Shannon was very nice! I am doing well in all areas except for fats... I am not eating enough! I will be posting a link to my personal web site soon so that everyone can see my blog. If you want to follow my adventures, you can read up more there until Dennis sets up something for us to blog on. Hugs to you all and KEEP GOING! Chris O 
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Sep 18, 2008 9:15 AM GMT
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It's the middle of the first week, and my biggest challenge is coming up this weekend: I'm photographing a convention the next couple of days (all day, both days, and I'm not sure how many of you have been to conventions before; but they don't always have the healthiest food choices to choose from LOL); and then I'm flying to Palm Springs Saturday morning to photograph a wedding reception that evening (again, I'm not counting on there being a lot of healthy food choices at the reception; but I could be wrong) Other than that, things are going great! Especially as far as my workouts are concerned... it's been a joy to get back to the gym on a regular basis. Best of luck to everyone! I am looking forward to seeing how things go over the next several weeks...
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Sep 18, 2008 9:53 AM GMT
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I have two issues I'm working through...
1. Portions - I've gone from eating about 4,000 calories a day to eating about 1,800 calories a day. I'm never really "hungry" since now I eat till satisfied instead of eating till full, but I think it's more of a mental thing.
2. Vegetarian - It was suggested to me that I incorporate meats back into my diet for the sake of this challenge. I tried, but my system was not happy! So, I'm going to see what I can do, also, about getting the meat substitutes and stuff. I guess I'm lucky in that regard because I work for the company that ships every type of meat substitute there is.
To my Veggie Brothers taking the challenge, stay strong and talk to your coach about veggie sources of protein.
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Sep 18, 2008 9:56 AM GMT
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Enter Beans as a Protein, not a starch...
According to what I researched, beans are considered a protein, not a starch because they are listed under "proteins" on the food pyramid.
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Sep 18, 2008 3:56 PM GMT
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AlphaDen saidEnter Beans as a Protein, not a starch...
According to what I researched, beans are considered a protein, not a starch because they are listed under "proteins" on the food pyramid.
-Den Well, they're already in the system as a starch. And if you put the item in as a special label, it will generate it by the gram breakdown. Who knew that quinoa was equal to one serving of Very Lean Meat!
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matt45710 saidAlphaDen saidEnter Beans as a Protein, not a starch...
According to what I researched, beans are considered a protein, not a starch because they are listed under "proteins" on the food pyramid.
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Well, they're already in the system as a starch. And if you put the item in as a special label, it will generate it by the gram breakdown. Who knew that quinoa was equal to one serving of Very Lean Meat!
Yeah, there are certain things about the site that I don't like. One being that beans are labeled as a starch not a protein. That's not very fair to vegetarians who use beans as a main source of protein. Also, the exercise section and the food section, I feel, is way to general. Today, for instance, I haven't "worked out" but I did spend the afternoon cleaning our storage room at work. It involved hours of carrying boxes lifting heavy objects and allot of walking. My legs and arms are killing me. However, I have no way of listing this on the exercise chart. According to the chart, I didn't work out today. Oh well, nothing is perfect and I am happy to get what I can from the experience. It will still be a great tool for the one on ones with the coach if nothing else. -Den
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Sep 19, 2008 10:29 PM GMT
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Den,
There's probably some way to notate your activity today. I know that they added some things to the pantry, so I think they can probably add that to the possible exercises. Ask your nutrition coach about it.
I'm doing okay here. I've been working out, and I've cheated and haven't waited a week to weigh myself, and I know that I'm down 5 lbs from where I started. I'm just wondering if this will be like the Biggest Loser where they lose a lot of weight right off the bat and then it comes off more slowly later. We'll see!
Now, if I can just get enough sleep!
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Okay, so I was looking over my food tracker for this week and I've spotted some problem areas. The allowances I seem to go over on every single day are Grains & Starches, Non-Starchy Vegetables, & Fats (surprise!surprise!). My coach told me not to worry about going over on the non-starchy veggies, but I do see a pattern in going over on Fats more than anything. It's never by too much, but then again what is too much! over the limit is over the limit.
That's one really good thing about Nu4U. I can review my week adn see where teh improvements need to be made. So now I know to be for focused on the amount of fats I am taking in.
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matt45710 saidAlphaDen saidEnter Beans as a Protein, not a starch...
According to what I researched, beans are considered a protein, not a starch because they are listed under "proteins" on the food pyramid.
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Well, they're already in the system as a starch. And if you put the item in as a special label, it will generate it by the gram breakdown. Who knew that quinoa was equal to one serving of Very Lean Meat!
FYI... I just watched the video on the sight on Grains & Starches and it stated that even though they have beans under the category of a starch, both beans and quinoa would be counted as a protein because of their protein content. Yay! I gotta have my beans!!!! It's the musical fruit!!! -Den
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matt45710 saidDen,
There's probably some way to notate your activity today. I know that they added some things to the pantry, so I think they can probably add that to the possible exercises. Ask your nutrition coach about it.
I'm doing okay here. I've been working out, and I've cheated and haven't waited a week to weigh myself, and I know that I'm down 5 lbs from where I started. I'm just wondering if this will be like the Biggest Loser where they lose a lot of weight right off the bat and then it comes off more slowly later. We'll see!
Now, if I can just get enough sleep!
In the exercise area, you can input in any type of activity you have done along with the calories you have burned off... but of course you have to figure out how many calories you have burned off some how. Maybe there is a web site that gives information about the amount of calories burned by the type of activity you have done? Here is a site I found that allows you to pick a activity, how long you did it, and how much you weigh... and it will tell you the amount of calories you burned! Hope this helps!! http://www.caloriecontrol.org/exercalc.html So far doing well but went out for drinks last night with coworkers... we were celebrating the fact we will be getting our bonus this year! Yahoo! So today I have to walk a bit farther to work those two cocktails off! Hugs to you all and KEEP GOING!! Chris O
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Hey, is AlphaDen gone? His posts don't include his picture anymore. Anyone know of anything?
Doing pretty well here. Had my second nutrition coaching call (this time with Kate) and she said I am doing fine, but should eat more fat! I'm over my calorie count, but I'm also way up on the calorie burning stuff, so I more than even out. I'm down 7 lbs. so far (about 3 kg. for you outside the US) and feeling pretty good, but hungry. We have all these programs at work this week, and there are a lot of cookies and pizza going around (it gets the students to attend) so I've had to have the willpower.
Now, I've got a date tonight, so I'm trying to figure out what I can drink that won't be too bad. I think it's going to be red wine.
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Hey Guys, I am loving this Challenge. I have had only one meeting with my rep. All is going well now. I am eating a little less than I should and I have lost 8lbs so far. Now speaking of temptation. Is anyone else a chocolate Lover? I so want some now anyone have a way the stop the craving? 
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Sep 26, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
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I'm stunned by some of the weight loss statistics you guys are reporting. I was thrilled with 2 pounds down. Congratulations on the quick starts.
Of course, I gave everyone a little head start...I spent Thursday through Monday at Myrtle Beach playing golf with ten fraternity brothers from forty years ago. And it didn't take long to fall right back into the old bad habits...drinking too much and eating junk food! They were amused when I told them I had to make a food run and came back with orange juice, carrots, celery and hummus!
Eating out every meal was really a challenge, but I did okay. It will take some retraining of old eating habits to do well at restaurants.
I had a little trouble figuring out whether I was doing light or vigorous forms of my exercise activities. To be on the safe side, I picked light. I'm also not certain what all the numerous stationary bicycle variations mean. Kate suggested a heart rate monitor, which I've now acquired, but I have to figure out how it works!
Keep up the good work, guys.
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Sep 28, 2008 12:24 PM GMT
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WhoMe76 saidHey Guys, I am loving this Challenge. I have had only one meeting with my rep. All is going well now. I am eating a little less than I should and I have lost 8lbs so far. Now speaking of temptation. Is anyone else a chocolate Lover? I so want some now anyone have a way the stop the craving?
 Hey! Sounds like you are doing well! As of this morning, I have lost 7.5 pounds for a two week total! Yeah! But I did slide a bit yesterday... I went with friends to Epcot's food and wine event! I did not eat anything bad at all... in fact, that part was easy... but I had 4 drinks! That put me over in calories for the day. But... I had also walked a 5K marathon yesterday morning before Epcot... and burned way more calories than I drank... so it was a trade off! LOLOL... ;-P Chocolate cravings... mmmmmmm.... I also get those... I actually take care of it with chocolate! We have a bag of m&ms in the house that my hubby has for himself. When I get the erge... I eat ONE! and that does it for me... Maybe that will help you or maybe it might make things worst... but that works for me. I have also put a few m&ms in a cup of coffee. They melt and give the coffee the flavor of chocolate. I hope everyone is doing well and keeping on track! Let us know if you are having any challenges... hopefully we can help! KEEP GOING!!! Hugs to you all... Chris O aka-ctocity 
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Oct 01, 2008 12:34 PM GMT
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So, start of Week 3 guys, how's it going?
I'm doing okay, I'm down either 7 to 9 lbs depending on the time I step on the scale. I only really weigh myself on Mondays and Thursdays, but I can weigh myself 4 times and vary by 1.5 lbs.
I've got used to logging in everything, and it does make me think about everything I eat.
How 'bout you?
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Oct 01, 2008 6:24 PM GMT
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matt45710 saidSo, start of Week 3 guys, how's it going?
I'm doing okay, I'm down either 7 to 9 lbs depending on the time I step on the scale. I only really weigh myself on Mondays and Thursdays, but I can weigh myself 4 times and vary by 1.5 lbs.
I've got used to logging in everything, and it does make me think about everything I eat.
How 'bout you?
After last weeks disaster I haven't weighed myself. I'll do it this weekend.
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Oct 01, 2008 10:50 PM GMT
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Hey Guys! Doing okay mid way thru week 3. I have lost about 7 pound (maybe 8 also depending on my scale and the time of day!) and feel thiner. I know my watch band is loose and my watch keeps spinning around! ;-) My pants are getting looser... and I seem to have more energy. (like I don't already have enough!) I had my 2nd talk with a coach today after work. First time was with Shannon and this time with Liz. Both were great and very supportive. I seem to be sticking to the percents but a bit high in fat this past week due to drinking too much at Epcot's Food and Wine event this past weekend. My goals before my next coaching call is to get more protein into my meals (minds out of the gutters boys... ) and to also start doing some resistance workouts. I am doing well with my walking every other day but she wants to build some muscle too. I will say my fat% has gone down by 2% so I am happy with that! Everyone seems to be doing well so please post something so we can all hear about your ups and downs! KEEP GOING!! HUGS to you all... Chris 
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Oct 04, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
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Okay... so today, Dennis posted our ranking! All I can say is wow! Everyone is doing so well! Lets keep the forums posts going and lets make sure we support each other. If anyone has any challenges, please post them here for us to see. We are all in this together so lets help each other. KEEP GOING! Chris O aka ctocity 
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Oct 05, 2008 3:52 AM GMT
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Well I was shocked when I scored as high as I did. I have only lost about 5 lbs since we started (which makes 20 since April). And I keep going over my calories. Constant low level hunger bad. I end up cracking and binging. Also all my favorites, even healthy ones seem to be most of a days calories. I was looking at the 2 diets, 1800 or 2100 and I am right on the dividing height between the two. Starting to wonder if I should be on the higher one.
It doesn't help that I like real food. Like real cheeses, and guacamole, or toast with honey. Rice crackers or unsalted nuts don't cut it.
Anyway, as a helpful thing, dailyplate.com has the most complete list of labels that I have found, even got my dimsum and sushi and lots of other stuff I didn't know where to look for.
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Oct 06, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
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Yes, I was surprised too! It's just more of a motivator for me, but so is talking with everyone else about it. It's been a great thing for me, and I've been obsessed with logging in everything (hence, I think, my high score).
Problem has been mostly when going away, how to manage my eating and remembering it all until I can get to a computer and log it in!
Continued good luck to all.
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Oct 08, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
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Hello everyone! Happy mid week of week 4! I hope everyone is doing well with their programs... I am doing better this week and seem to be back on track. My weigh in on sunday was upsetting because it showed I had lost nothing for the whole week but since everyones weight goes up and down each day and each hour, I just hit it at the wrong time I guess. Today I stepped on the scale for my mid week weight in and not only had I lost this weeks weight but also last weeks weight! Now if I can just keep it off till sunday!  I have also stepped up my walking but still have not been able to get and resistance work fit in. I don't have the equipment yet but hopefully this weekend I will be able to afford it. I also am looking forward to sunday when I get to host the booth for my company at our local Coming out with Pride event! The thought of sitting behind the booth all day long looking at hot men walk by was just too much not to say yes too! LOL....  So on that note, I hope everyone is well and staying on track. Again, let us know if there are any challanges we can help with! KEEP GOING! Hugs to you all... Chris O aka ctocity
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Oct 09, 2008 2:16 AM GMT
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Chris,
Thanks for being the cheerleader for all of us! I just got down watching The Biggest Loser, and that helps keep me motivated too.
I'm doing fine here. Tomorrow's my weigh in day (I do Mondays and Thursdays for myself) and I'm hoping that I've dropped another pound or so, but we'll see. I tried my best while traveling for work to NY City, where I saw lots of food but didn't have any cheesecake! I know that I had a few days where my calories where above what I should be doing, but I've also been trying to make sure I get my workouts in.
I did have two things that happened while I was in New York City that were particularly powerful for me.
* I worked out at the gym at the hotel I was staying, and while it wasn't the best gym, it had almost everything I needed for my workout. It was on the top floor of the hotel, and I could tell that a good day would have about 3 people use it. Given that I was there alone, I actually took off my shirt while working out and able to see myself in the mirror. For the first time in a very long time, I could start to see that my shoulders were wider than my waist (I've always had very slight shoulders) and I could view in myself the hunk within who was working to get out from the fat that I've had surrounding me. Granted, there's still work to go, but I can finally see that all the work I've done over the past 1.5 years and especially since I started the Weight Loss Challenge has really made a difference. I feel like I can see the end in sight now, and it feels great. It's taken a long time to get to this point, and I completely understand anyone who reads this and thinks that they can't get here, but I can tell you it's the result of a lot of small acts, not just one large one.
* Part of my time that I had in NY I took to walk around the city, get familiar with it on my terms, and check out clothes. I went into a lot of shops, and got some things, but I'm most amazed that I could buy a pair of 33 waist pants and they fit! I haven't been that thin for a very long time! I also wanted to get shirts that are tapered more, as I actually now want to show of my shape instead of hiding it. My big gift to myself when this is all over is to go to NY and go clothes shopping. It will be much easier when I'm a 32 waist than 33, as there are a lot more options in that size. The big thing is that I am now starting to appreciate where I've gotten.
For all this, I have to thank not only all the great people at Nu4you.net who have helped out with this, but also the Real Jock crew who have put together this great resource, including the great workouts that Billy Polson has put together and allowed me to get to this place, and also to the community of men here who have been supportive of everyone getting in shape. When you give encouraging words to anyone else, I felt them myself, and I appreciate it.
May that supportive nature continue here and grow.
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Oct 09, 2008 2:49 AM GMT
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Ive had some problems with all this. Logging is hard on days off because the last thing I really want to see is Computer. Or atleast be on it.
At work its easy to log it thru out the day. Im a Coach so its easy I have laptop (portable) so its easy and I have structure at work.
Also another challenge the people that used to be my support network have kinda turned off to me. So I am just feeling kinda alone.
I am also moving after 2 years 7 months with my roommate now Congrats she is getting married. So I move in 12 days.
Stressed out with it and moving it all on my own and pulling it together. Its been since 2003 Since Ive lived alone and I have had to rebuild my entire life from the $130 and 89 ford escort.
Money is really tight and frankly this week and most of next week will be at huge loss. I cant really get the foods I would eat. I am having to fork out almost 3k$ to move leaves me nothing.
On 17th I can get semi back on track but very very lean so basically I feel I am loosing 3 weeks of the contest nutrition wise.
I really do not know what to do at this point.
I do have new work out routine our fitness trainers at our Work gym made for me its 5 min walk on treat mill warm up 45 min weight training machines and some free weights. Then 20 minutes cardio on eliptical on fat burn. I was told no more then 20 min cardio or after that you start to burn muscle.
So Im conflicted and stressed not quite sure, what I can do in this thin time of finances and stress. Work has gotten fuller as well on top of friends which are really I have my (foe) family.
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Oct 09, 2008 4:09 AM GMT
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Life happens. Just make the best choices you can when you eat and deal with the rest later. When something goes tits up like this no one expects you to be perfect on your diet. Besides this program isn't really about loosing the weight, it's about you and food. So you loose a few weeks and don't drop all the weight. Are you learning how to manage your diet on your own? Learning that you can loose the weight? Learning why you binge on a whole box of cookies (that might just be me)? If you learn this stuff it doesn't matter if you don't reach your goal weight by an aribitrary date. So the speedo is a couple weeks later than expected, you will still get to it, isn't that what matters?
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Oct 09, 2008 9:44 AM GMT
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matt45710 saidChris,
Thanks for being the cheerleader for all of us! I just got down watching The Biggest Loser, and that helps keep me motivated too.
I'm doing fine here. Tomorrow's my weigh in day (I do Mondays and Thursdays for myself) and I'm hoping that I've dropped another pound or so, but we'll see. I tried my best while traveling for work to NY City, where I saw lots of food but didn't have any cheesecake! I know that I had a few days where my calories where above what I should be doing, but I've also been trying to make sure I get my workouts in.
I did have two things that happened while I was in New York City that were particularly powerful for me.
* I worked out at the gym at the hotel I was staying, and while it wasn't the best gym, it had almost everything I needed for my workout. It was on the top floor of the hotel, and I could tell that a good day would have about 3 people use it. Given that I was there alone, I actually took off my shirt while working out and able to see myself in the mirror. For the first time in a very long time, I could start to see that my shoulders were wider than my waist (I've always had very slight shoulders) and I could view in myself the hunk within who was working to get out from the fat that I've had surrounding me. Granted, there's still work to go, but I can finally see that all the work I've done over the past 1.5 years and especially since I started the Weight Loss Challenge has really made a difference. I feel like I can see the end in sight now, and it feels great. It's taken a long time to get to this point, and I completely understand anyone who reads this and thinks that they can't get here, but I can tell you it's the result of a lot of small acts, not just one large one.
* Part of my time that I had in NY I took to walk around the city, get familiar with it on my terms, and check out clothes. I went into a lot of shops, and got some things, but I'm most amazed that I could buy a pair of 33 waist pants and they fit! I haven't been that thin for a very long time! I also wanted to get shirts that are tapered more, as I actually now want to show of my shape instead of hiding it. My big gift to myself when this is all over is to go to NY and go clothes shopping. It will be much easier when I'm a 32 waist than 33, as there are a lot more options in that size. The big thing is that I am now starting to appreciate where I've gotten.
For all this, I have to thank not only all the great people at Nu4you.net who have helped out with this, but also the Real Jock crew who have put together this great resource, including the great workouts that Billy Polson has put together and allowed me to get to this place, and also to the community of men here who have been supportive of everyone getting in shape. When you give encouraging words to anyone else, I felt them myself, and I appreciate it.
May that supportive nature continue here and grow. You are welcome! All of you inspire me each day to continue with this program and challenge! The least I can do is be the cheerleader in all this excitement! I know today at work we have a store wide meeting at 9am and they always give us a free breakfast! It will be hard to say no to all that great food and just eat my apple and almonds...  Those Swedish love to eat! But if I can motivate just one person to do better then I feel I have paid you and everyone else back for the support I have felt for the past 4 weeks. Now all I have to do is find the hunk in my mirror soon! Hugs to you and everyone on the challenge! Chris (PS... I want to see the picture of that 'hunk' that is coming out of you! But then again, I already think you are a hunk! )
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Oct 09, 2008 9:48 AM GMT
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Tiran saidLife happens. Just make the best choices you can when you eat and deal with the rest later. When something goes tits up like this no one expects you to be perfect on your diet. Besides this program isn't really about loosing the weight, it's about you and food. So you loose a few weeks and don't drop all the weight. Are you learning how to manage your diet on your own? Learning that you can loose the weight? Learning why you binge on a whole box of cookies (that might just be me)? If you learn this stuff it doesn't matter if you don't reach your goal weight by an aribitrary date. So the speedo is a couple weeks later than expected, you will still get to it, isn't that what matters? Wonderful Tiran! Absolutely correct! btw... my hubby has complained to me that I no longer buy junk food when I shop. I told him if he wanted his junk to just buy it himself! LOL... but I did pick up a few snacks for him on my last shopping run. He loves mint... I hate it.. so everything I got him was mint flavored! That way, I am not tempted to eat it!  Chris O
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Oct 11, 2008 1:26 PM GMT
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Well... this weekend is the Orlando Pride event and I am going to work the booth for my company on Sunday! How could I say no?... Sitting there, talking about my great company (IKEA) and watching thousands of hot men walk by! YUMMY! My only challenge is that we normally drink all day... not good for the weight loss challenge! I have lost 10 pounds so far and want to keep it off. Any suggestions on drinking during one of these events?? Too bad they don't make 'light' vodka.... Hugs to you all and I will do my Sunday check in tomorrow before I leave for the fun!  KEEP GOING!! Chris O
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Oct 12, 2008 2:54 AM GMT
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Good evening everyone! I hope that all of you are doing well. I'm sorry that I have not spent much time on here blogging as I intended to do, but life happens.  I joined my local Anytime Fitness gym on October 1st and have been going **almost** everyday since. I was very apprehensive and self-conscious at first but now it is starting to be very comfortable. It is becoming a routine and a habit which is exactly what I need. This week I started the 12 Week Strength Foundation workout I found here at RJ. I sent the link over to my nu4you coach Shannon and asked for her opinions/comments and she gave me the green light with one word of caution. Don't overdo it! I started off pretty slowly and have been building up my strength training over the week. Most difficult is determining what my Rep Max really is. Having NEVER been in a gym before makes it quite a challenge, but the hunky studs don't seem to mind helping me out when I ask for it.  So far, on the challenge I have lost a total of 13.5 pounds and am really jazzed about my weigh in tomorrow morning. I'm hoping for a 5 pound loss tomorrow. That will put me at about 235 pounds - the lightest I've been in about 3 years. My personal goal is to be down to below 200 pounds by my 40th birthday on January 8th of next year. Not much time, but I'm certain that if I can keep up the pace and average around 3 pounds per week I will definitely make it! I definitely want to be down to my pre-relationship weight by Michael's and my "anniversary" next July 14. It will be 13 years for us! I want to be in shape and take him on a cruise. To do that, I will have to be comfortable in a bathing suit - hopefully a square cut! So...I'll stop rambling! I wish everyone in this challenge much success and I hope it comes to you without many feelings of sacrifice. Stay focused on what you WANT instead of what you have given up and you'll be amazed at how easy the journey will become. Good Night! jkw69 (Joseph Wicker)
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Oct 12, 2008 3:02 AM GMT
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Best of luck Joseph and keep up the great work. Be sure to send us photos of the cruise when it happens you lucky guy you.
Warmly, ~Brady
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Oct 12, 2008 12:33 PM GMT
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jkw69 said
So far, on the challenge I have lost a total of 13.5 pounds and am really jazzed about my weigh in tomorrow morning. I'm hoping for a 5 pound loss tomorrow. That will put me at about 235 pounds - the lightest I've been in about 3 years.
jkw69 (Joseph Wicker) How wonderful Joe! We are all very happy for you! Keep up the good work and don't let those other guys make you feel bad at the gym!  For me, today I weighed in and now have lost 11 pounds total so far in the 4 weeks! If I continue on this course, I should have at least 20 pounds off by the end of the challenge! I hope everyone enjoyed National Coming out day on Saturday. KEEP GOING! rah rah!! Chris O aka ctocity
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Oct 13, 2008 3:35 AM GMT
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Little disappointed today, just lost 1.5 pounds this week. Have a coaching session scheduled with Shannon so we can figure this out. I'm eating enough calories to precipitate a 2 lb weekly weight loss without any exercise so I'm pretty surpirsed that I didn't lose more considering I had an average daily burned calories of over 400...
Will keep you posted!
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Oct 13, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
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Well, this week hasn't seemed to go as smoothly as previous weeks, but it's still okay. I've been exercising a lot, and my calories are much higher, but I think I'm still okay. I've had a few days in the 2200 calorie range, where I'm supposed to be around 1700. I know that I'm still losing weight, so that's got to be a positive. I've been really hungry today, as I've been cleaning up my apartment, and I don't think I've had a lot to eat, but I'm at 2100 calories today, and I'm still hungry. Tomorrow is my weigh in day for the week, so we'll see where I've ended up.
I've had so non-standard days, with business travel to NYC and other weird things, so I'm hoping that that's reason I'm feeling out of it. I've got tomorrow off, so I hope to get some exercise in. I also have a funeral to go to in Vermont tomorrow. A good friend my age (44) was hit and killed by a drunk driver at 8:20 a.m. on Thursday. He was the sweetest, kindest, gentlest man. He lived in Dharamsala India and did English translations of Tibetan in the Dalai Lama's compound. Ed, you will be acutely missed.
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Oct 14, 2008 1:29 AM GMT
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jkw69 saidLittle disappointed today, just lost 1.5 pounds this week. Have a coaching session scheduled with Shannon so we can figure this out. I'm eating enough calories to precipitate a 2 lb weekly weight loss without any exercise so I'm pretty surpirsed that I didn't lose more considering I had an average daily burned calories of over 400...
Will keep you posted! Check your measurements. I have lost a bit of weight over last few months but not as much as my clothing would indicate. Muscle is denser than fat so if you have been putting on muscle your weight might not change (or even go up) but your body fat percentage should change.
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Oct 14, 2008 6:23 AM GMT
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Oct 14, 2008 5:29 PM GMT
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BigTallGuy, you go! Love the vlogs! Makes me want to do one!
Stay off the beer a bit and it will work!
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Oct 15, 2008 1:10 AM GMT
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matt45710 saidBigTallGuy, you go! Love the vlogs! Makes me want to do one!
Stay off the beer a bit and it will work! Thanks man! Yeah, beer is my weakness. But, I haven't had a beer since Saturday which is big for me because I tend to drink a beer almost daily.... so that's progress.
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Oct 15, 2008 5:49 PM GMT
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I hate it!
Nu4You serving sizes half of standard serving sizes, eg. 6 almonds instead of 1 oz, 1/4 cup 1% cottage cheese instead of 1/2 cup.
VLM only. Where does one find ground beef with less than 7% fat?
The Success Trackers ability to find sugar where you thought there was none.
Only being able to enter a combo because the custom food label never gets it right yet you're not sure if the combo is playing out right either.
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Oct 17, 2008 2:39 AM GMT
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NoNameGuy saidI hate it!
Nu4You serving sizes half of standard serving sizes, eg. 6 almonds instead of 1 oz, 1/4 cup 1% cottage cheese instead of 1/2 cup.
VLM only. Where does one find ground beef with less than 7% fat?
The Success Trackers ability to find sugar where you thought there was none.
Only being able to enter a combo because the custom food label never gets it right yet you're not sure if the combo is playing out right either.
Hey, it's not the easiest thing at the beginning, when you're new to this, it takes a change. I know that it's taken me a while, and I'm not always as with everything, but I can tell you that if you do what they recommend and follow the plan, you will lose the weight. Okay, 1/4 cup is a serving of cottage cheese, so I have 2 servings in the morning. We've got the allowances for it. I haven't had a problem with the custom food label, and I've done a bunch of combos. What's been the problem? I've really tried to utilize this program for all it's worth, as I don't know when I will have this much support again int he future, and it's worth more than you can ever pay for. Even for those of you who have not had as much success in the plan so far, there's still a month in this program, and you can take advantage of what's left of the program.
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Oct 17, 2008 9:57 AM GMT
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matt45710 said Even for those of you who have not had as much success in the plan so far, there's still a month in this program, and you can take advantage of what's left of the program.
I have to agree with Matt4570.... I know it has been hard for many of you... that is why it is a challenge... but we are all here for each other and we we still are. If you are used to eating more food it will seem like nothing to eat 1/4 cup of cottage cheese... or 6 nuts... but these are the right servings that we should be eating. Not half a container of cheese or a whole can of nuts. Believe me... I have been there and it is hard not to do it.
Matt4570 and I have been doing well on the plan so please write to either of us for help or suggestions. We both truly want to see everybody lose weight. As Matt4570 says above, there is still a month in this program an you can lose some weight. The key will be to learn what they are teaching us until they become habits... then we will learn for life how to eat for our body types. I certainly plan to continue to follow my new habits... besides, my husband likes each dinner I cook! 
Stay strong and again, let us know how we can help!
HUGS to you all and KEEP GOING!!
Chris
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Oct 17, 2008 11:07 AM GMT
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NoNameGuy saidI hate it!
Nu4You serving sizes half of standard serving sizes, eg. 6 almonds instead of 1 oz, 1/4 cup 1% cottage cheese instead of 1/2 cup.
VLM only. Where does one find ground beef with less than 7% fat?
The Success Trackers ability to find sugar where you thought there was none.
Only being able to enter a combo because the custom food label never gets it right yet you're not sure if the combo is playing out right either.
Have you been looking for extra lean ground sirloin? It is expensive but really great tasting and lean. Also check out bison, which is even leaner than beef...and quite good too. I do not think there is that big of a difference in taste. Best of luck to you.
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Oct 18, 2008 12:15 PM GMT
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Has anyone else had a problem with the scheduling of a talk with a nutrition coach? I scheduled one for next Wednesday, but it doesn't show up on my Nu4you site.
Also, if you need a boost, set up an appointment to call. I had a few hurdles to get over in the beginning, and Shannon, Kate and Liz (yup, I've talked with all three!) were really helpful. Liz is a vegetarian, so she really helped me with figuring out the protein part.
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Oct 18, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
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All you guys have to do skip one or two meals a day or eat something small nothing big in each meals. This will help you lose weight. Never eat any products that have diets on it. That products that have diet on it is all lie.
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Oct 18, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
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samerphxaz saidAll you guys have to do skip one or two meals a day or eat something small nothing big in each meals. This will help you lose weight. Never eat any products that have diets on it. That products that have diet on it is all lie. I do not thinking skipping meals is the way to go, especially for the older RJers following this challenge. Skipping meals will cause one's metabolism to slow in favor of enegy storage. Portion control and frequency of intake (like you said), on the other hand, are extremely important for weight loss and maintenance. and of course you have to always watch what you eat. I hope those guys do allow themselves to have a cheat meal...that will keep them from binging.
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Oct 18, 2008 11:39 PM GMT
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orthojock saidsamerphxaz saidAll you guys have to do skip one or two meals a day or eat something small nothing big in each meals. This will help you lose weight. Never eat any products that have diets on it. That products that have diet on it is all lie.
I do not thinking skipping meals is the way to go, especially for the older RJers following this challenge. Skipping meals will cause one's metabolism to slow in favor of enegy storage. Portion control and frequency of intake (like you said), on the other hand, are extremely important for weight loss and maintenance.
and of course you have to always watch what you eat.
I hope those guys do allow themselves to have a cheat meal...that will keep them from binging. Correct... The Nu4You program is all about portion control and eating the right combination of foods. This way, we don't get hungry and our bodies lose weight normally. We are not allowed to skip meals as this will throw off our metabolism. Plus, we eat regular foods... nothing with diet on it. Their plan is the right way to go if you want to lose weight and learn to eat properly for the rest of your life. It is working well for me and many others on the plan. If skipping meals works for you ... great... but it is not a healthy way to lose weight.
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Oct 19, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
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Hey Guys!
Today is a stellar day for me!
I'm almost giddy...from reading other posts on here I (this week) have begun taking my weight on two days per week; the first day and then the mid-week day.
I weighed myself last Wednesday (mid-week day) and had lost 1.5 pounds since the first-day weigh-in on the previous Sunday. I was REALLY excited.
So, today was my first-day weigh-in day. Just got off the scale and am down ANOTHER 2 pounds! I'm elated! WOOHOO!
I've been working closely with Shannon and she's given me some really great advice and direction. Thanks so much Shannon!
I've definitely also had my "down" times and didn't stick to my nutrition program or my exercise program very strictly. That being said...I've also never intentionally just pitched it all out the window either.
I bought a great cookbook, Cooking Light, at Wal-Mart two weeks ago with the intention of getting in the habit of preparing good, quality meals. If I don't, I know I will get bored quickly with just baked protein, & |