"McCain to the Podium" HIGHLIGHTS FROM McCAIN.... Change any Minds?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 05, 2008 3:04 AM GMT
    Interesting speech.. Liked the introduction, the "hecklers" made it lively.
    Didn't care much for the "Palin woman" acknowledgement.

    I kept thinking.. with the disaster Bush has created, what is he going to say to convince someone to possibly support him for another 4 years???

    His Vietman service all should appreciate. He emphasized how he is still fighting.. hmmm various people. Many of his Iraq references and assertions
    I disagreed with, but he did have some good points regarding self conviction
    and getting things done.

    His concerns for individuals and his references were good I thought.
    "Back to Basics" for the Republicans??? I wonder, it doesn't seem so .. yet. And "back to values"... Values, hmmm.

    Opening new markets?? Obama will close them (what?)
    Obama will "spend" more money, he will spend less??? Hard to imagine.

    The "support" commentary regarding displaced workers in this economy
    sounded nice, but no specifics... no plans.

    He threw a token comment regarding education and energy (OMG, alternative energy from the Republicans... and "restore the health of our planet"??)

    Overall, nice speech and the "War" reference at the end was powerful
    as were his "bipartisan" overtures....
    He didn't get as much applause as I had thought he would. Good man, but my vote remains with Obama.

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:41 AM GMT
    I almost cried for him when he was talking about his buddies in prison. I expected him to cry. I was surprised he didn't, and I spent the rest of time thinking, if he had cried he'd win the election.

    Now I'm feeling cynical. Couldn't he have an onion "fluffer" helping him cry?
  • kinetic

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:44 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI almost cried for him when he was talking about his buddies in prison. I expected him to cry. I was surprised he didn't, and I spent the rest of time thinking, if he had cried he'd win the election.

    Now I'm feeling cynical. Couldn't he have an onion "fluffer" helping him cry?


    I can't help but be a cynic. All these speeches are just hot air. He's trying to win.
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    Sep 05, 2008 7:01 AM GMT
    The funniest part was all the talk about "ending partisan rancor" coming TWENTY FOUR HOURS after Giuliani and Caribou Barbie's speeches about how evil Democrats are. I mean, you can't make this shit UP.
  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 05, 2008 9:21 AM GMT
    I fell asleep.
  • MuslDrew

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    Sep 05, 2008 10:13 AM GMT
    Joe Scarborough, host of MSNBC's Morning Joe and a former Republican US Congressman from Fla just commented on the volume of convention attendees that were checking out of their hotels and heading to the airports yesterday morning/afternoon. Quite a few weren't staying for McCains acceptance speech. It was noticed the lines were visibly shorter last night than they were Wednesday night. The impression being shared is that it was palin's convention.
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    Sep 05, 2008 11:00 AM GMT
    It's all Bullshit. Political jargon to get elected...and that's it. Stop with the Vietnam references....I get it already; it's not changing my views of him and he's not getting my sympathy vote. He's old, he's wrinkled...and so are his ideas. He'll probably croak before his term and them we have the "Mother, Moose Killer, Maverick" to deal with. Oh joy!
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 05, 2008 12:00 PM GMT
    How high and pious McCain makes himself to be.

    In his introduction video, there was a narrator who suggested that his survival in an attack in Vietnam, thus beating the odds as the sole survivor of the attack, could only be explained that he is called to do more.

    Then in McCain's speech, he says, "I'm not running for President because I think that I am blessed with such personal greatness, that history has annointed me to save our country in its hour of need."

    Okay, is there a contradiction in that one statement alone? If you were "annointed", wouldn't you be blessed with "personal greatness"? I think Jesus Christ, the Annointed One, was blessed with personal greatness. What a sanctimonious and blasphemous @ss!


    His quote can be found at this clip at the 12:48 mark.


    "Your own...Personal....Jesus." Depeche Mode
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 05, 2008 12:08 PM GMT



    My second favorite part of last night's convention.
  • coolarmydude

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    Sep 05, 2008 12:14 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/05/andrea-mitchell-attacked_n_124124.html


    My favorite part of last night.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 05, 2008 12:36 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said


    My second favorite part of last night's convention.



    You can only imagine what some of them are saying off camera, if this was said on camera.

    I think his story about the POW camp needs to be looked at further. There is a Veterans group that is stating that he stayed in the camp longer than he actually had to. His father, a high ranking officer at the time, had negotiated his release, but they decided if might look bad if he was released before others, so for his career he decided to stay.
  • Aquanerd

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    Sep 05, 2008 1:28 PM GMT
    Koaa2 said
    coolarmydude said


    My second favorite part of last night's convention.



    You can only imagine what some of them are saying off camera, if this was said on camera.

    I think his story about the POW camp needs to be looked at further. There is a Veterans group that is stating that he stayed in the camp longer than he actually had to. His father, a high ranking officer at the time, had negotiated his release, but they decided if might look bad if he was released before others, so for his career he decided to stay.


    You are absolutely correct. But don't get excited that "the truth" will get out like the "Swift Boats" were able to do with Kerry's "purple Heart Stories. "But McCain's is not a "story." And it has been documented at length, by many groups. If you look at just about any retelling of his time in the Hanoi Hilton, he was told that he had been told that he was free to leave, but he replied that he was not leaving with out the other prisoners. From that point on his beating became more intense.

    I am not a huge fan of McCain's. The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill has always blocked any chance of that for me. But I can respect his service to this country. But any "MoveOn'er" salivating over the thought for a "Swift Boat" group is going to be disappointed.

    This year has developed in to a very frustrating year. Usually I had the Libertarian Candidate to vote for. This year the Libertarians an the Republicans flip flopped on Candidates. Former Libertarian Presidential Candidate ran in the Republican Primary, and the Libertarians have put up former Republican Congressman from Georgia, Bob Barr (for you Democrats; check into his part in the Bill Clinton Impeachment Hearings.)

    Did McCain have a chance of changing anyone's mind last night? No Way! The way sides have been drawn in this country, there are three Groups. The 40-45% Republican Cool-Aid Drinkers, the 40--45% Democrat Cool-Aid Drinkers; and the 10-20% Flip-Flopper's. The only way that McCain would convert an Demos leaning Moderate would be to say something that would piss of the Republicans. Obama is in the same place with the Democrats.

    McCain has spend the last 8 years pissing off Bush on a number of issues, but the Media is letting everyone forget that in order to help out the Obama Campaign's message of "Hope" that you will believe that McCain will be 4 more years of Bush.

    Mark my words. If you are voting for Obama because you believe him when you say that he will get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, be prepared to ask the question, why are we still there when Obama is running for re-election. I don't know where the 2012 Democratic Convention will be but it will my the 68 Convention in Chicago look like a Garden Party!

    Hey Coolarmydude, I and everyone else your debt! Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for serving Our Country.
  • Barricade

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    Sep 05, 2008 1:54 PM GMT
    When I look at McCain, he still makes me uneasy. I still see Bush when I look at him. Perhaps between now and November he can change that for himself. Alot of talk about security and such, but diplomacy doesn't seem like its gonna be one of his strengths. If the US gets in another conflict it's gonna be because he has further strained foreign relations and not improved them.
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    Sep 05, 2008 1:59 PM GMT
    Muahaha, I LOVE the Caribou Barbie moniker! I did a Google search on that term, and stumbled upon this story about Carol McCain, the former Mrs. McCain.

    The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    Gotta love those family values.
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    Sep 05, 2008 2:10 PM GMT
    I caught some of his speech in the gym today and it sounded like a huge heap of crap to me
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    Sep 05, 2008 2:42 PM GMT
    yes - nicely put - ugh it was horrible, like so much rotting flesh giving off this sicky sweet smell
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 05, 2008 2:46 PM GMT
    jprichva saidThe funniest part was all the talk about "ending partisan rancor" coming TWENTY FOUR HOURS after Giuliani and Caribou Barbie's speeches about how evil Democrats are. I mean, you can't make this shit UP.



    I truly believe that a President McCain will reach across the aisle and work hard for bipartisanship on all sorts of levels. I even think his cabinet may consist of some democrats
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    Sep 05, 2008 2:52 PM GMT
    The Christian Mullahs will have none of that and he knows it.
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    Sep 05, 2008 2:53 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    jprichva saidThe funniest part was all the talk about "ending partisan rancor" coming TWENTY FOUR HOURS after Giuliani and Caribou Barbie's speeches about how evil Democrats are. I mean, you can't make this shit UP.



    I truly believe that a President McCain will reach across the aisle and work hard for bipartisanship on all sorts of levels. I even think his cabinet may consist of some democrats


    I think the same can be said of President Obama. I'll say it again. Obama inspires hope, greatness and reconciliation.


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    Sep 05, 2008 2:53 PM GMT
    CuriousjackAz, I think he will try and work with democrats as well. His view of change though is changing the process of politics. I just wish he would also modify some of his policies. His initial view that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible was dead on. I want the old deficit hawk John McCain back! And no, cutting fat out of government is not going to balance the books (they should be doing that anyways), the gap is way to big. Even if the expenditures on Iraq start disappearing soon, health care and an aging population will quickly eat up the savings. Perhaps a revisit of medicare and medicaid is on the horizon, as well as the hugely expensive drug bill?

    Also maybe John McCain, if he is elected, will come out and state what he really thinks about same-sex marriage (I personally don't think he is violently opposed, unlike Mr. Bush).
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 05, 2008 3:31 PM GMT
    dudeswithbeards said lol,, you are funny.. mccain like bush will be a puppet of the radical right.



    Why would he start being that now? John McCain will have nothing to lose by doing things boldly, reaching out to democrats, and really shaking things up in Washington. McCain has built his career on this sort of bipartisanship at great risk to his own personal presidential aspirations. I doubt he plans on running for a 2nd term, and because of that he will likely try some bold changes. Like it or not, there has not been a candidate, in my lifetime anyway, that was as deserving or qualified as this great American. His choice of Sarah Palin, while admittedly bold, speaks volumes of his ability to take risks and think out of the box. John McCain delivered last night what was likely the least partisan convention speech in the history of Republicans. No, he isn't the eloquent speaker Obama is, but then Obama isn't the man that McCain is. I'll take substance over style any day.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidHis choice of Sarah Palin, while admittedly bold, speaks volumes of his ability to take risks and think out of the box. John McCain delivered last night what was likely the least partisan convention speech in the history of Republicans.
    I think his choice of Palin speaks of one thing: He knew the he was behind, and needed the extra votes so he went with a right winger (religious wise) to get that right wing religious vote. The religious,with bush, already felt slighted and disillusioned with Republican party. People like James Dobson already said they would not vote McCain under any circumstances.
    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2007/apr/16/20070416-121915-3405r/
    Palin seems to win those people back

    There are two problems with that:
    1)if he ends up pandering to them .. then he will help the agenda of pushing religious groups who like their "rights" so much they don't care it they take away everyone else. McCain could do this most notably by appointing future supreme court justices with a religious slant like Scalia (who if he had it his way, gay sex would still be illegal in many states)

    2)He could just be shitting them to get their votes and run. That would speak volumes in a bad way. It would mean he is insincere and untrustworthy.

    As far as Palin, I just don't want someone that is going to be justifying important issues or actions by saying it is the will of God
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html , and the rest of our allies probably don't want that either. It does nothing good for our foreign relations.
  • Aquanerd

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:17 PM GMT

    Also maybe John McCain, if he is elected, will come out and state what he really thinks about same-sex marriage (I personally don't think he is violently opposed, unlike Mr. Bush).[/quote]

    I'm sorry, exactly how has Bush violently opposed same-sex marriage?
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:21 PM GMT
    those republicans sure am good at using the google from the world wide internets.

    NOT THAT GREEN BACKGROUND AGAIN
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    dudeswithbeards said


    how can you honestly believe that the Republican Party will not be in control of his policies.... if john mccain were a true mavereick, he would have picked someone he wanted to be vice president.. but no , he chose someone he had only met twice.. is that doing things boldy.. or stupidly. she is at opposition of him on major issues, drilling in alaska,, and pork barrell spending... so what do you think of the fact that gove palin kept the $237million dollars that was originally meant for the "bridge to nowhere"? .. wouldnt a wise canidate have chosen someone who believe like mccain, that earmarks and pork barrell spending of federal dollars should not be in the hand of state govenors and senators.? but no.. the maverick seems to have pandered to the right or had someone else make the selection for him.. either way, i dont want either type of person running my life and my country.

    please, give me your opinion about the hundreds of millions of federal money that gov palin, the fiscal conservative..lmoa.. took from the people of america.



    I'm not going to respond to much of what you said because it was a lot of lib left propaganda that you are obviously falling for than actual fact.

    However, regarding McCain choosing who he wanted as V.P., you or I don't know WHO he really wanted -- that would all be up to speculation at this point unless you are actually inside the McCain circle. Yes, I know there is lots of rumor out there that he wanted Joe Lieberman, and perhaps that's true. The point is, it doesn't really matter WHO he wanted at the end of the day if that person could not help him win. The fact of the matter is, he chose someone who has not only thrown this whole election on it's ear, and energized the whole Republican party like they haven't been in years, but he chose someone who actually might help him win the election. At the end of the day, McCain can't do what he wants to do as President if he doesn't win the election -- regardless of who he may have wanted as his V.P. That all being said, in true "maverick" style McCain made a bold and brave selection in Palin, an enormously risky move that could have backfired (and, who knows it still could) in a big way. I love that he surprised everybody with this choice, and that he thought out of the box and, more important, outside of Washington with this choice. It brings a fresh approach and new vitality to his campaign that, frankly, was sorely needed.