Minnesota Marriage Amendment

  • motivated

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    Nov 06, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    Hoping that at this time tomorrow I will still be proud to live in the great state of MInnesota. The marriage amendment is a very close race right now. Everyone encourage your friends and family to get out and vote NO!!
  • SoDakGuy

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    Nov 06, 2012 3:20 PM GMT
    I did my civic duty!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 06, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    I do my civic duty too! (Except in PA)
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    Nov 06, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    I'm so jealous of the people that live in those 4 states. You have an opportunity to make history and change lives. I wish all of you well and make sure to get out the vote.

    However the rights of minorities should never be put up for a vote by the majority.
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    Nov 06, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidI'm so jealous of the people that live in those 4 states. You have an opportunity to make history and change lives. I wish all of you well and make sure to get out the vote.

    However the rights of minorities should never be put up for a vote by the majority.


    Agreed. Normally I am an optimist but I doubt my state, South Carolina, will be allowing this to happen anytime soon. :/
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 06, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    I just voted NO!!!icon_biggrin.gif

    (I've also had a "vote no" sign on my lawn for the past month.)
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 06, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    msuNtxI'm so jealous of the people that live in those 4 states.


    You could always come up north, to Minnesota.icon_redface.gif

    On the plus side, global warming has made this formerly frigid state into one of the more moderate ones.icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    msuNtxI'm so jealous of the people that live in those 4 states.


    You could always come up north, to Minnesota.icon_redface.gif

    On the plus side, global warming has made this formerly frigid state into one of the more moderate ones.icon_confused.gif


    Right? Last winter I felt like I was in the twilight zone. I kept asking everyone if they found the weather a bit alarming and they were just delighted by the warmth. >_>

    Anyway, my sister and I voted 'No' for both *cough* bullshit *cough* amendments at 8 this morning!

    Go go!
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    Why is something that is "a basic human civil right" being put up for a state vote?
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:56 PM GMT
    Just voted NO!!!!!!! Hell yaaaaaa it feels SO good icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidWhy is something that is "a basic human civil right" being put up for a state vote?


    Well, I guess once Mitty gets in and does away with gay marriage via constitutional amendment States won't be able to allow gay marriage anyway, right SouthBeach? icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:07 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    DontQuoteMe saidWhy is something that is "a basic human civil right" being put up for a state vote?


    Well, I guess once Mitty gets in and does away with gay marriage via constitutional amendment States won't be able to allow gay marriage anyway, right SouthBeach? icon_lol.gif


    But that's not true and you know it.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 06, 2012 7:12 PM GMT
    running11 saidJust voted NO!!!!!!! Hell yaaaaaa it feels SO good icon_smile.gif


    Hey, I didn't realize you were in Minnesota!!!!!icon_surprised.gif

    Hurray, for "No" votes!
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles said
    meninlove said
    DontQuoteMe saidWhy is something that is "a basic human civil right" being put up for a state vote?


    Well, I guess once Mitty gets in and does away with gay marriage via constitutional amendment States won't be able to allow gay marriage anyway, right SouthBeach? icon_lol.gif


    But that's not true and you know it.


    How do you mean?
    Mitty,
    "Says he will “champion” a constitutional amendment “defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman.” He has also promised to appoint an attorney general who will “defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA),” a law the Obama administration has stopped backing in court."

    You forget, Mock, our country has laws about the news lying; unlike the US, they can't.

    Now your SouthBeach buddy here, DQM has said on another topic that it shouldn't be up to the States and I notice you're very conveniently giving him a pass, even though you have been extremely vocal that it should be the States and NOT the Feds that decide.
  • Koaa2

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    Nov 06, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidWhy is something that is "a basic human civil right" being put up for a state vote?


    Beacuse the party you support has a bunch of crazies in it, who can't let people live their own lives!

    Born in Duluth, hope it goes your way.
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    mocktwinkles said
    meninlove said
    DontQuoteMe saidWhy is something that is "a basic human civil right" being put up for a state vote?


    Well, I guess once Mitty gets in and does away with gay marriage via constitutional amendment States won't be able to allow gay marriage anyway, right SouthBeach? icon_lol.gif


    But that's not true and you know it.


    How do you mean?
    Mitty,
    "Says he will “champion” a constitutional amendment “defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman.” He has also promised to appoint an attorney general who will “defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA),” a law the Obama administration has stopped backing in court."

    You forget, Mock, our country has laws about the news lying; unlike the US, they can't.

    Now your SouthBeach buddy here, DQM has said on another topic that it shouldn't be up to the States and I notice you're very conveniently giving him a pass, even though you have been extremely vocal that it should be the States and NOT the Feds that decide.


    You're pretending that a constitutional amendment would prevent states from allowing gay marriage if they accept it. Mitt & Ryan, nor any mainstream Republican, not even crazy bitches like Michelle Bachmann, would overturn state rights.

    The issue of marriage equality will be decided in the courts, SCOTUS and in states. Everything else the candidates say is more or less red meat for a particular base they need for votes.
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidI'm so jealous of the people that live in those 4 states. You have an opportunity to make history and change lives. I wish all of you well and make sure to get out the vote.

    However the rights of minorities should never be put up for a vote by the majority.


    Don't be too jealous of us. The amendment here in MN is to effectively BAN gay marriage, not approve it. That's why voting "no" on it is so important.
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
    I'm not pretending anything Mock; it's all over the news, everywhere, and has been for some time.

    Now I suggest you address DQM who disagrees with you completely that it should be left to the States. And DQM also says that the courts will not decide as the feds cannot take it to the courts.
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    meninlove said I'm not pretending anything Mock; it's all over the news, everywhere, and has been for some time.

    Now I suggest you address DQM who disagrees with you completely that it should be left to the States. And DQM also says that the courts will not decide as the feds cannot take it to the courts.


    Both Mitt and Barack believe states should decide the issue. I'll give the gay rights edge obviously over to Obama because he finally decided to support gay marriage and oppose DOMA. Like I said, almost every Republican does not believe in overturning states that choose to accept Gay marriage equality. They've been asked and they have answered.
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    Nov 06, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
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    meninlove said I'm not pretending anything Mock; it's all over the news, everywhere, and has been for some time.

    Now I suggest you address DQM who disagrees with you completely that it should be left to the States. And DQM also says that the courts will not decide as the feds cannot take it to the courts.


    Both Mitt and Barack believe states should decide the issue. I'll give the gay rights edge obviously over to Obama because he finally decided to support gay marriage and oppose DOMA. Like I said, almost every Republican does not believe in overturning states that choose to accept Gay marriage equality. They've been asked and they have answered.


    No Mock, our news cannot lie; yours can. Mitt wants a federal change that will force all States to comply. Good grief, google some news outside of US sources. He's also signed the NOM pledge which will be used to the fullest public extent possible by NOM once Mitt gets in. He was an idiot to sign it. (and guess who else signed it?)

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    Nov 06, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    Chris Kluwe's been a great spokeman for Minnesota's Marriage Equality & here is the reasoning for his vote today!


    'I'm not a big fan of politics. Never have been, never will be.

    My ideal world is one in which people are educated enough to realize that if you treat other people the way you want to be treated and respect other people's right to be different than you, we don't really need that much in the way of government (here's a hint—long-term sustainability and truly enlightened self-interest cover almost all your bases).

    I also believe that our current political system is broken. There's too much money involved and too many vested interests content with keeping power in the hands of those who can afford to buy it. Our two-party system leads to factionalism and petty squabbling while leaving little room for alternate viewpoints and opinions.

    That said, I'll reluctantly be voting for President Obama today. It's not through any great hope that he'll fix all the problems plaguing our society (he's done a decent job on the economy and health care, and a pretty pisspoor job on human rights and concentrating more power into the executive branch), but rather through the realization that Mitt Romney stands for everything government should not be about.

    Mitt Romney has publicly said that he wants to control what women do with their bodies, whether that be through shutting down funding for Planned Parenthood or removing contraceptive options from public health care. To me that smacks of misogyny and a return to a male-dominated culture with no thought of women's rights, as well as the intrusion of government into the private lives of its citizens.

    As men, we've historically treated women badly, whether it's been through physical abuse, refusing to compensate women fairly or just plain being dicks—only because we happen to have one. It's only lately that we've made strides in recognizing that, while women may be different than men physically and emotionally, both sexes deserve the same chance to succeed and flourish in life, free from the domination of someone else.

    I'm not cool with someone saying that half our population is less worthy of freedom than the other half, just because they happen to have boobs (I like boobs and they should be free!). I think people should treat others the way they want to be treated, and I can guarantee you that Mitt Romney would be all up in arms if someone told him how he had to live his reproductive life, so he should recognize that other people deserve the right to live their own lives as well.

    I also don't like Romney's views toward other nations. It's very easy to get a cheap surge of nationalistic pride by saying, "We're going to be tough on other nations! We're going to show China who's boss! We're not going to take anything from anybody!" but that kind of thinking is just some false bullsh*t machismo, and it ultimately leads to conflict and war.

    War—if you'll recall—is one of the reasons why our economy is tanking so badly right now. We spent a lot of money traveling to someone else's house (to blow it up), and so far we have little to show for all that expense.

    Finally, I don't like Romney's ideas that privatizing everything will solve our problems. Currently, over 90% of the wealth in this country is owned by less than 10% of the population, and privatizing essential social services will only make that worse. When you hand the people with power more power, they are frequently not that great at making sure things get done in a way that benefits everyone equally.

    There are certain services that only the government should provide, that only the government can provide, because there's no incentive to do them well if you market to the lowest bidder.

    And that, dear readers, is why I'm reluctantly voting for Obama this election. Not because I think he's the best choice (he's not—Gary Johnson or Jill Stein would be far better, but a vote for them is, sadly, a vote wasted), but because he's the lesser of two available evils.

    Obama will at least entertain the idea that people should be free to live their own lives if they're women or poor or gay. Mitt simply will not, and I think that's a distinctly un-American viewpoint to have in this day and age.





  • Suetonius

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    Nov 06, 2012 8:04 PM GMT
    Waiting to see the results . 1 would think that if all those farmers in and around Lake Wobegon could acccept a female Minister, they could be polite enough not to notice some male-male couples in their midst. I always thought that Minnesotans had a live and let live attitude about others. I guess I might have confused them with people from the state to the north of them.
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    Nov 06, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    running11 saidJust voted NO!!!!!!! Hell yaaaaaa it feels SO good icon_smile.gif


    Hey, I didn't realize you were in Minnesota!!!!!icon_surprised.gif

    Hurray, for "No" votes!


    Yeah for voting duh!!!! Not missing that opportunity lol
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    Nov 06, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
    Suetonius saidWaiting to see the results . 1 would think that if all those farmers in and around Lake Wobegon could acccept a female Minister, they could be polite enough not to notice some male-male couples in their midst. I always thought that Minnesotans had a live and let live attitude about others. I guess I might have confused them with people from the state to the north of them.


    Lake Wobegon is a fictional place, you have to go west of here to find the "live and let live" attitude and there is no state to the north of us, but there is a great country named Canada up there.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 06, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
    mplsmike said
    Suetonius saidWaiting to see the results . 1 would think that if all those farmers in and around Lake Wobegon could acccept a female Minister, they could be polite enough not to notice some male-male couples in their midst. I always thought that Minnesotans had a live and let live attitude about others. I guess I might have confused them with people from the state to the north of them.


    Lake Wobegon is a fictional place, you have to go west of here to find the "live and let live" attitude and there is no state to the north of us, but there is a great country named Canada up there.


    I wonder how Garrison Keillor is voting.....


    (p.s. I have sleezy gay dirt on him, if comes up.icon_wink.gif )