CERN's 'Big Bang' experiment

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    Sep 05, 2008 12:37 PM GMT
    I am not sure if any of you heard about this, but according to Reuters, CERN( European Organisation for Nuclear Research) is about to conduct an experiment that would recreate the 'Big Bang' that created universe 15 billion years ago.
    Here's an extract from Reuters article:
    ...Lyn Evans of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) said weekend trials in the vast underground LHC machine in which the particle-smashing experiment will take place over the coming months and years "went without a hitch".

    "We look forward to a resounding success when we make our first attempt to send a beam all the way round the LHC," said Evans, who heads the multinational team of scientists that shaped the project and the machine, the Large Hadron Collider.

    The final tests involved pumping a single bunch of energy particles from the project's accelerator into the 27-km (17-mile) beam pipe of the collider and steering them counter- clockwise around it for about 3 kms (2 miles).

    Earlier in the month a clockwise trial in the LHC -- which runs deep under French and Swiss territory between the Jura mountains and Lake Geneva -- had been equally successful, CERN said.

    More on:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSLP70881820080825?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10003


    However, scientists in Austria, Germany and Switzerland say that this experiment will create a huge amount of energy that would create a black hole and suck in the whole planet within the next 4 years.

    What do you think about it? Is this experiment really worth it?
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    Sep 05, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
    Well, if you have to go, you might as well go with style.

    Do you have a link to whatever article or publication that mentions the black hole?
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    Sep 05, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    Sorry, here's the the link for the Black hole:
    http://www.sanescience.org/
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:02 PM GMT
    I've been wondering about that since I watched a documentary on CERN back in the 80s. If breaking apart molecules releases a lot of energy, then breaking apart atoms releases even more energy, what would breaking apart pieces of atoms do?

    I don't like it but there's nothing we can do about it.



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    Sep 05, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    Here's another article on it - maybe a little more rational.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7468966.stm
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    Sep 05, 2008 5:46 PM GMT
    All I know is that they are playing with something without knowing the consequences of their actions.
    Here's a short vieo that sums their experiment up:
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    Sep 05, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    Yep, I'm sure that this organization, comprised of some of the world's top scientists, is embarking on this project without considering its implications.

    Thankfully, some dudes are trying to stop this via lawsuit. Yay. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/science/29collider.html?fta=y
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    Sep 05, 2008 5:54 PM GMT
    Yes, science journalism is appallingly bad.
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    Sep 05, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
    I need to learn more about micro black holes, I think I'm losing gym socks to them when I do my laundry.

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:07 PM GMT
    Your socks are being stolen by Democrats John.

    John43620 saidI need to learn more about micro black holes, I think I'm losing gym socks to them when I do my laundry.

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    Oh, jeez...relax. The sanescience.org site is a bunch of kooks, and this last video by the lhcdefense.org cites "critics," like they're credible scientists, from an AOL survey...which you can take when you click on a link.

    When the scientists say they don't know what will happen, it is not the same thing as saying that they haven't researched it fully and have no idea what result to expect. Scientists use "uncertain" to mean something completely different than what the layperson thinks it means.

    For the layperson, a black hole is a point in space where matter has collapsed to a dimensionless singularity. There is no more mass in the singularity than when it began as a speck of matter. So, additional matter is not "sucked in."

    A tiny black hole created by a collision--and the scientists are guessing, maybe even hoping one will be created--lives for a brief fraction of a second, an immeasurable amount of time less than what would allow this singularity to interact with the air in the collider, much less the collider or the earth itself. They will have to surmise its existence solely from the decay of particles in its vicinity. The earth is not in danger.

    Black holes in space are dangerous because they weigh many times the mass of our sun (and the ones in the centers of galaxies are millions and billions of times the mass of our sun), they rotate space-time, accrete matter and heat it to unimaginable temperatures
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:18 PM GMT
    8 billion dollars

    That's a very expensive science project
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:22 PM GMT
    No fuckin way, you switch that mo-fo on and its back-to-the-future baby, we're all gonna get sucked through the hole in John's sock and into an alternate dimension where Dick Nixon is the Catholic Pope and pumpernickel bread will cost a million dollars a slice. I haven't slept in weeks (or is it eons - I can't really tell) since I read that article.

    Fox Mulder

    mickeytopogigio saidOh, jeez...relax. The sanescience.org site is a bunch of kooks, and this last video by the lhcdefense.org cites "critics," like they're credible scientists, from an AOL survey...which you can take when you click on a link.

    When the scientists say they don't know what will happen, it is not the same thing as saying that they haven't researched it fully and have no idea what result to expect. Scientists use "uncertain" to mean something completely different than what the layperson thinks it means.

    For the layperson, a black hole is a point in space where matter has collapsed to a dimensionless singularity. There is no more mass in the singularity than when it began as a speck of matter. So, additional matter is not "sucked in."

    A tiny black hole created by a collision--and the scientists are guessing, maybe even hoping one will be created--lives for a brief fraction of a second, an immeasurable amount of time less than what would allow this singularity to interact with the air in the collider, much less the collider or the earth itself. They will have to surmise its existence solely from the decay of particles in its vicinity. The earth is not in danger.

    Black holes in space are dangerous because they weigh many times the mass of our sun (and the ones in the centers of galaxies are millions and billions of times the mass of our sun), they rotate space-time, accrete matter and heat it to unimaginable temperatures
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:27 PM GMT
    Get back in bed, Fox.

    -Scully
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:39 PM GMT
    Hot damn, I thought you'd never ask.

    mickeytopogigio saidGet back in bed, Fox.

    -Scully
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:45 PM GMT
    ursamajor saidHot damn, I thought you'd never ask.

    Ask? I did not say, "Would you like to get back in bed, Fox?" I thought I was more forceful.
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:46 PM GMT
    SIR, yes SIR
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Ma'am, yes, ma'am. Say it.

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    Sep 05, 2008 6:54 PM GMT
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:58 PM GMT
    There, that's better. Now rub my tummy and tell me about the bad, bad men again.
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    Sep 05, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    It all started with a power crazed Arizona realtor (is that redundant?), a flipped-out debutante on crack cocaine, and an alien corpse recovered from Sed's basement lab.....................
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    Sep 05, 2008 7:13 PM GMT
    You two are good together. I pronounced myself fully entertained.
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    Sep 09, 2008 6:25 AM GMT
    Oh great! Well, if I hear a BIG BANG, it was nice knowin' y'all icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 09, 2008 6:27 AM GMT
    Well, if there is a big bang you won't hear it. If you do hear a big bang it is likely the Scottsdale real-estate market.
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    Sep 09, 2008 6:35 AM GMT
    This is just screaming for a thread-jump to Caslon's survival preparedness post.

    Oh, here I go: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/281794/