Same-sex marriage wins first-ever ballot box approval

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    Nov 07, 2012 12:26 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/pol-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2_6

    Waiting for Wash state and Minnesota.
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    Nov 07, 2012 1:01 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/minnesota-amendment-1-results-2012_n_2050310.html

    HuffPoIn a historic sweep, all four states -- Maine, Maryland, Minnesota and Washington -- that had measures or amendments regarding same-sex marriage on their ballots voted for marriage equality, or in the case of Minnesota, against constitutionally limiting the definition of marriage.


    Congrats to "The Four"! http://thefour2012.com/
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    Nov 07, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    Anybody remember the pit-in-the-stomach feeling when Prop 8 passed in '08: "Yes We Can, But NO, YOU CAN'T!" ? Celebrations abound without the hangover in 2012! How far we've come! A lot of people worked tirelessly to make these victories happen. DOMA Repeal up next!
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    Nov 07, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    Great news during all of this
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    Nov 07, 2012 1:11 PM GMT
    This is indeed fantastic!!
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    Nov 07, 2012 2:31 PM GMT



    Yahoooooooooooo!!


    What always puzzles me is that you'd think marriage for gays would be embraced by a Conservative agenda.

    Marriage has often been touted as way to 'make them kids decent' as per shot-gun wedding etc, LOL, so you'd think getting marriage in for gays 'to make 'em respectable n all n take some gawdamm responsibility' would be exactly what a true conservative would want.
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    Nov 07, 2012 3:17 PM GMT
    meninlove said Yahoooooooooooo!!
    What always puzzles me is that you'd think marriage for gays would be embraced by a Conservative agenda.

    Marriage has often been touted as way to 'make them kids decent' as per shot-gun wedding etc, LOL, so you'd think getting marriage in for gays 'to make 'em respectable n all n take some gawdamm responsibility' would be exactly what a true conservative would want.
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    I think that's what the 'people' believe but I think that they've been brain washed by the conservative religious because of the word 'marriage'. Getting people to understand that marriage is a legal societal term for a legal union and not exclusive to a sacramental union has proven to be very difficult. It actually requires that you think for yourself, do some homework and figure out what's going on rather than getting your information from the 'bully pulpit' at the front of your local religious establishment.
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    Nov 07, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    Yay for equality!!

    I hope the Republicans get the message and remove discrimination against LGBTQI people from their platform. It's about time.
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    Nov 07, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    meninlove said Yahoooooooooooo!!
    What always puzzles me is that you'd think marriage for gays would be embraced by a Conservative agenda.

    Marriage has often been touted as way to 'make them kids decent' as per shot-gun wedding etc, LOL, so you'd think getting marriage in for gays 'to make 'em respectable n all n take some gawdamm responsibility' would be exactly what a true conservative would want.
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    I think that's what the 'people' believe but I think that they've been brain washed by the conservative religious because of the word 'marriage'. Getting people to understand that marriage is a legal societal term for a legal union and not exclusive to a sacramental union has proven to be very difficult. It actually requires that you think for yourself, do some homework and figure out what's going on rather than getting your information from the 'bully pulpit' at the front of your local religious establishment.


    I agree with ^. You have lunatics on the right parroting Biblical verses and saying that "culture" and "custom" prevent them from finding same-sex marriage acceptable. Marriage is a civil institution, and two loving adult citizens who happen to be of the same gender should have every right to become spouses in the eyes of the law. Whether or not a church or temple welcomes their religious wedding is of secondary importance.

    Really glad about Maine and Maryland, and happy to see that the country is moving FORWARD after the gay rights nightmare that was the Bush years.
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    Nov 07, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    Since our governor is a Democrat and the State Legislature is now controlled by Democrats again, there is already talk this morning about legalizing gay marriage here in Minnesota.
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    Nov 07, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
    themachine saidYay for equality!!

    I hope the Republicans get the message and remove discrimination against LGBTQI people from their platform. It's about time.


    Extactly
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    Nov 07, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
    This is the best news in the longest...

    Lets celebrate...

    Yet the criticism goes on tomorrow.
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    Nov 07, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    My faith in humanity is somewhat restored. So happy and thankful for the hard work and dedication of all of the people who helped make this a reality!
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    Nov 07, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    motivated saidMy faith in humanity is somewhat restored. So happy and thankful for the hard work and dedication of all of the people who helped make this a reality!


    Indeed! I'm very proud of this country!
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    Nov 07, 2012 5:46 PM GMT
    i'm happy, but it's kinda like congratulating someone on not beating their wife

    "yay, you resisted the urge to further codify bigotry...aren't you just wonderful"

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    Nov 07, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    The way to look at it is, the previous 30-plus times (36?) marriage equality was put up for a popular vote, it lost.

    Last night, we got not only our first win, but a four-state streak. That's with the Vatican and NOM fighting tooth and nail at every turn. That's with the first potential American voter born after sodomy laws were nationally struck down (Lawrence v. Texas) still not ready to enter middle school.

    Remember: "LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!!"? So, how much longer will we hear that refrain from the righties? "Will of the People, baby!" icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 07, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Oh yay, one for our side
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    RedWhiteBlue saidi'm happy, but it's kinda like congratulating someone on not beating their wife

    "yay, you resisted the urge to further codify bigotry...aren't you just wonderful"

    This is kind of how I feel. I'm kind of scared that it,only passed in Washington by 52%.


    Likewise (only I'm not scared; I'm pissed)

    I find such voting to be somewhat less disgusting but just about as humiliating as a down vote. Fuck their vote. How fucking distorted a sense of reality for someone to think they get to decide on someone else's humanity. Fuck them. We've already got enough science on the subject. Their vote is nothing more than a scorecard, an expensive poll of their opinion of the truth. Fuck their opinion. You can try to hide the truth but you can't hide from it. Our truth is already known. Give us our rights, you assholes.

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    Nov 07, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
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    RedWhiteBlue saidi'm happy, but it's kinda like congratulating someone on not beating their wife

    "yay, you resisted the urge to further codify bigotry...aren't you just wonderful"

    This is kind of how I feel. I'm kind of scared that it,only passed in Washington by 52%.


    Really, it's no worse than Loving vs Virginia, and when the Supreme Court abolished bans to interracial marriage nationwide in 1967; the majority of the population STILL thought it wrong until 1991.

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    Nov 07, 2012 6:32 PM GMT

    Now Trollileo lives in the most cutting-edge place in North America.

    True equality for gays, marriage, and legal recreational marijuana. The tax revenues and license revenues, tourism, service and travel revenues as well as taxes from both new rights will provide a financial windfall for the businesses and gov't there that will be somewhat (understatement) eye-opening, lol!
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    Nov 07, 2012 6:33 PM GMT
    I think a number of posters are seeing this wrong. It is a VICTORY and shows we finally have majority support. And what this is doing is telling the fundies to keep their hatred at home and off our laws.

    Equal marriage 4

    Bigots 32 (but they are now the losers)

    CONGRATS to all the hard workers in MA, ME, MN and WA!!!

    mplsmike, that is great news!
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    Nov 07, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    blackhawksfan saidI think a number of posters are seeing this wrong. It is a VICTORY and shows we finally have majority support. And what this is doing is telling the fundies to keep their hatred at home and off our laws.

    Equal marriage 4

    Bigots 32 (but they are now the losers)

    CONGRATS to all the hard workers in MA, ME, MN and WA!!!

    mplsmike, that is great news!


    No, sorry, we don't see it wrong. The sauce doesn't fool us. We see it for the tripe it is.

    When did citizen voting ever decide interracial marriage for the country (see meninlove's post above). How about civil rights for African Americans? How about Women's Suffrage?

    This is nothing but a scorecard at best, more likely it's delay tactics, diversionary bullshit, served with lots of heavy sauce so you don't know what the fuck you're eating.

    RIGHTS RIGHT NOW

    No Excuses. We don't have time for this shit. We have our weddings to attend and we have to get to the church on time.




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    Nov 07, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
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    blackhawksfan saidI think a number of posters are seeing this wrong. It is a VICTORY and shows we finally have majority support. And what this is doing is telling the fundies to keep their hatred at home and off our laws.

    Equal marriage 4

    Bigots 32 (but they are now the losers)

    CONGRATS to all the hard workers in MA, ME, MN and WA!!!

    mplsmike, that is great news!


    No, sorry, we don't see it wrong. The sauce doesn't fool us. We see it for the tripe it is.

    When did citizen voting ever decide interracial marriage for the country (see meninlove's post above). How about civil rights for African Americans? How about Women's Suffrage?

    This is nothing but a scorecard at best, more likely it's delay tactics, diversionary bullshit, served with lots of heavy sauce so you don't know what the fuck you're eating.

    RIGHTS RIGHT NOW

    No Excuses. We don't have time for this shit. We have our weddings to attend and we have to get to the church on time.




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    You just hit the nail on the head. Being a philisophical "Malcolm Q" myself, I recognize the deeper truth to what you are saying. Part of me feels celebratory that people are finally snapping out of it, but the hard-nugget core of my humanity is asking, "Why the f*** are we STILL letting the majority dictate the direction of this discussion?!?!"
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    Nov 07, 2012 8:09 PM GMT
    Both sides of this are right! The "cynics" in this instance are right that we should NOT have to be going around hat-in-hand for our Constitutional rights. Before the Lawrence decision, why not 50 state referenda defining a "household"? "One Man, One Woman, All the Kids They Want. Because Jeebus, duh!"

    This was not a game of our own making.

    Yet the "celebrators" realize we're now proving that, strategically, we're beating the phobes at their own silly game. "WILL OF THE PEOPLE/LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE" is no longer an automatic advantage for them as of yesterday.

    No one should have to play this game. Yet we're playing it and now winning it.

    Narrow victories, sure, but narrow among an adult electorate that largely grew up around "professionals" insisting homosexuality was a classified mental illness, and then at the very least, illegal sodomy best reserved for dark corners and airport/truck stop restrooms.

    And now the phobes have to turn to the courts. The same courts that screwed up back in the 80's with Bowers but eventually got their collective Constitutional sh*t together with Lawrence. And just in time for DOMA repeal, what do you know? Among the pitiful few items they had to stand on, a spotless record on the "Will of duh People" game is no longer one of them. That's worth celebrating in my book. Now they'll want to pray for "Legislating from the bench," instead of trying to go the cheap route with the voters.

    No one should have to play this game. But once we start winning them, the phobes will just take their little ball and go the **** home.
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    Nov 07, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    mplsmike saidSince our governor is a Democrat and the State Legislature is now controlled by Democrats again, there is already talk this morning about legalizing gay marriage here in Minnesota.


    About fucking time.
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    Nov 07, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    CosmoLogic said... Being a philisophical "Malcolm Q" myself, I recognize the deeper truth to what you are saying. Part of me feels celebratory that people are finally snapping out of it, but the hard-nugget core of my humanity is asking, "Why the f*** are we STILL letting the majority dictate the direction of this discussion?!?!"


    There's nothing wrong with acknowledging those good feelings and I might not have commented without the suggestion that someone having those good feelings makes me wrong. Cause that's bullshit. I have those feelings too; I simply know not just what they mean but I can put them in context and I don't let them rule me. Great, have a drink, but then don't get drunk on it and complain that I'm sober.

    I'm just not convinced there's much substance to cheering and as fun as it might be to come out and play. As you note, we're letting them make all the rules and that's bullshit. That doesn't end their oppression of us, rather, it prolongs it.

    RIGHTS RIGHT NOW

    There's not a fuckin' justifiable reason in this God damned world to delay our human rights for another second. This is insane what they do to us.