Do other countries expect their political leaders to act like a bunch of hicks, hayseeds, rubes and bumpkins?

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    Sep 05, 2008 3:00 PM GMT
    It appears that in America a politician has to behave like he/she is some kind of hicks, hayseeds, rubes or bumpkin? ...being educated at a fine school is reason to criticise a politician.

    Is it the same in other countries?
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    Sep 05, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    NNJfitandbi saidUm, YEAH!

    Cf. Mussolini, Hitler.

    Ok those are extreme examples, if they can be called examples. ...I mean your average everyday politician running for office ...including the top office. Not megalomaniac, homicidal, certifiable nut-jobs.
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    Watch "Idiocracy".
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    The answer is Yes and The Hicks are the ones that vote for them so what do you expect?
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    Well, you're so right. Somehow the country got through the ordeals of poor Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Huge mistakes - both of them.
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    I'm pretty sure it's written somewhere that you have to at least be abysmally stupid in order to become President of Mexico. Giving up all moral integrity to be able to adapt into a inherently corrupt system has to be there somewhere, too.

    I exaggerate, but "one of the people" is a term used by every political candidate when campaigning. The last election was almost won (or won, depending on who you're talking to) by Andres Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) a guy who pretty much based his campaign on the fact that he came from "el pueblo" (meaning the common folk, not the town).
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidWell, you're so right. Somehow the country got through the ordeals of poor Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Huge mistakes - both of them.

    Another one of my bumper stickers...

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    Sep 05, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    There has always been an underlying suspicion of "intellectuals" in the US. Good ol' boys, "real men" (especially those who were in the military) seem to be appreciated. The US used to nominate and elect effective leaders, but most people with any brains and ambition stay away from politics and go into something more lucrative like corporate law, private equity or hedge funds. The pay is a lot better and you don't have your private life splashed over the media 24 hours a day. I mean seriously would you want to run for President, then actually get the job? Have you ever noticed how much the Presidents age in just a few years? Really scary.
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidThere has always been an underlying suspicion of "intellectuals" in the US. Good ol' boys, "real men" (especially those who were in the military) seem to be appreciated. The US used to nominate and elect effective leaders, but most people with any brains and ambition stay away from politics and go into something more lucrative like corporate law, private equity or hedge funds. The pay is a lot better and you don't have your private life splashed over the media 24 hours a day. I mean seriously would you want to run for President, then actually get the job? Have you ever noticed how much the Presidents age in just a few years? Really scary.

    Funny, I thought I asked about other countries, not for another screed on the US. What about Canuckistan?
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    Sep 05, 2008 4:39 PM GMT
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    SurrealLife saidThere has always been an underlying suspicion of "intellectuals" in the US. Good ol' boys, "real men" (especially those who were in the military) seem to be appreciated. The US used to nominate and elect effective leaders, but most people with any brains and ambition stay away from politics and go into something more lucrative like corporate law, private equity or hedge funds. The pay is a lot better and you don't have your private life splashed over the media 24 hours a day. I mean seriously would you want to run for President, then actually get the job? Have you ever noticed how much the Presidents age in just a few years? Really scary.

    Funny, I thought I asked about other countries, not for another screed on the US. What about Canuckistan?


    Yes I was responding to your contention that the USA always picks bumpkins, hayseeds, etc.. In Canada we have for the most part done a pretty decent job. Of course almost all of them have been lawyers, and our longest serving Prime Minister used to talk to his dead mother (or was it his dead dog I always get those confused), but overall they are intelligent, well-educated and capable. One of them (Pearson) won a Nobel peace prize, while another (Trudeau) was very progressive for his time. He had homosexuality legalized in 1968 which was ahead of most countries. I personally disagreed with some of his policies, but I would never say he was stupid or lacked charisma. Just the opposite.

    Britain also seems to have done a good job overall. Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher were capable. The "Iron Lady" though could have used some sensitivity training! icon_lol.gif The present one is struggling a bit, but I think part of his problem is he is leading a party that has been in power too long.

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    Sep 05, 2008 5:21 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidWell, you're so right. Somehow the country got through the ordeals of poor Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Huge mistakes - both of them.

    Another one of my bumper stickers...

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    Yup! And Bill can thank Hillary's plan to Federalize the Health Care System. The voters reaction to her fascist http://www.banned-books.com/truth-seeker/1994archive/121_3/ts213l.html attempt resulted in the GOP take over of Congress. The Republicans took over and the Economy was left alone while the Republicans wasted the government's time on the Monica Lewinski Scandal; leaving capitalism to run along smoothly. If Hillary had succeeded to Federalize the Health Care System then any surplus created by the internet boom of the 90's would have disappeared.

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    Sep 05, 2008 5:40 PM GMT
    Our political leaders just have to go skinny dipping with a comedian:

    Rick Mercer: Skinny Dip with Bob Rae


    (last 20 seconds of the video)
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    Sep 05, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    I think we're seeing the birth of a politician. Run, aqua, run.
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    Sep 05, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidWell, you're so right. Somehow the country got through the ordeals of poor Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Huge mistakes - both of them.

    Another one of my bumper stickers...

    democrats_surplus.gif


    Yup! And Bill can thank Hillary's plan to Federalize the Health Care System. The voters reaction to her fascist http://www.banned-books.com/truth-seeker/1994archive/121_3/ts213l.html attempt resulted in the GOP take over of Congress. The Republicans took over and the Economy was left alone while the Republicans wasted the government's time on the Monica Lewinski Scandal; leaving capitalism to run along smoothly. If Hillary had succeeded to Federalize the Health Care System then any surplus created by the internet boom of the 90's would have disappeared.



    Canada has had budget surpluses for over 10 years with government funded health care. US priorities are different. A large military is a very expensive proposition, especially when military technology keeps changing in leaps and bounds, and never seems to get cheaper.
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:04 PM GMT




    Canada has had budget surpluses for over 10 years with government funded health care. US priorities are different. A large military is a very expensive proposition, especially when military technology keeps changing in leaps and bounds, and never seems to get cheaper.[/quote]


    Yup, @ 10% of the US population and the rest of the free would not counting on you to come to the rescue (even after blaming/slamming you for everything you do) does free up your monetary resources.
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
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    Yup, @ 10% of the US population and the rest of the free would not counting on you to come to the rescue (even after blaming/slamming you for everything you do) does free up your monetary resources.


    I hear that argument alot: that the world keeps asking the US to rescue them. While that may be true in some cases, I think you'll be surprised how often countries DO NOT want the US to get involved in their business.
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    This is why McCain may have some competition from a third party:


    Old, Grizzled Third-Party Candidate May Steal Support From McCain
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:28 PM GMT
    I find it interesting that Americans want their leaders to be average, everyday people. I don't understand that. I want the leader of our country to be incredibly above average in every way.

    Sarah Palin isn't qualified to be president of the local PTA. I sure as hell wouldn't want her "a heartbeat away from the Presidency."

    John McCain is qualified, and probably the most moderate Republican in years, but we (gays and lesbians) can still do much better with Barack Obama.

    Obama impresses me as light years more intelligent than McCain or Palin... plus I like the fact some racist white Americans are terrified of him becoming Presdent.
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    Sep 05, 2008 6:46 PM GMT
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    John McCain is qualified, and probably the most moderate Republican in years, but we (gays and lesbians) can still do much better with Barack Obama.

    Obama impresses me as light years more intelligent than McCain or Palin... plus I like the fact some racist white Americans are terrified of him becoming Presdent.


    I'd be interest in knowing what Obama has don in support, not just made campaign comments about, gay people.

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    Sep 05, 2008 7:13 PM GMT
    Yup, @ 10% of the US population and the rest of the free would not counting on you to come to the rescue (even after blaming/slamming you for everything you do) does free up your monetary resources.

    I really don't think that keeping the world safe is the real reason why the US spends so much money on the military. Nice rhetoric though.

    My point is spending money on a government funded health care system does not necessarily equate to huge budget deficits. Actually Canada had huge budget deficits in the 1970s and 1980s and health care was a smaller % of the budget. We did not cut taxes, and did cut spending.

    Also, Americans have the most expensive health care system in the world, but still pay fairly high taxes. So you are getting shafted twice (so to speak).

    Canada could spend more on their military, but it would not make a hill of beans difference to fixing the problems of the world (although we could carry out our mission in Afghanistan more effectively).
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    Sep 05, 2008 7:21 PM GMT
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    Canada has had budget surpluses for over 10 years with government funded health care. US priorities are different. A large military is a very expensive proposition, especially when military technology keeps changing in leaps and bounds, and never seems to get cheaper.


    Yup, @ 10% of the US population and the rest of the free would not counting on you to come to the rescue (even after blaming/slamming you for everything you do) does free up your monetary resources.[/quote]

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    How America Act as the World's Government in the 21st Century

    ....one of the points is the we provide the services but dont get to collect taxes.
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    Sep 05, 2008 7:48 PM GMT
    You don't precisely do it for free, either.

    I'm not saying that you should, I'm just saying that it isn't pure altruistic intentions that drives the U.S. to do all the things it does outside its own territory.
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    Sep 05, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
    SurrealLife said

    Also, Americans have the most expensive health care system in the world, but still pay fairly high taxes. So you are getting shafted twice (so to speak)


    How does Canada deal with medical malpractice lawsuits? How many Billionaire Malpractice Lawyers does Canada Have?

    Is there any laws in Canada that makes it illegal to call 911 with chest pains then when you get to the Hospital feel fine and go showing at the nearby Shopping Center?

    What's the percentage of Canadians that are overweight, smoke, drive drunk, etc.

    What's the current rate of illegal immigration to Canada?
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    Sep 05, 2008 8:23 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidWell, you're so right. Somehow the country got through the ordeals of poor Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Huge mistakes - both of them.

    Another one of my bumper stickers...

    democrats_surplus.gif


    "People who brought you the surplus"....surplus of what? One million illegal Mexican immigrants? Not that I'm complaining too much. (I'm attracted to fat short dark guys.)
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    Sep 05, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
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    Caslon6000 said
    Jockbod48 saidWell, you're so right. Somehow the country got through the ordeals of poor Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Huge mistakes - both of them.

    Another one of my bumper stickers...

    democrats_surplus.gif


    "People who brought you the surplus"....surplus of what? One million illegal Mexican immigrants? Not that I'm complaining too much. (I'm attracted to fat short dark guys.)


    I hope some Mexicans who might live near you read your post.

    Oh, and the surplus was associated with the federal budget, Einstein. Kind of a big deal.