The Victory for Gay Marriage Was Bigger Than You Realized ! http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel.html

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    Nov 08, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    from Dave Weigel, CONSERVATIVE @ slate.com

    t's probably best just to list the ways in which conservatives were routed on gay marriage yesterday.

    Maine: Question 1, which legalizes gay marriage after a 2009 vote struck it down, has been approved by a 53-47 margin.

    Maryland: Question 6, which legalizes gay marriage in the state, has been approved by a 52-48 margin.
    Minnesota: Amendment 1, which would have defined "traditional marriage" in the state Constitution, has failed by a 49-51 margin.
    Washington: Referendum 74, which legalizes gay marriage, is leading by a 52-48 margin, and is expected to pass.

    Iowa: This is the victory few people were paying attention to. Republicans worked themselves raw to take the state Senate, targeting Democratic Senate Leader Mike Gronstal in his western Iowa district. Rick Santorum made nearly weekly trips to the state to stump for Republicans. The potential prize: A new vote on gay marriage, which conservatives figured they could win. But Democrats have held the state Senate. And Justice David Wiggins, one of those who affirmed gay marriage, was retained.


    New York: And this is the surprise: Democrats will take the state Senate, edging past suburban Republicans who seemed to be locked in. The National Organization for Marriage had published a three-part plan for repealing gay marriage there, starting with wins this year. They didn't get them.

    I'm at a loss to think of any recent rout this decisive for any issue group.
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    Nov 08, 2012 12:36 AM GMT
    JockTheVote saidfrom Dave Weigel, CONSERVATIVE @ slate.com

    t's probably best just to list the ways in which conservatives were routed on gay marriage yesterday.

    Maine: Question 1, which legalizes gay marriage after a 2009 vote struck it down, has been approved by a 53-47 margin.

    Maryland: Question 6, which legalizes gay marriage in the state, has been approved by a 52-48 margin.
    Minnesota: Amendment 1, which would have defined "traditional marriage" in the state Constitution, has failed by a 49-51 margin.
    Washington: Referendum 74, which legalizes gay marriage, is leading by a 52-48 margin, and is expected to pass.

    Iowa: This is the victory few people were paying attention to. Republicans worked themselves raw to take the state Senate, targeting Democratic Senate Leader Mike Gronstal in his western Iowa district. Rick Santorum made nearly weekly trips to the state to stump for Republicans. The potential prize: A new vote on gay marriage, which conservatives figured they could win. But Democrats have held the state Senate. And Justice David Wiggins, one of those who affirmed gay marriage, was retained.


    New York: And this is the surprise: Democrats will take the state Senate, edging past suburban Republicans who seemed to be locked in. The National Organization for Marriage had published a three-part plan for repealing gay marriage there, starting with wins this year. They didn't get them.

    I'm at a loss to think of any recent rout this decisive for any issue group.




    The tide has turned.
    A majority of Americans support equality for gay Americans - and now instead of hating on gays being a political plus for politicians - supporting gay rights is a plus politically.

    After decades of being the target of GOP hate mongering - it feels great to have a majority of Americans on our side.

    Suck it, Repubs!
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  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 08, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    I wonder how much of an impact did Biden and Obama's public pronouncement in support of gay marriage this summer had in sustaining this? These favorable numbers are equal to polling over the last two years.
  • KissTheSky

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    Nov 08, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    I'm so happy to see hateful conservative bigots being kicked in the ass all over our country. Keep the humiliating electoral defeats coming!
  • Webster666

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    Nov 08, 2012 2:19 AM GMT
    And, the U.S. Supreme Court has to be aware of the national trend towards gay marriage and gay equal rights, as they consider the DOMA and California Proposition 8 cases.
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    Nov 08, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    I dont know how many Black pundits/celebrities/party leaders I have heard refer to it now as a 'civil rights' issue (as it should be) and imploring the black community to get on board with the struggle. We saw the fruit of that with Maryland last night!
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    Nov 08, 2012 12:44 PM GMT
    TM_KeyWest saidI dont know how many Black pundits/celebrities/party leaders I have heard refer to it now as a 'civil rights' issue (as it should be) and imploring the black community to get on board with the struggle. We saw the fruit of that with Maryland last night!


    Very true. There were black ministers openly feuding with other black ministers about getting on board (which just doesn't happen in public like it did this year). Another example of how cultures can change when you have leaders that are willing to make splashes in the water. A great night for inclusion.
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    Nov 08, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
    JockTheVote saidfrom Dave Weigel, CONSERVATIVE @ slate.com

    t's probably best just to list the ways in which conservatives were routed on gay marriage yesterday.

    Maine: Question 1, which legalizes gay marriage after a 2009 vote struck it down, has been approved by a 53-47 margin.

    Maryland: Question 6, which legalizes gay marriage in the state, has been approved by a 52-48 margin.
    Minnesota: Amendment 1, which would have defined "traditional marriage" in the state Constitution, has failed by a 49-51 margin.
    Washington: Referendum 74, which legalizes gay marriage, is leading by a 52-48 margin, and is expected to pass.

    Iowa: This is the victory few people were paying attention to. Republicans worked themselves raw to take the state Senate, targeting Democratic Senate Leader Mike Gronstal in his western Iowa district. Rick Santorum made nearly weekly trips to the state to stump for Republicans. The potential prize: A new vote on gay marriage, which conservatives figured they could win. But Democrats have held the state Senate. And Justice David Wiggins, one of those who affirmed gay marriage, was retained.


    New York: And this is the surprise: Democrats will take the state Senate, edging past suburban Republicans who seemed to be locked in. The National Organization for Marriage had published a three-part plan for repealing gay marriage there, starting with wins this year. They didn't get them.

    I'm at a loss to think of any recent rout this decisive for any issue group.


    Just to add one thing for Minnesota. Republicans have lost control of the legislature and Governor Dayton is a Democrat and a strong supporter of gay rights. There is already talk of possibly being able to pass legislation to legalize gay marriage now.
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    Nov 08, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
    I am certain even our very own RJ gay conservative rump will be cheered by this news. Won't they?
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    Nov 08, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI wonder how much of an impact did Biden and Obama's public pronouncement in support of gay marriage this summer had in sustaining this? These favorable numbers are equal to polling over the last two years.


    I think it had a big effect, and credit to Vice President Biden for pushing this issue to the front burner. A lot of voters who describe themselves as "black" or "white and working class" would have stood against marriage equality a decade ago when Bush was in office. Remember that the White House, along with the Republican-led House and Senate, was then full of politicos endorsing a constitutional ban on same sex marriage, making it seem as though our national culture, or at the very least our political representatives, stood in strong opposition to marriage equality. But with Obama and Biden announcing their personal positions on this state issue, it forced a lot of people to ask themselves why they should stand opposed. We saw similar sea changes regarding reproductive rights and other controversial issues in our country's past, and I'm glad that marriage equality is on track to secure passage in several more states.
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    Nov 08, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI am certain even our very own RJ gay conservative rump will be cheered by this news. Won't they?

    Would expect as much! Imagine a gay Dem. & Rep. get married! The drama...the make up sex! icon_eek.gif
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    Nov 08, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidI am certain even our very own RJ gay conservative rump will be cheered by this news. Won't they?

    Would expect as much! Imagine a gay Dem. & Rep. get married! The drama...the make up sex! icon_eek.gif
    That will NEVER happen in this household! trust meicon_wink.gif

    At least not as long as the GOP has the platform and values it currently does!
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    Nov 08, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidAnd, the U.S. Supreme Court has to be aware of the national trend towards gay marriage and gay equal rights, as they consider the DOMA and California Proposition 8 cases.

    And the Court does take the change in society into consideration when making decisions. I think Roberts is sensitive to the drop in esteem of the Court since the Gore/Bush case and Citizens United.
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    Nov 08, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    And now the next step in the process, which Denmark expertly crafted, is gender-neutral marriage.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/06/07/danish-parliament-approves-equal-marriage-laws-for-gay-couples

    Members of the sole house of the Folketing approved the gender-neutral marriage legislation today after an opposition amendment creating a separate system of marriage for gay couples under different terminology was rejected yesterday.

    The new law is due to come into effect on 15 June this year, b.dk reported.

    The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark, to which 80 percent of the Danish population belongs, will be able to perform marriage ceremonies under the new laws. New rites were written up by ten of the Church’s eleven bishops in a spirit of “good cooperation”, Bishop Kjeld Holm said.

    Gay couples will be able to marry in churches of their choice but priests will not be obliged to perform weddings. They would, however, need to help the couple find a priest who would marry them at the church under the new laws.

    Kim Klaus Wyon-Sergeant, an editor living in Denmark told PinkNews.co.uk: “Members of the Christian Democrats (a party that is not represented in parliament) plan to sue the state, believing that the law infringes on their freedom of religion. However experts say they dont have much of a chance since the law specifically allows ministers of the church to abstain from presiding over same-sex marriages.”

    Denmark’s current system of registered partnerships for gay couples was the first of its kind in the world when it was enacted in 1989.

    Manu Sareen, the Minister for Equality and Church and Nordic Cooperation in the coalition government of the Social Democrats, Social Liberal Party and Socialist People’s Party said of equal marriage: “It’s liberalism, it’s diversity, it’s equality, it’s tolerance and it’s so beautiful.”

    Mr Sareen announced the government’s intention to legalise gay marriages in October last year.
  • Sportsfan1

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    Nov 08, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    This is great news for same-sex marriage. Let's keep the ball rolling. Hopefully we here in California can repeal prop. 8 very soon!
  • GQjock

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    Nov 08, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    When a Civil Rights issue is passed by the ballot box it's a done deal

    The conservatives will continue to get their ass whipped at the polls if they continue to demonize us
    But step out of the Blue States and into JesusLand ? We still have targets on our backs
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    Nov 08, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidAnd, the U.S. Supreme Court has to be aware of the national trend towards gay marriage and gay equal rights, as they consider the DOMA and California Proposition 8 cases.
    Won't stop Scalia from being a jerk about it. But I imagine it will sway Kennedy to vote in support of gay rights.
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    Nov 08, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI am certain even our very own RJ gay conservative rump will be cheered by this news. Won't they?


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    Nov 08, 2012 6:55 PM GMT
    Here in Florida we are acutely aware of the influence of the ever increasing Latin population. Tough stances on immigration can really hurt a candidate.

    Latino people are generally extremely religious, very often Catholic, but they have a "live and let live" attitude which prevents them from voting for limited freedom. As WHASPs (White Heterosexual Anglo Saxon Protestants) become a smaller percentage of the voting block, they will have to rethink forcing their way of life on others. The reality is the Republican party is about money. When it stops being cost effective to continually fight against ideals that our not their own, they will finally be open to compromise.
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    Nov 08, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidAnd, the U.S. Supreme Court has to be aware of the national trend towards gay marriage and gay equal rights, as they consider the DOMA and California Proposition 8 cases.


    The Supreme Court may be aware but that doesn't mean anything. They are aware of how the country feels about the Citizen's United ruling but they are not going to bend on it.

    Those cases have to go to the Supreme Court and we won't know how it will turn out.
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    Nov 08, 2012 7:07 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidI am certain even our very own RJ gay conservative rump will be cheered by this news. Won't they?

    Would expect as much! Imagine a gay Dem. & Rep. get married! The drama...the make up sex! icon_eek.gif


    I'm dating a libertarian. UGH is all I can say.
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    Nov 08, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    It's shocking marijuana is catching up to gay marriage. May be the States reckoned if they keep us high we're less aggressive to marriage and all its rules.
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    Nov 08, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
    pharmstudent saidIt's shocking marijuana is catching up to gay marriage. May be the States reckoned if they keep us high we're less aggressive to marriage and all its rules.


    Legalizing marijuana would do nothing but good things for the economy, PLUS you can then have somewhat more control over it, and it becomes less of a fight against the drug war.

    So happy they are finally pushing this (not even for the smoking part- but because this is smart on the governments part).
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    Nov 08, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
    I honestly think this is a huge part of the momentum we are currently experiencing.

    In the same way that it is important for gay people to come out to others, it is equally important for our allies to be vocal about their support.

    When the POTUS says he supports gay marriage during an election year, it has a huge impact on how people view the issue. They begin to realize the importance of being proactive about their support.

    If not for Obama's open support, this would not be part of the democratic platform.

    This president has created history in more ways than one during his time in the White House. Hopefully we will see him do even better over the next four years.

    coolarmydude saidI wonder how much of an impact did Biden and Obama's public pronouncement in support of gay marriage this summer had in sustaining this? These favorable numbers are equal to polling over the last two years.
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    Nov 08, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
    The NY results were actually probably bad for same sex marriage as one of the GOP Senators who lost is a marriage equality supporter. NOM and other conservative groups will use that result, as well as the defeat of another marriage equality GOP Senator in the primary, to argue that if a Republican votes for same sex marriage, then they will lose. That will make it harder to win approval of marriage equality in other states, especially states where Republicans control one or more of the legislative houses (ie: most states).