What the hell happened in California?...prop 37

  • wild_sky360

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    Nov 08, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    I am stunned and suspicious that the voters of a progressive state voted against their own interests to defeat prop 37 to label GMO foods. I mean what is the down side to labeling poison in your food.....you'd rather not know? Don't remind me I'm eating my body weight each year in pesticides/ herbicides? This grassroots initiative was outspent 100 to 1 by chemical companies and major food producers, yet was polling close to a sure thing.
    Warren Buffet took no chances and dumped a lot of his major food producing equities.

    There was widespread felonious fraud on the defeat 37 side that will never be prosecuted. It makes me wonder in an age of ubiquitous voter fraud if this grassroots ballot initiative was dead regardless of the actual vote on it.

    This country continues now to stand alone in ignorance of this issue. GMO's are either labeled or outright banned throughout most of the rest of the world; even in China and Russia, and soon India where literally hundreds of thousands of farmers commit suicide annually because of Monsanto's actions there.

    Only one official full generation safety study has ever been done on these products and the pictures in this link require a warning to view.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/gmo-foods-cause-tumors-and-early-death-according-to-new-studies and these effects occurred only half way through subjects typical lifespan. They say this is the only study of it's kind, which isn't exactly true. WE are the real test subjects.

    Passage would have put the first nail in the coffin of many earth defiling farm practices and boosted sustainable organics to the forefront for even the most oblivious of consumers.

    At the very least, awareness has increased about this genocidal agenda. Educate yourself and people you care about; especially young people. Without labeling you can assume anything processed is GMO because the main ingredients are ubiquitous and almost 95% GMO in this country. They include essentially all soy, corn, wheat, canola.

    I'm very sad for the corruption that has extended to our very health now. Not content to loot the rest of the economy, if a buck can be made killing and sickening an entire nation's population, and destroying fertile farmland, the politicians are all on board....as are many companies with GOOD GUY images like Whole Foods who've lied through there teeth about this and refused to support the effort. Very very sad icon_cry.gif
  • metta

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    Nov 08, 2012 9:17 AM GMT
    5 takeaways from Prop 37's defeat

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    Nov 08, 2012 1:10 PM GMT
    I have a hobby farm and much of my own food is organic and homegrown.

    But, the anti-science bent of the "all GMO is evil" folks ranks right up there with the deniers of climate change. Maybe the electorate out there saw that.
  • metta

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    Nov 08, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    The commercials really did it in. We were doing well until the over $44 million in anti prop 37 ads. The polls prior to the election showed that we were going to lose as well. I was hoping that the polls were wrong but it looks like they came out the same. It is not over though...people are going to continue to fight for it.

    We were up against companies like Monsanto, a corporation which controls most of the seed in the entire World.
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    Nov 08, 2012 6:24 PM GMT
    This captures my feelings:


    Those three little letters say a lot, but are consumers educated enough to know what that really means?

    GMOs come in all shapes and sizes. Some are products made using GMO organisms, but do not actually contain the organism is question. Others GMO products like olive oil are a very specific substance of high purity. The olive tree might have been engineered but there are no detectable levels of engineered protein in the oil. That would require a label as well.

    The science behind GMOs was sloppy when it first introduced, and the technology was not helped when some scientist came along and dumped a pound of corn pollen containing the Bt protein on a few butterflies. Other GMOs had what we call “selection markers” which are proteins conferring resistance to general antibiotics, or herbicides. These were carried in pollen and found in nearby weeds of the same species. Not ideal, I admit.

    I am not here to defend Monsanto. I understand the perils of monoculture, herbicide usage and selling seeds to farmers that can’t be harvested and reseeded the next year (so called Terminator seeds). However, framing the entire concept of GMOs as evil because of Monsanto’s influence is frankly on the same level as homophobia, stereotyping, or racism. Misinformed and nervous consumers are being tricked into thinking they are at risk, all because of a chosen few who have dedicated their life to ridding the world of the supposed scourge of GMOs.

    I am here to tell you that the seed biotechnology companies are more altruistic than you would believe. They are responsible for feeding the world and help make it profitable to be a farmer. They employ tens of thousands of people and support the entire food infrastructure of our great country. GMOs reduce the need for fertilizer, which in turn reduces our dependence on fossil fuels (most our nitrogen fertilizer is made using natural gas). GMOs also cut down on the need for pesticides and herbicides by engineering native means of plant defense. GMOs use water more efficiently and respond to heat and drought in a less dramatic fashion which helps farmers cope with the changing climate. Our society is driving these changes and it’s only fair that we give farmers the tools they need to endure a warming environment .

    GMOs improve our health and nutrition. Third world countries benefit from increased amino acids in GMO rice that they couldn’t find elsewhere in their diets. Newly engineered tomatoes could one day help fight cancer. Don’t take my word for it, Google it and educate yourself.

    Unfortunately people associate the term GMO with dead butterflies and cancer. Who knows how this happened. Chalk it up to bad press and a healthy dose of mythology. That is why just stamping ‘Contains GMO’ on a bag of chips does more harm than good. Explaining how far plant biology has come in the past 20 years is probably beyond the scope of this article, but this will give you some idea. . . . .
    Let's increase information, awareness, and promote true sustainability with our food policies. Don’t support efforts that propagate fear just because it’s more convenient.

  • metta

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    Nov 09, 2012 12:14 AM GMT

    Prop 37 GMO Labeling Law Defeated By Corporate Dollars And Deception, Proponents Say

  • Webster666

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    Nov 09, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    I live in California.
    Sometimes our voters get things wrong, like Proposition 8, for instance.
  • wild_sky360

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    Nov 09, 2012 8:15 AM GMT
    showme saidI have a hobby farm and much of my own food is organic and homegrown.

    But, the anti-science bent of the "all GMO is evil" folks ranks right up there with the deniers of climate change. Maybe the electorate out there saw that.

    Count me in that camp of deniers; at least to the man made cause of it. All the planets in our solar system are experiencing same or worse disruptions and last I heard there are no gas powered SUV's to blame on Jupiter or Mars. Despite a decade plus of net global cooling I will admit there are some wild variations that are equivalent to those experienced a millenia ago....quite naturally and likely due to cosmic events that are culminating again in recent times.

    I've read your other posts here showme, in this thread and have to disagree. What began with great fanfare as the salvation of the overpopulated planet has morphed into the engine for potentially the complete collapse of the worldwide food system. To this day, organic still produces a higher net yield and an astronomical advantage in quality.....for a lot less $$$ and great benefit to the land. This purely monopolistic endeavor has failed without huge government subsidy and environmental cover.

    Like overuse of antibiotics in medicine, these engineered crops have relied on ever more applications of poison to control super weeds and super bugs that have devastated naive subsistence farmers and imperiled an already fragile planetary food supply.

    And this doesn't even address my original point that they are simply unfit for human or even animal consumption. It's all well and good for you and the the President's family to dine from their organic garden while accepting payola and deeming these frankenfoods good enough for the masses.

    By the way ...did you ever address my original post of what was wrong with simply labeling? We weren't even talking of banning, as much of Europe has done. One concern is it would result in severe food shortages; at least for the minority that voted for it, given the current monopoly in the US. But prop 37...poorly written or not would have been a foot in the door, and thankfully, as Metta points out it is at least an eye opener for many trying to figure out inexplicable illnesses or just trying to protect their young families from becoming a giant experiment in poison tolerance.
  • wild_sky360

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    Nov 10, 2012 5:41 AM GMT
    As indicated in my original post, it's just mystifying that people vote against their own interests so casually. Either that or massive vote fraud was involved and wouldn't surprise me.

    Here's some hope it may not be over after all, though the powers against it are among the most ruthless in business and politics:

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    Nov 10, 2012 6:20 AM GMT
    You don't believe in climate change, but you think all GMO is evil? I don't really know what to say. There are no inexplicable illnesses. If there are, do some peer reviewed studies before placing blame.
  • wild_sky360

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    Nov 10, 2012 6:55 PM GMT
    showme saidYou don't believe in climate change, but you think all GMO is evil? I don't really know what to say. There are no inexplicable illnesses. If there are, do some peer reviewed studies before placing blame.

    I don't believe in man made climate change; at least not involving CO2 as the cause. In all the data, CO2 does very closely correspond with temperature increases, but it follows, not precedes it. Perhaps this natural phenomenon either will or does wind up balancing any warming that might start up again, by promoting more terrestrial and oceanic plant life.

    In the mean time all the net warming of the previous decades has been erased by the net cooling of the past decade. That's why alarmists with an entirely unrelated agenda started calling their crisis climate change instead of global warming.

    The part I will strongly acknowledge is human caused environmental degradation, by other means, altering climate. Deforestation, and poisoning waterways surely have a climate effect. One of the biggest fears of the BP Gulf oil spill was that it would alter the gulf stream, resulting in an ice age for much of Europe.

    Ok now..."there are no inexplicable illnesses"
    I really don't know what to say to that.....at the moment. But when I have some time, addressing that whopper will at least get us back to the original topic of why anyone without a financial interest would be against labeling food and having the choice to purchase and consume it ...OR NOT>