Why do some gays have facinations with particular women?

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    Nov 08, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    You can either put this on your list of dumb questions, or you can help a man out. Why is it that some feminine and macho gay men, alike, have these pictures and fascinations with women like Marilyn Monroe, Nicki Minaj, and Lady Gaga?

    I am not all the out and about with this homo-sense but I don't think I'll ever understand this characteristic. Is it to say that these men want to be drag queens? that they feel like a girl inside? that there putting on a facade to the public? I also seen a gay guy with these (almost) pornographic shirts of women with their boobs almost completely bared. What is this all about? Maybe it's a feminine gay thing? I really don’t know but these patterns are happening everywhere and I'd like to be in "the know".

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    Nov 08, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    Many of these female icons have been outspoken in their support of gays.

    Female popular figures also can "get away with" supporting gay men, as it's hard to shame a female about her love of, well, men. Male pop figures who support gay men are often questioned about their own sexuality, or have to declare it preemptively when voicing support, thus they sound softer.

    Some men glamorize the female pop icons because they admire the glam. Most, however, regard the females' strong-in-a-man's-world voice as the source of their inspiration.

    Sure, drags like to emulate Cher, but drags are a tiny minority of the gay population who admire Cher. It's possible, however, that non-drags noticed Cher more AFTER they saw a drag show, as the drags tend to be on the vanguard of iconoclasm.

    I believe that you will soon experience these same observations. Are you feeling marginalized because you personally don't find these females iconic? You're actually in large (but mostly unglamorously inconspicuous) company. Not being into Madonna doesn't actually revoke your gay card.
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    Nov 08, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    icon_lol.gif Maybe they live vicariously through these women?? I dunno....icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 08, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidicon_lol.gif Maybe they live vicariously through these women?? I dunno....icon_confused.gif


    Or it's just human nature to appreciate what is attractive to them, doesn't necessarily mean in a sexual sense.
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    Nov 08, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidicon_lol.gif Maybe they live vicariously through these women?? I dunno....icon_confused.gif


    I agree with that theory. They also display a lot of female/masculine traits that a number of gay men can relate to. It's pretty obvious if you look at their gay fanbases.

  • Nov 08, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    Because gays tend to like beautiful things. However it's appreciation rather than desire
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    Nov 08, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidicon_lol.gif Maybe they live vicariously through these women?? I dunno....icon_confused.gif

    I'm with you on this one, BlackCat90. Pretty sure those gays would want to BE their idols, if they had the chance... albeit with their penises intact. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 08, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    i think it's more that some women fascinate men, and only out gay men are likely to admit it. a fascinating person is a fascinating person.
  • imbrad

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    Nov 09, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    It's really not that different than straight(or gay) men obsessing over sports. It's a culture that we are part of. These are things that help us relate to other people. These large social stuctures bring us pleasure on a lot of levels.
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    Nov 09, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    Run in the opposite direction. Fast. Is all I can say.
  • spacemagic

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    Nov 09, 2012 12:39 AM GMT
    An old acquaintance of mine was really into Paris Hilton. We had a bit of a falling out when I accidentally broke his life size cardboard cut out of her.
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    Nov 09, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    100% correct. It's all those gay garages that put up those pin-up calendars of women. It's the gay men that hang out at the female strip clubs. It's the gay men that buy whatever product the scantily clad women are selling.
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    Nov 09, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    People like Marilyn, Madonna, Britney, etc are all gay icons. They have supported gay men, and they represent strong female personalities that many gay men relate to because just like those icons, they deal with men.
  • kevmoran

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    Nov 09, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
    I think it's also a social thing. People like to fit in, no matter how intelligent or mature you think you are. So if you can find some common ground with the people you want to befriend, you run with it.
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    Nov 09, 2012 2:29 AM GMT
    They also identify with the successful female stars who make it as a 'minority' in a straight male dominated world.

    Or who were victims of said straight male dominated world.
  • reptile18

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    Nov 09, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    I personally like Minaj, Gaga, etc from an artistic standpoint. I recognize that they are brilliant, creative people who can express themselves through their work in a in-your-face manner. They're especially interesting to me because they're women; in a very heavily heterosexual male dominated society, these women are able to turn heads NOT using just their sexuality. They might show a bit of skin to get the initial attention, but there is so much to their work underneath. It's empowering to watch what they do. They have so much courage and willpower to be able to display their true selves to the world and open their work for the the world to criticize. But they just brush that criticism and negativity away and just keep going. They inspire people to love themselves and not force themselves into pre-cut societal molds for what people are supposed to be and what people are supposed to do. Cuz haters are gonna hate, but why let them dictate what you do or don't do.

    Just my honest opinion...
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    Nov 09, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    bhp91126 saidThey also identify with the successful female stars who make it as a 'minority' in a straight male dominated world.

    Or who were victims of said straight male dominated world.


    Damn, someone beat me to that point.
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    Nov 09, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    Confident women are socialized to still be able to express themselves and explore their emotions. Confident men are not socialized to express themselves to the same degrees of freedom nor to explore the depth of their emotions. Many, if not most, gay guys more readily identify with the emotions and needs of women (for different reasons).

    Therefore, you get a lot of gay guys with depth of emotion and a need for expression who can fully identify with their inner Nicki Minaj/Brtiney versus their inner Chris Meloni/Brad Pitt (both who are huge pro gay rights advocates)
  • kevmoran

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    Nov 09, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
    bhp91126 saidThey also identify with the successful female stars who make it as a 'minority' in a straight male dominated world.

    Or who were victims of said straight male dominated world.

    In pop? Not really, women have always dominated pop, acting, modeling, and all the things that these girls do. And we aren't really following the female CEOs.
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    Nov 09, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    kevmoran said
    bhp91126 saidThey also identify with the successful female stars who make it as a 'minority' in a straight male dominated world.

    Or who were victims of said straight male dominated world.

    In pop? Not really, women have always dominated pop, acting, modeling, and all the things that these girls do. And we aren't really following the female CEOs.

    icon_biggrin.gif all a question of perspective.

    I was around before Madonna was big. Female stars bM were rare, superstars even rarer. Who was around in the 70s and 80s? Donna Summer, Diana Ross, and then there is nothing.

    It has been less than 20 years that women can open a big movie, before that was only men (or Liz Taylor) Marilyn Monroe never carried a movie by herself, she always had bankable co-stars or made movies for little money. And became such an icon only after her death.

    Models as stars only started in the 70s and 80s and exploded briefly in the early 90s with the crop of "supermodels".
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    Nov 19, 2012 6:08 AM GMT
    Ok you guys I understand a bit more than previously. THANKS A BUNCH YOU GUYS. Never saw them as icns before and I never saw it through other lenses. thanskk for sheding some light to the situation. icon_smile.gif
  • gr8whiteway

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    Nov 19, 2012 6:24 AM GMT
    Liza Minnelli is asked why she has such a large gay fan base.

    A large part of your audiences are always gay men, especially in your New York/New Jersey performances (with a large amount of them being able to sing along with every word of "Liza With A Z"). Do you know why so many gay men feel such an affinity for you?

    I love that! Well, I usually give a real flip answer like "they have good taste" (LOL). I think that the part of me that's the rebel, that went up against all odds, I think we relate to each other that way. My fight was to win my own status, and I think that's their fight also.